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So I bought a Land Raider Crusader, and I decided to look through my Blood Angels codex for the stats of hurricane bolters....

...it wasn't there.

I didn't panic, and checked at the back of the Warhammer 40k Rulebook (the mini one that comes with AoBR), looking for its stats...

...it wasn't there either.

Thus I come to Dakka, and I ask you, what on Terra are the stats for hurricane bolters? (range, strength, AP, and type)
If you could help me out here, it would be most appreciated.

I believe they have the same stats as the regular boltguns with the exception that they are three shots and twinlinked.

Don't believe I'm allowed to post stats,

Check it up on the Marine Ref. Sheet.

In essence, they are 3 boltguns that are Twin-linked and can always fire, regardless of movement. (Meaning 6 shots, 3 for each sponson)

The Marine Ref. Sheet doesn't list them at all

It would make sense if they were 3 shots and twin-linked, but otherwise identical to boltguns.

if you shoot at a target in both sponson's LOS, do you make 6 attacks in all? (both hurricane bolters fire 3 attacks)

If you are not allowed to post stats, I didn't know, and I apologize.

I don't care if i get told off it should be part of the blood angels codex

Hurricane Bolters are 3-TL Bolters that does mean they can be rapid fired for 6 shots each.

If GW ever got round to righting it a weapons profile it would look like this
Hurrican bolters
(ranged firing)Range 24" Str4 AP 5 Heavy 3 Twin-linked
( rapid firing ) Range 12" Str4 AP 5 Heavy 6 Twin-linked

Thanks Tri!

But my question was whether both sponsons could fire at once (both left and right guns), either for regular fire for 6 shots total, or rapid-fire for 12 shots total at the same target (assuming both have LOS).

Also, can the two sponsons fire at two different targets in the same turn? (ie the left one fires at a Cadian Shock Troop squad while the right gun fires at a Heavy Weapons Team, all in the same Shooting Phase)

Can one sponson fire a regular 24" shot and the other rapid fire (at different targets, obviously)?

And for my last question, does the "Heavy" type indicate it cannot move and shoot in the same turn?

Thats why the sub codex always says
"you need the main Rule Book and Space Marine Codex"
to be able to use this supplement.

The stats for it are on the Space Marine Codex.

LunaHound wrote:
Thats why the sub codex always says
"you need the main Rule Book and Space Marine Codex"
to be able to use this supplement.

The stats for it are on the Space Marine Codex.

Huh. The Blood Angels codex says you only need the two issues of White Dwarf and the 40k rule book to field a BA army. So I was confused somewhat...

Vehicles can move and fire heavy weapons. Sorry, but face + palm.

It can fire different the different profiles of rapid fire at different targets because of the Machine Spirit.

Sorry =P, this is my first vehicle and I've only actually been playing the game for a week now. (before that was just learning how to do anything) So forgive my nooby-nees

Elector wrote:Sorry =P, this is my first vehicle and I've only actually been playing the game for a week now. (before that was just learning how to do anything) So forgive my nooby-nees

Nono its fine , what i meant was negativity towards GW ( why they cant just respecify a few paragraphs onto the codex , so we dont have to flip through 3 books )

of course they did it so we have to buy more stuff -_-

Oh, well, sorry then. Yes, vehicles basically have Relentless. Yes, the Hurricane Bolter is 3 TL bolters strapped together. Each hurricane bolter fires as one weapon. It resolves just like firing 3 TL bolters at someone. Machine Spirit lets you split the fire, and so you can them at two targets with different ranges (altering how many shots get fired).

On another note, that gives me an idea for a new ANGRY MARINE tank. Just hang 3 marines off each side with 2 bolters each.

DarkHound wrote:Oh, well, sorry then. Yes, vehicles basically have Relentless. Yes, the Hurricane Bolter is 3 TL bolters strapped together. Each hurricane bolter fires as one weapon. It resolves just like firing 3 TL bolters at someone. Machine Spirit lets you split the fire, and so you can them at two targets with different ranges (altering how many shots get fired).

On another note, that gives me an idea for a new ANGRY MARINE tank. Just hang 3 marines off each side with 2 bolters each.

1 angry marine on each side.

1 bolter on each hand, and 1 crotch bolter.

LunaHound wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Oh, well, sorry then. Yes, vehicles basically have Relentless. Yes, the Hurricane Bolter is 3 TL bolters strapped together. Each hurricane bolter fires as one weapon. It resolves just like firing 3 TL bolters at someone. Machine Spirit lets you split the fire, and so you can them at two targets with different ranges (altering how many shots get fired).

On another note, that gives me an idea for a new ANGRY MARINE tank. Just hang 3 marines off each side with 2 bolters each.

1 angry marine on each side.

1 bolter on each hand, and 1 crotch bolter.

Don't forget 'no pants'... always gotta have the 'no pants'...

Since I don't think its been answer yet. All vehicle weapons fall into 3 types; These can be found on page 58. Depending on the type of vehicle it can fire X number of these weapons depending on how far it moves; This has been put into a summary on page 73.

With those to pages you'll know that yes indeed a Land Raider can shoot both Hurricane Bolter so long as it doesn't move faster then cruising speed (in which case it could use POTMS (Power of the Machine Spirit) to fire one gun)

One point not mentioned is that Hurricane Bolters are a defensive weapon, and can always be fired if moving between 0"-6". Vehichles always count as being stationary when firing weapons for the purposes of weapon descriptor such as Heavy, Assault, and Rapid Fire. In the case of Hurricanes, their profile should be the following:

Range: 24", S4, AP5, Rapid Fire 3, Twin-linked.

SJ

3 Twin-linked bolters.


sorry just trying to get my post count above 250 by midnight.

Ok, just becuse I'm a little slow, how are they defensive weapons with a str of 5? Is that a codex thing?? Only reason I ask is because the BRB (PG. 58) states that defensive weapons have a str of 4 or less.

They are bolters. I wished my marines carried S5 Bolters, but alas they are only S4.

bah, never mind, my bad... I was skimming over and saw Str 4 AP 5 and thought it said Str 5 AP 4.... Oops...

s2ua7 wrote:bah, never mind, my bad... I was skimming over and saw Str 4 AP 5 and thought it said Str 5 AP 4.... Oops...

Lysdexia WTF.

The Angry Commissar wrote:3 Twin-linked bolters.


sorry just trying to get my post count above 250 by midnight.

lol, you dirty post spammer =)

jeffersonian000 wrote:One point not mentioned is that Hurricane Bolters are a defensive weapon, and can always be fired if moving between 0"-6". Vehichles always count as being stationary when firing weapons for the purposes of weapon descriptor such as Heavy, Assault, and Rapid Fire. In the case of Hurricanes, their profile should be the following:

Range: 24", S4, AP5, Rapid Fire 3, Twin-linked.

SJ

Can't agree with that profile since rapid fire weapons only fire up to 2 shots at 12" or 1 shot at maximum range. Only way to get all the shots is duel profiles.

Hurrican bolters
(ranged firing)Range 24" Str4 AP 5 Heavy 3 Twin-linked
( rapid firing ) Range 12" Str4 AP 5 Heavy 6 Twin-linked

(I know technically the second profile should be assault 6 but since you can only find on vehicles it makes sence that infantry couldn't move an fire it)

I'll see your imaginary profile and raise
Hurricane Bolters:
Range 24" Str4 AP5 Rapidfire, Co-axial, Twin Linked
Range 24" Str4 AP5 Rapidfire, Co-axial, Twin Linked
Range 24" Str4 AP5 Rapidfire, Co-axial, Twin Linked

They are the same as bolters, but like the first poster said, they are twin linked and have 3 shots instead of the normal one or two (Within rapid fire range).

Elector wrote:Thanks Tri!

But my question was whether both sponsons could fire at once (both left and right guns), either for regular fire for 6 shots total, or rapid-fire for 12 shots total at the same target (assuming both have LOS).

Also, can the two sponsons fire at two different targets in the same turn? (ie the left one fires at a Cadian Shock Troop squad while the right gun fires at a Heavy Weapons Team, all in the same Shooting Phase)

Can one sponson fire a regular 24" shot and the other rapid fire (at different targets, obviously)?

And for my last question, does the "Heavy" type indicate it cannot move and shoot in the same turn?

Yes, you can fire both at the same target if in LOS of both. 3x left, 3x right at 24" or 6x left and 6x right at 12" reroll every miss for twin-linked.

Yes or No, depending on your codex... Refer to your Land Raider entry. I know the new SM codex says the Machine Spirit can fire 1 weapon, possibly at a different target than the crew, but I also know my BT and WH Raiders, which are not 5th edition, can't do that.

Vehicles don'T care about Heavy. They care about what speed they been going at to see how many weapons they can fire.
Those Bolters are S4 so would count as defensive weapons anyway, so they don'T count against that limit and you could technically fire them after moving even 12", if I'm not mistaken.

I use the new Blood Angels codex (printed in White Dwarf) and it says it has the Power of the Machine Spirit, which says "Vehicles moving 6" or less can fire one extra weapon at BS of 2, even if Stunned or Shaken", however, I was just looking through the rulebook and I believe it states that the tank may only fire on one target, and if it doesn't have LOS, it's your tough luck, and it can't fire.

I don't think they can fire at different targets, correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep you've got to fire at the same target ... sucks I know. Look unless your in love with death company, pick up a copy of codex SM and use that to build your army. Simply put they get the best toys and aren't sharing them with any other chapters.

Tri wrote:Can't agree with that profile since rapid fire weapons only fire up to 2 shots at 12" or 1 shot at maximum range. Only way to get all the shots is duel profiles.

The profile I posted is correct as rapid fire weapons double their attacks at 12", vehicles count as stationary when firing, and each sponson is counted as a separate weapon. This means that in an instance where one sponson is at 12" or less while the other is at greater than 12", you would only get 9 shots (3 from the far one, 6 from the close one).

SJ

jeffersonian000 wrote:

Tri wrote:Can't agree with that profile since rapid fire weapons only fire up to 2 shots at 12" or 1 shot at maximum range. Only way to get all the shots is duel profiles.

The profile I posted is correct as rapid fire weapons double their attacks at 12", vehicles count as stationary when firing, and each sponson is counted as a separate weapon. This means that in an instance where one sponson is at 12" or less while the other is at greater than 12", you would only get 9 shots (3 from the far one, 6 from the close one).

SJ

Rapid Fire weapons do no such thing they fire 1 or 2 shots. If the model is within 12" its 2 shots; if the model stands still he can fire 1 shot at maximum range. Are you using a non-English rule book?