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You're a crazy man doosa. Crazy I say.

Makes far to much sense.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Actually, most of us said it was a pile of gak, but the morons and profiteers were going to buy it.

I am neither a moron nor a profiteer.

Choose your words more carefully.

No, you're an addict, you have a compulsion, so you get off on grounds of diminished responsibility.

I think the only thing more crazy would be to release a bunch of high-detail plastic sculpts and make that a limited... oh wait...

 d-usa wrote:
Crazy "maybe they actually have a plan" theory:

Make a new kit, but you don't know if it will actually sell. So you make a limited resin release to see if people are interested. If the demand is there you go back and actually tool the molds for a non-limited plastic release.

Too much "that would make sense" for GW?

You forgot

"Slap a £90 price tag on it"

 azreal13 wrote:
so you get off on grounds of diminished responsibility.

"Diminished responsibility". I like it. It's got a ring to it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Actually, most of us said it was a pile of gak, but the morons and profiteers were going to buy it.

I am neither a moron nor a profiteer.

Choose your words more carefully.

Sorry, I'll add in financial masochists and people with poor taste in there

Oh and I looked up polystone, its dirt cheap because its brittle as hell and used for 3D printers, you got double gouged. I have a few statues in polystone and they shatter easily. Good luck!

You spend a lot of time shattering your statues?

Was totally going to buy it if I had not just bought two knights....my poor budget cant keep up right now.

 pretre wrote:

Agreed. I would have bought one f I could.

Which is precisely why making it limited was so idiotic.

Now, I think its ridiculously overpriced personally, and I also think some deadzone scenery, a few canon barrels and sundries from the bits box and some led lights will make a nicer model anyway, but the model itself IS very 40K, and so people will want to buy it. Nothing at all wrong with that, apart from GW not wanting everyone who wants one to get one. Because that is just utterly insane.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I have to wonder how many of these will be sitting in GW stores down here 6 months from now. Of the 1,000 boxes I can't imagine the various national webstores were allotted more than three quarters of the total stock.

A grand total of zero. As no GW stores or national webstores were alotted any: This has been mail order only.

Though on the bright side the craters which I think look pretty good (not too many dead cadians) seem to be general general release and proper plastic.

 ironicsilence wrote:
i wonder out of the 1000 people that bought it, how many bought it to actually use it vs resale

And that is why "Limited Edition" is bollocks, because when these things sell out it isn't because it's popular, it's because parasites buy a big chunk of them up and then try to sell them on for triple the retail price(and I have no qualms about using that word, people who buy up ltd editions expressly for the purpose of jacking up the price and selling it on are as bad as high frequency commodity traders; they make things more expensive for ordinary people and enrich themselves without adding any value to society). Of course, it wouldn't be an issue if companies operated on the basis of sustainable long-term profit rather than focusing entirely on the next quarterly report and as a result basing their business on lurching from one artificially inflated microbubble to the next.

 Azazelx wrote:
You spend a lot of time shattering your statues?

Only the 2 the cat got to.

 Yodhrin wrote:
...they make things more expensive for ordinary people and enrich themselves without adding any value to society).....

Although it's worth pointing out that this only works because people are willing to pay that higher price.

The same has been pointed out about ticket scalping - if people just stopped paying more than the original price, scalpers would be out of business.

You can't stop people from buying stuff from scalpers any more than you can stop people scalping. With gig tickets that's one thing - there's a logical reason for the scarcity.

 Bull0 wrote:
You can't stop people from buying stuff from scalpers any more than you can stop people scalping. With gig tickets that's one thing - there's a logical reason for the scarcity.

Yeah. The same reason there is with Void Shield Generators: Diminishing Returns on the man-hours of the musicians/pour-resin-into-the-mould-people. Given, the former are often millionaires and the latter minimum-wage grunts, but keeping supplies artificially low is still a good way to make the most of labour-intensive product/services.

Works the same with Emma Bridgewater cups and plates, hand-made Swiss watches, etc.., Stuff you cannot automatise as you can with plastic/finecast, is going to be better of at low quantities at a premium price.

See Kingdom Death Resins, etc..,

Wasn't thinking so much man-hours of the musicians as free seats available for bums. Not artificial. And your model of mould-pouring time doesn't really hold up because we know GW are capable of manufacturing model kits much like this one on a massive scale - didn't have to be resin, etc. It's totally artificial. I'm also not terribly convinced this is a productive area of discussion.

 Bull0 wrote:
Wasn't thinking so much man-hours of the musicians as free seats available for bums. Not artificial. And your model of mould-pouring time doesn't really hold up because we know GW are capable of manufacturing model kits much like this one on a massive scale - didn't have to be resin, etc. It's totally artificial. I'm also not terribly convinced this is a productive area of discussion.

Well, the musicians could play an infinite number of gigs in the same venue, so seats would not be a problem (not any more than soft hand-cast resin mould wearing out after a while).

And yes, GW has produced plastic terrain, which is a different production method more suitable to high volumes of sales. Tempestus Firebase. Fortress of Redemption. Etc.....

Maybe these didn't sell enough to justify the plastic-approach, so they piloted something different?

Vote with your wallet and buy a Fortress of Redemption or two, if that is the way you want GW to make terrain.

Guess GW has now learned that 1000 customers worldwide are enough to keep the company running.

Well, they did release unlimited & plastic & (relatively) cheap blast craters.

Guess what?

Nobody cares.......

I wonder if they've sold 1.000 of those by now? Or are they struggling, cause they just fall into the same old "I can always buy that later" terrain-hole....

Will GW turn the VSG into plastic? Or will they take the plastic craters off and re-release them as LE resin?

 azreal13 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Well, after all that I was too late anyway, I thought it was due at midnight !

This is by no means a criticism, of you or anyone else, but it does seem to be taking a lot of people a long time to get out of the old release pattern way of thinking, ie midnight pre orders and monthly waves.

Its a brave new world people!

Yep, I will get there eventually !
No criticism of you or anyone else in particular, but its a bit sad how far people take their irrational hatred of GW, so many underhanded remarks and sly name calling in this thread just because some of us like this scenery and want to buy them.
It never ceases to amuses me how many people in this place hold a grudge and take it to the extreme in almost every GW thread.

Geez, totally missed this release lol.

Hmm, not impressed with the void generator much. Detailing is nice on it but its very "square" and not particularly inspired.
I've seen better kitbashed ones in the P&M section.

Even less impressed with the craters. Whilst the fact that they are craters precludes doing anything spectacular with them, theres lots of other potential scenery kits that could have been worked on.

Ho hum.

Aside from being tacked onto Titans, what are the generators supposed to do on the table?

Craters need to be snatched up ASAP from your local stores. The bag is even more of a deal now then when it came out.

@Grot

The VSG has rules in Stronghold Assault, IIRC it effectively means all units (models?) that are within 12" of the model get an additional AV12 shield that any incoming fire from outside 12" has to defeat before the shot is resolved against the target. You can take multiples and overlap the bubbles too. Don't hold me to that though, I've only just quickly flipped through a copy.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Agreed. I would have bought one f I could.

Which is precisely why making it limited was so idiotic.

Now, I think its ridiculously overpriced personally, and I also think some deadzone scenery, a few canon barrels and sundries from the bits box and some led lights will make a nicer model anyway, but the model itself IS very 40K, and so people will want to buy it. Nothing at all wrong with that, apart from GW not wanting everyone who wants one to get one. Because that is just utterly insane.

Guys, guys, guys.... this sort of release isn't at all about putting models in the hands of gamers. It's about 'we sold out of our new product, priced at $100 per unit, in 7 minutes." It's a dot-point for marketing and chest-beating purposes.

 Rayvon wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Well, after all that I was too late anyway, I thought it was due at midnight !

This is by no means a criticism, of you or anyone else, but it does seem to be taking a lot of people a long time to get out of the old release pattern way of thinking, ie midnight pre orders and monthly waves.

Its a brave new world people!

Yep, I will get there eventually !
No criticism of you or anyone else in particular, but its a bit sad how far people take their irrational hatred of GW, so many underhanded remarks and sly name calling in this thread just because some of us like this scenery and want to buy them.
It never ceases to amuses me how many people in this place hold a grudge and take it to the extreme in almost every GW thread.

I don't think people are taking their grudges to the extreme, I think it's more a case of GW not doing anything to try and win back customer goodwill and being too big to ingnore within the hobby. They do something bad and people's opinion of them lowers, then instead of doing something good to raise it they just sue someone who doesn't deserve it and opinion lowers again. It creates a situation where people don't even think about it, they aren't intentionally trying to hate on GW or anything, they are just jaded to the point where they honestly don't expect anything good from GW.

And I'll grant you that sometimes it is but for the most part I would not say it is irrational.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
So hard resin.. being sold through GW.
Could that have to do with the rumour FW will be available on the revamped GW site? Could lines of communication be getting crossed and it's a FW piece?
I can't really think of a better explanation unless GW are removing the distinction between GW actual and FW and throwing everything in together.

So, the Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith walls released for LOTR years and years ago were a harbinger of FW/GW blurring the lines?
Or maybe the weird little resin chapel bit with a fake stained glass thing was?

Why are you getting so easily offended and trying to come off as such a hard ass over someone speculating something?

 Bull0 wrote:
You can't stop people from buying stuff from scalpers any more than you can stop people scalping. With gig tickets that's one thing - there's a logical reason for the scarcity.

I wasn't talking about stopping people from buying from scalpers. I was talking about people stopping themselves from buying from scalpers.

But ultimately, it doesn't really make a difference whether these sold out to scalpers or to regular customers. The speed with which they sold out suggests that there would have been far more than a thousand people trying to buy them... So if you didn't buy one the moment it went up on the website, you weren't going to get one anyway. That fact that some guy on eBay is selling one that winds up going for far more than the retail price because some people are willing to pay that much doesn't really change that.

Relapse wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
So hard resin.. being sold through GW.
Could that have to do with the rumour FW will be available on the revamped GW site? Could lines of communication be getting crossed and it's a FW piece?
I can't really think of a better explanation unless GW are removing the distinction between GW actual and FW and throwing everything in together.

So, the Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith walls released for LOTR years and years ago were a harbinger of FW/GW blurring the lines?
Or maybe the weird little resin chapel bit with a fake stained glass thing was?

Why are you getting so easily offended and trying to come off as such a hard ass over someone speculating something?

He's not offended, Kan just leans a bit towards the "intense" end of the spectrum, toy soldiers is srs bznz.

 insaniak wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
...they make things more expensive for ordinary people and enrich themselves without adding any value to society).....

Although it's worth pointing out that this only works because people are willing to pay that higher price.

The same has been pointed out about ticket scalping - if people just stopped paying more than the original price, scalpers would be out of business.

And the situation wouldn't arise in the first place if companies didn't artificially limit supply in order to create the illusion of quality or exclusivity. The amount of tickets available to any particular live event is limited by the capacity of the venue, there's not much the organisers can do to prevent scalping beyond place reasonable limits on the number of tickets any one individual can purchase, and so in that case the balance of responsibility would tip towards those willing to pay the scalpers prices for driving up the cost, and then to the scalpers themselves for inflating the price without adding value. There is no functional limit on the number of these models GW could have produced, beyond the eventual final failure of the master model preventing the creation of any more moulds - putting them up on their site as direct sale cast-to-order or with a small stock would cost them virtually nothing and create a modest but continuing stream of income(and don't anyone try this "not worth their time" rubbish, because I just described Forgeworld and they're one of the few divisions inside GW that's actually growing). Given that, the blame lies first on GW for deliberately creating the circumstances for resellers to exploit, then the resellers again for increasing cost without adding value, and only last with those who pay the inflated price, because the collaboration, unknowing thought it may be, between GW and the resellers take away any options beyond pay up or don't.

You might look at someone who sees a trend starting, buys up all the stock of the subject of that trend they can find then resells it at 200% an entrepreneur, I think they're a vile parasite.

 insaniak wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
You can't stop people from buying stuff from scalpers any more than you can stop people scalping. With gig tickets that's one thing - there's a logical reason for the scarcity.

I wasn't talking about stopping people from buying from scalpers. I was talking about people stopping themselves from buying from scalpers.

But ultimately, it doesn't really make a difference whether these sold out to scalpers or to regular customers. The speed with which they sold out suggests that there would have been far more than a thousand people trying to buy them... So if you didn't buy one the moment it went up on the website, you weren't going to get one anyway. That fact that some guy on eBay is selling one that winds up going for far more than the retail price because some people are willing to pay that much doesn't really change that.

It doesn't change the literal fact that those events happened, no, but the fact those events happened in no way refutes the argument that they were not necessary outcomes, and that those who created and exploited the conditions which led to those outcomes are scumbags. The fact that, as you say, they sold out quickly, which indicates many more people wanted one, means that every reseller who bought one of these was depriving a genuine customer of the opportunity to purchase one.