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Adam LongWalker wrote:

Since when do we cite sources here on Dakka?
Kanluwen wrote:

By the way, you pretty much made my point for me with "GW is going to sell to the hardcore regardless".
The "hardcore" are the ones who also come online and loudly shout for all to hear that they are "boycotting GW!". Nobody else actually cares what they do or don't do.

Seems like this is the ordinary thing to do when making comments that seemed to be unable to back up. Talk the big talk if you can but back it up with actual data. Many of us do make at least the attempt to providing data for discussion to back up what has been stated.

I'm calling bull on this statement.

The only time we really see individuals "cite their source" is when they have the site already pulled up or have seen someone else do all the work for them and they have a handy-dandy bookmark of it.

Something like a Url to a site or information or marketing data of some sort will help you in your comment.

And quite often, those URLs have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

If not then eh it seems that those people whom are against you are right. All talk. No facts.

Yes, clearly--despite them proving no evidence either?

I think you are mistaking Dakka with an academic paper.

Kanluwen wrote:The only time we really see individuals "cite their source" is when they have the site already pulled up or have seen someone else do all the work for them and they have a handy-dandy bookmark of it...... And quite often, those URLs have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Heeeey! You asked me for a source earlier and I went and searched for one that was relevant to the topic

SilverMK2 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The only time we really see individuals "cite their source" is when they have the site already pulled up or have seen someone else do all the work for them and they have a handy-dandy bookmark of it...... And quite often, those URLs have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Heeeey! You asked me for a source earlier and I went and searched for one that was relevant to the topic

Yeah, but you did that to make me look ridiculous Silver. You don't count.

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah, but you did that to make me look ridiculous Silver. You don't count.

And I suppose making you look ridiculous is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel... with a nuke...

Yeah, well at least I don't crash tanks into buildings Silver!

Moving back to the topic though...
I wonder how long it will take for them to get their house in order?

That's a good question. Personally I think if GW wanted to truly fix the issues, they would have done so by now. Given Finecast was initially developed as a cost cutting measure, GW are probably looking for a fix to the finecast issues that has minimal financial impact. I’m basing this given that GW’s existing actions have all been consumer side, low financial impact measures:

• Lowered company standards of ‘acceptable’ casts.
• Creation of liquid greenstuff/finecast repair kits (alongside a push to get consumer to fix miscasts)
• Implementation of unboxing/checking finecast store policy.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Cite a source on them marketing Finecast as "the best product since women were invented".

Satirical paraphrasing of the GW release statements.

For example:

GW Finecast pre-release article wrote:There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world, and we're proud and very excited for you all to see this for yourselves.

From here.

Emphasis mine - and it is probably because most other companies have some form of QC and robust production techniques

And that statement is quite true. No body turns out rubbish like that in 28 mil heroic scale.

I think this is more miss leading "Andy Hall: Last week we announced something very special - so special in fact that it's nothing less than a new era in wargaming, as we launch the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen. - Citadel Finecast.

By the way anyone notice the wolf heads look like sheep heads?.

loki old fart wrote: I think this is more miss leading "Andy Hall: Last week we announced something very special - so special in fact that it's nothing less than a new era in wargaming, as we launch the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen. - Citadel Finecast.

Those miniatures are among the finest quality the world has ever seen. It's the resin copies up for sale that are having all the problems.

Breotan wrote:

loki old fart wrote: I think this is more miss leading "Andy Hall: Last week we announced something very special - so special in fact that it's nothing less than a new era in wargaming, as we launch the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen. - Citadel Finecast.

Those miniatures are among the finest quality the world has ever seen. It's the resin copies up for sale that are having all the problems.

I find it really sad when the knock-off's are higher quality then the origional product. =o[

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: I find it really sad when the knock-off's are higher quality then the origional product. =o[

I wonder how many times those Chinese recasters had to return their product in order to get a workable-enough model to replicate.

Absolutionis wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: I find it really sad when the knock-off's are higher quality then the origional product. =o[

I wonder how many times those Chinese recasters had to return their product in order to get a workable-enough model to replicate.

=o] words for the word god

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:I find it really sad when the knock-off's are higher quality then the origional product. =o[

It just means that the re-casters are more interested in making a good quality copy than GW is at making a good quality original.

Bought an Eldar Avatar in Finecast... one foot was missing and I had to convert the whole sword because it was messed up beyond repair.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

It just means that the re-casters are more interested in making a good quality copy than GW is at making a good quality original.

Ha! That thought entertains me. Soon the only way to tell if a model is hooky is if it is of higher quality than the official stuff.

Absolutionis wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: I find it really sad when the knock-off's are higher quality then the origional product. =o[

I wonder how many times those Chinese recasters had to return their product in order to get a workable-enough model to replicate.

Bad Absolutionis! BAD! You are not supposed to actually make me burst out laughing in the middle of my open space office! Now people are looking at me funny!

Kanluwen wrote:By the way:
Cite a source on them marketing Finecast as "the best product since women were invented".

Edit: Doh. I must remember to read to the end of the thread before replying..

http://lyris.games-workshop.com/t/80298/7209755/4545/0/

Andy Hall: Last week we announced something very special - so special in fact that it's nothing less than a new era in wargaming, as we launch the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen - Citadel Finecast.

Wow, that's quite a statement isn't it? Nonetheless, it is very true. On the 28th of May we launch Citadel Finecast, miniatures of such exquisite detail that they are the closest representation of the sculptors' original that we have ever been able to make. Until you hold one in your hand and see it for yourself, it's hard to describe just how detailed they are.

Aspiring Champion wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:By the way:
Cite a source on them marketing Finecast as "the best product since women were invented".

Edit: Doh. I must remember to read to the end of the thread before replying..

http://lyris.games-workshop.com/t/80298/7209755/4545/0/

Andy Hall: Last week we announced something very special - so special in fact that it's nothing less than a new era in wargaming, as we launch the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen - Citadel Finecast.

Wow, that's quite a statement isn't it? Nonetheless, it is very true. On the 28th of May we launch Citadel Finecast, miniatures of such exquisite detail that they are the closest representation of the sculptors' original that we have ever been able to make. Until you hold one in your hand and see it for yourself, it's hard to describe just how detailed they are.

But just a few lines below, this is written:

Citadel Finecast is the next step in that process. There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world

I think they mean scale as in volume, not 28 mm, so that particular statement could very well be correct.

Inanimate wrote:
But just a few lines below, this is written:

Citadel Finecast is the next step in that process. There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world

I think they mean scale as in volume, not 28 mm, so that particular statement could very well be correct.

Except that its not because as it has been proven in this very thread, Failcrap detail level and their previous metal minis detail level are so similar that for all intents and purposes they are undistinguishable...

A friend of mine just bought a bunch of the Eldar Aspect Warriors in Finecast and they are pretty terrible. Tabards that aren't fully formed on Banshees, bent swords, bubbles and gaps on Firedragons. He is not pleased and I don't think he'll be buying more than what he's already got.

Seeing the problems that Finecrap has had, I will never purchase a figure made from this substandard material. Fortunantly I play Necrons and can make what I need from the plastic kits available, using the Lychguard box set for my Royal Courts. If, however, there are models in the second wave that are in Finecrap (those being the IC's), I will be making them out of the plastic kits or not using them at all.

Zathras wrote:Seeing the problems that Finecrap has had, I will never purchase...

Everything after this point in your post got tossed into the tl/dr pile. But please, don't let that stop you from hopping on the bandwagon.

Zathras wrote:I will never purchase a figure made from this substandard material.

Technically most of the problems aren't from the material itself, it's how the models are being cast that's causing all these problems.

Breotan wrote:But please, don't let that stop you from hopping on the bandwagon.

Is it possible to not like Finecast and decide you're not going to buy it without "hopping on the bandwagon"? Somehow I don't think it is...

Breotan wrote:

Zathras wrote:Seeing the problems that Finecrap has had, I will never purchase...

Everything after this point in your post got tossed into the tl/dr pile. But please, don't let that stop you from hopping on the bandwagon.

So not spending my hard earned cash on flawed models is jumping on the band wagon?

Maybe you think it's ok to waste time fixing flawed figures that shouldn't have been allowed to leave the factory in the first place but I don't. I have better things to do with my hobby time.

I think GW will find that it is more than just bubbles and thin resin

Zathras wrote:Maybe you think it's ok to waste time fixing flawed figures that shouldn't have been allowed to leave the factory in the first place but I don't. I have better things to do with my hobby time.

Fixing stuff should be part of your hobby time, it helps us improve.
GW is helping with making hobby tools and liquid gs

You know LunaHound, I know a few ways you could improve...your FACE.

Just kidding. lol

Zathras wrote:So not spending my hard earned cash on flawed models is jumping on the band wagon?

Yeah, I don't get that. I don't think it's "jumping on the bandwagon" when you've had a good 9-10 months worth of photos and reviews to take in and make an informed decision with. Well in any case it beats gambling all your money away, if you ask me (like I've done so far, so I speak from experience!).

Sidstyler wrote:You know LunaHound, I know a few ways you could improve...your FACE.

Just kidding. lol

Hmm k....
Yooo dont like finecast dont buy GW man no ones pointin a gun at yo face~

YooooooooOOoOOoooOooo~

D: Oh god I regret everything.

So anyway, I never actually got to see that many of the new Finecast releases this weekend. I think the only one my store had was Arjac Rockfist, just one, and after a quick glance at the model (like no more than three seconds) I had already noticed that the edge of his left shoulder pad was obliterated by bubbles. Didn't feel much like looking at the rest of it at that point so I put it back.

Gravity wrote:Bought an Eldar Avatar in Finecast... one foot was missing and I had to convert the whole sword because it was messed up beyond repair.

So.....

Why didn't you ask for a replacement/get a refund then?

Grimtuff wrote:

Gravity wrote:Bought an Eldar Avatar in Finecast... one foot was missing and I had to convert the whole sword because it was messed up beyond repair.

So.....

Why didn't you ask for a replacement/get a refund then?

Maybe he needed it for a game,
maybe the store didnt have another one
maybe the store have one but just as bad
maybe the avatar isnt multipiece so its not like they can find one with a proper foot and switcharoo
maybe the guy didnt want to wait for a week for replacement.

Just maybe.