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 AlexHolker wrote:
You are arguing from the position that Samaritans 13+ are valued at $0, that they are free because they were not part of the initial offer.

You're intentionally taking something out of context. I'm arguing in regards to quality of the sculpts. You threw up an argument about the actual casted quality of a model. If the models you receive, any of them, is disfigured or miscast you're entitled to a replacement as that is part of what is being sent out. If a model isn't a pretty as you want it to be you're not entitled to have the whole thing resculpted to your pleasure. See, two different things that you're trying to combine to look smart.

So to summarize for you Alexholker the additional model is free as it was not included in the original deal. However, any models now being sent out you are entitled to thanks to your participation. Should any of those models be damaged or poorly cast. you're entitled to a replacement per whatever policy Studio McVey moves forward with. But that doesn't mean you have the right to demand a resculpt or throw a fit because it doesn't match your image entirely when even cursory review of how Studio McVey operates would have shown you they farm out sculpting to several sources.

However, like I said before, if this one model was the tipping point for you then drop it. But don't demand something be done about a model that only a few (granted vocal few) people seem to dislike.

@Rigeld2

I probably should have been more clear, that portion was not to you individually it was more of a blanket statement. Sorry man

Wow, this 'argument' still going? I think this post sums it up:

 mattyrm wrote:

If you want to cancel your pledge to McVey, knock yourself out.. but don't bore the fething tits off everyone by VENTING about it on dakka.

To steal Nikes slogan, just do it.

Now, my attempt to get this horribly derailed thread back on track, some more piccies of the stunning vanguard trooper on a jetbike for those that missed it amongst the moribund posts.

 Hulksmash wrote:

@Rigeld2

I probably should have been more clear, that portion was not to you individually it was more of a blanket statement. Sorry man

Whoa, whoa ... guys .... step into your respective corners and give the rage a rest, please.

I think it's abundantly clear to everyone here that there are two opposing perspectives but name-calling and being argumentative is not doing anything to make your points heard.

Sort of seems like the same thing that the McVey's got honked-off about on their forums, no ?

Anyway, I don't think anyone has mentioned that we're looking at an enlarged 2D photo image and the finished model's face will only be the size of a small ladybug when it finally gets into our hands.

Really? All this back-and-forth for something that won't be nearly as noticable at it's produced scale ?...

tbh looking at the concept and the sculpt the jaw is the same ..i think the jaw liiks off to some people as the sculpter has changed the eye brows on the concept they are straight wheres on the mini they are rounded and it makes the jaw look stronger ....

im really likeing the jet bike shame i cant affored a unit of them :[

Plus black and white line drawing vs 3D model with shadows

yeah ! and non 28mm scaled pic vs a 28mm sculpt lol

You might be right, you might be wrong, I call for pics from more angles.

That jetbike- Wow. Really, really sweet... but probably not a multi-part rider that would look good as a unit of several, though?

Probably not no. It is confirmed that it is the same scale as the SW figures right? I would buy one but Dreamforge is soaking up all my figure funds for the moment!

I can understand why people would be upset about the fig. I too got in based on the previous quality of the Studio McVey figs and expected figures of comparable quality. The figure isn't bad, but I would have not been too excited if that had been shown off. Still, wait till a painted version gets out and then see what you think. We all get excited about the McVey figs, but all of them are shown off painted.

 Commander Cain wrote:
Probably not no. It is confirmed that it is the same scale as the SW figures right? I would buy one but Dreamforge is soaking up all my figure funds for the moment!

I asked and Ali said the SW stuff might be a tiny bit smaller. The previous LE minis (like the Kara's) are a little bigger than the SW stuff, however, she was done quite some time before SW so they might have adapted the new model. Anyway, as she's mounted on a jetbike and no-one will be standing directly next to her, I think you wouldn't really notice.

I love how as usual, only select individuals are given warnings/bans while the prime offenders in the topic remain unpunished despite offensive and harmful rhetoric.

Typical Dakka!

Most of the time you won't know a warning has been issued, starwarslegacy- it's done privately with the poster in question (unless a public warning is needed, etc).

Speaking of which, we are probably getting near that point now...

starwarslegacy wrote:
I love how as usual, only select individuals are given warnings/bans while the prime offenders in the topic remain unpunished despite offensive and harmful rhetoric.

Typical Dakka!

As usual, 99% of disciplinary action is private, and as usual, a few people (usually people who've brokent the rules themselves) believe that because they don't see a thing, it doesn't exist.

SO much RAEG in this thread.

It's delicious.

I'd use a different word to describe it.

Seems Kickstarter brings out everyone's inner Hulk.

It's a game guys. Get over it.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there a time frame/plan to make Sedition Wars a 'real' tabletop wargame?

I seem to remember reading that their current plan is for the main board game and then a firebrand v bounty hunters expansion for Q1/2 next year. A second expansion for the alien race that created the strain to follow. If those all sell well, then they may produce a skirmish game (my emphasis). Mostly plucked from my memory - reliability usually alright, but occasionally fuzzy!

There's also plenty of rulesets that are usable in the meantime if you want to do some SW Tabletop gaming.


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Wow. This thread got interesting since I last looked at it. Me? I'm disappointed in the head, probably moreso since the rest of the figure looks great (to me), but as stated, it's going to be much smaller "in the flesh". Having said that, I don't know how good or not the game will be as I've not played it yet (someone called it a "great game" above), but I'm getting an absolute shirtload of rather good Kev White sci-fi miniatures for a very reasonable price. As well as a game I can use them for, and hopefully enjoy.

Some good posts by Buzzsaw as well, throughout. kudos.

The thread is disintegrating into another zombiecide-type catastrophe, maybe not on the same scale but soon enough I can see complete chaos erupting!

The only Zombiecide catastrophe was the damn Tshirts being too small!

This is a storm in a tea cup. I look forward to my import duty free Studio McVey goodies. As you were.

My shirt was the right size....but I also don't see an issue with the sculpt either.

That sculpt looks about right.

I honestly do not see the issue that would kick up such a gakstorm. Is it really worth cancelling a pledge over? We have seen most of the sculpts for the game, those there were for the extras, if you don't want them, just put a pricetag on them and put them in the swap bin.


And on that other point, I would easily run you over the coals and impale someone if they deserved it, but in this case, for the basis of a disagreement of a mini? No. I'm not seeing the reason to pee on your leg over it. Thats kinda getting out of the topic of the conversation.


Point 1. Are we getting the same thing we pledged for? As far as I can see, yes. The guys have no paint on them, if you "Don't like the jawline... etc.etc." thats more of a personal issue. I don't see it worth going into overdrive, especially when we are seeing the onset of a whole new tabletop game.

Point 2. How do these miniatures stack up to other companies, such as Mantic, Reaper, GW, heh heh, even Mongoose? Are they on par with Infinity/ Corvus Bell? How about other compnaies- are these minis better or worse in sculpt?


For the record about these minis from Studio McVey, I like what I see. They are not going to go down on every little detail, or they would never have a release. What they have shown is on par with what is to be expected. If you have some sort of overinflated sense of what YOU think they should be, by all means, go make some minis and call it a day.

I like the stuff, and do not see the issues. Am I missing something that someone else is pointing out? I don't see the rqage candy, either.


What am I missing in this picture? ( Wheres Waldo?)

Waldo is on the top right corner behind the two men disagreeing.

What you miss is the fundamental cornerstone of our civilization, we do not see things the same way and we either discuss to a mutual agreement or disagree.

So some people are fine with the sculpt as is and do not try to understand people that have an issue with the sculpt, people that have an issue with the sculpt are puzzled and try to explain why they think the sculpt has an issue, no mater how small that may be and why it is important 9for them), sides do not agree and lines are drawn, typical disagreement scenario.

Personally I disagree that
The model is free
The model is perfect
The model is up to the standard Studio McVey and Sedition Wars line has made us expect from them

personally I agree that
The flaw is minor
That it might be an issue of the picture angle, after all the model is not postured straight as in the artwork, but is slightly bending forward
It is not a deal breaking issue
I would not cancel my pledge for that (but whoever did more power to him, I do not understand it, but ok)

If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

Model looks good. IMO if this model was just released without concept art ever been shown of it and the first thing people saw was the model it would have received high praise. The concept art just skewed the expectations of her

 whalemusic360 wrote:
If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

That's one way of putting it, of course.

It is also extremely valid to post criticism of models that are finally getting previewed - I mean, if you backed the project, you do have a stake and a voice.

Constructive criticism is more than OK - and it really should be expected.

As long as things stay level and polite, there really isn't any harm in it at all.

 scipio.au wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there a time frame/plan to make Sedition Wars a 'real' tabletop wargame?

I seem to remember reading that their current plan is for the main board game and then a firebrand v bounty hunters expansion for Q1/2 next year. A second expansion for the alien race that created the strain to follow. If those all sell well, then they may produce a skirmish game (my emphasis). Mostly plucked from my memory - reliability usually alright, but occasionally fuzzy!

There's also plenty of rulesets that are usable in the meantime if you want to do some SW Tabletop gaming.

Indeed. Part of the reason I invested was cause they'll be awesome for Tomorrow's War.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

maybe and maybe not.

CMON runs the kickstarter as a prerelease/ initial funding event, the backers are in for the better than RRP deal, so its a theoretical win/ win situation, backers get a better deal than those that wait for later and the game can be delivered as a better game because of the extra initial funding, for example upgrading the paper counters to plastic.

The bad side of it is for the backers buying a sight unseen product, for example in sedition wars, not a single model seen was from the ones made plastic, everybody took a jump of faith in the "dark" I say "dark" because our pledges and expectations are based on the companies previous record Studio McVey has established itself with quality and when I pledged I expected to receive a similar quality to their already published models (minus the problems plastic has).

Personally, if they fail to deliver on the expectations they established it will be a double loss, one for those pledged expecting the top quality Studio McVey has established and one for the Studio McVey for not standing up to its level.
The above may seem dramatic and probably are, we are nitpicking here for a bad jawline that makes an otherwise great model looking meh, but it is an indicator on how high Studio McVey standards are set in their customers minds.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

I await the Mantic KoW thread's rebirth with a bucket of popcorn....

 scipio.au wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

I await the Mantic KoW thread's rebirth with a bucket of popcorn....

Good point - that one might make all the other 'concept sketches are ≠ to actual model" discussions look like minor problems indeed!