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HQ
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DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175

Elites
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5 Terminators (5 Combi-Weapons) 175

Troops
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7x Plague Marines (2x Meltas, PF, Icon, Rhino) 261
7x Plague Marines (2x Meltas, PF, Icon, Rhino) 261
7x Plague Marines (2x Plasmas, Melta Bombs, Combi-Weapon, Icon, Rhino) 261


Lesser Daemons
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10x Lesser Daemons 130
9x Lesser Daemons 130

Heavy Support
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Vindicator (Possession) 145
Vindicator (Possession) 145

1845 Points in the end. What could I do to improve on this list?

Looks quite good.
The Vindicators can advance with the Rhinos.
This will dilute enemy shooting.
The Lesser Daemons and Termies will then arrive at mid-field.

I'd replace the Sorcerer with another winged DP.

I'm not really a big fan of lesser daemons or vindicators . The first for the short distance in points from regular marines and only a 5+ invul save, and the second for its short range, lack of back up weapons(meaning it becomes useless after a weapon destroyed) and weakness to assault , plus possession dropping your bs by 1 making your single cannon even less effective. I'm not saying remove either of these, but definitely make sure they are what you want and consider the downsides and what you could replace them with.

The only other thing I saw was the power weapon, do you really need it? It is a decent amount of points for not a lot of gain. I guess you're just taking it to fill in your points, but if you rework the daemons and heavy support maybe that could be taken out.

Something I would think about: Havocs, give them autocannons, 8 very nice shots that do well against armor up to av13 and all infantry. and you can add some more basic havocs to pad the unit a bit if you like. Cheap, effective, and far better than double vindicators.

The list is updated. Removed 1 Lesser daemon and a power weapon from the plasma squad. Gave the plasma squad Melta Bombs. Removed Sorceror and added a 2nd identical DP.

s1gns wrote:The list is updated. Removed 1 Lesser daemon and a power weapon from the plasma squad. Gave the plasma squad Melta Bombs. Removed Sorceror and added a 2nd identical DP.

Haha, when you said one I assumed you meant a full squad, that's pretty funny =p. If you have 5 pts left over you might as well just buy another squad melta bombs or drop something else for an icon for the terminators(just more help to get the daemons in if you're going to use them).

buy one terminator a heavy flamer, they are steal for the price.

IF you are not going for the PF drop the champ from the plas squad, the icon and combi are not worth the total price. 2 icons is plenty. With the extra pts buy more daemons, if you're going daemon bomb then numbers are everything.

I have rearranged my 1850 army with some help from a friend. The new list still needs some work since I have some points left to use.

Revised 1850 Nurgle List!

HQ
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DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175

Elites
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5x Terminators (HF, 4x Combi-Melta, Chain Fist) 190

Troops
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7x PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 271
7x PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 271
7x PM (2x Plasmagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 281

Heavy Support
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Vindicator (Possession, HL) 160
Vindicator (Possession, HL) 160

1683 Points which leaves me with 167 points that I can spend on other things...but what?

I'd either upgrade the Termies or take a Defiler.

Nurgle Bikers! I had to say it, jeez. Or you can bring back 2 squads of Lessers (6 each). Plague Father knows you'll want the bodies.

possession dropping your bs by 1 making your single cannon even less effective

vindi's got an ordnance kannon, lol

Revised 1850 Nurgle List!

HQ
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DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175

Elites
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5x Terminators (HF, 4x Combi-Melta, Chain Fist) 190

Troops
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7x PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 271
7x PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 271
7x PM (2x Plasmagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 281

Fast Attack
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3x Chaos Bikers (MoN, Meltagun, Flamer)

Heavy Support
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Vindicator (Possession, HL) 160
Vindicator (Possession, HL) 160

I probably should change around the Biker squads layout. More bodies and less upgrades probably.

I probably should change around the Biker squads layout. More bodies and less upgrades probably.

what an idea! did you find it out yourself? okay, seriously now

do you have to stay at 1.850 format? it's such a stupid number... i mean, if you extend your army list size to 2k points, then you are able to make bikers more numerous... otherwise you have to throw away things from your roster, and i like it as it is, the only flaw is that 3 bikers are just not enough (min. 5-6)

if you were to extend it, then add a champ with fist for biker squad, it's the fastest unit of yours, and can save your mighty ass if your DPs/troops get into trouble with machines

3 Bikers are enough. They are all but immune to small arms and I don't see the enemy wasting time with anti-tank against it when you have 2 Daemon Princes of Nurgle (also almost immune to small arms) and 2 Vindicators.

DP’s are ok, but a little on the pricey side for my tastes.
Termies look ok, sort of mehish.
Troops look ok, but no love for flamers?
Bikers: IMO 3 man squads are poor. And Icon of nurgle on them is insanely priced for what you get, T6 is only a parlor trick.
Vindis do you really need the HL? Yes, losing the demo cannon sucks, but the HL just doesn’t seem to mesh with range at which the Vindi will find itself with the enemy.

My 7 Cents.

Why dont you loose one of the daemon princes, and the lesser daemons and take 2 squads of plauge bearers and epidemius as an attachment?

Then epidemius 3+ feel no pain rolls, as well as all units have power weapons would appy to your plauge marines as well.

Just throwing it out there...

What...?

I would take the HL off the Vindi's and drop the Bikes. Add another termie squad, and you have a fluffy Deathguard force.

I noticed you hadn't bought the Mark of Nurgle for those terminators.

As a fellow Death Guard player myself, one aspect that the army struggles with is ranged combat. Because of such I have worked two autocannon and 2x lascannon sponson predators into my list. It is defiantly useful against ranged and fast armies as you can soften up some of their tanks and transports in the first two turns that you will otherwise be moving forward. I tried the 2x vindicator's with mixed results. They are pretty good on games where they hit, but there are plenty of times where they scatter off and you sit there wishing you had a lascannon, autocannon, or melta. Hence I only use one now.

Another unit I carry a torch for is lesser daemons. They do so well against the units that really wreck PM's. Squads of termies, incubi, monsterous creatures, and high AP weapons rip those expensive plague marines but for 130 points you can summon 10 lesser daemons who can come to tie up those units. Not only that but they come in 6 inches from an icon, don't scatter, and can instantly charge. 10 of them give you a nice little 30 strength 4 attacks on the charge. Not too shabby and bolsters the close combat weakness of the army.

I agree with Darkhound on Twoshoesvans.
"Wut?"
Just in case, can't normally combine Codex Daemons and Codex CSM.
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@RxGhost: it's an icon of nurgle..and a nurgl list doesn't have to be all dedicated, just a majority. IoN is supidly expensive for what you get.

@JGrand: eh, I don't think range cover fire is 100% on a need basis with a Nurgle hvy list, but if I do I prefer oblits.

As to lesser daemons.....meh....I only include them when I get upwards of 2000 points fights...one squad of 20 for kicks.

My 7 Cents.

164pts is a lot to spend on three models. One battlecannon shot and its bye-bye bikers. Remember not all big guns are used for killing tanks. It would be better for you to spend the points on another vindicator or another squad of terminators.

I think that you do need to swap your plasmas for meltas on that PM squad because you are so low on anti-tank. Im also not sold on the havoc launchers. If you drop they bikes and the HLs then you can get another identical squad of terminators, which will serve you better i think.

One Battlecannon shot will kill 1 Biker if they've turbo-boosted, and generally after they've moved that far the LRBT or Defiler is in melta range. You also forget that those ordanance weapons tend to be inaccurate, so hitting a 3 man squad may take 1 or 2 shots. Pretty fair investment for 164 points.

Personally I liked the original list. Unlike others I'm a big fan of lesser demons for the sole fact you can get 20 for 260 points and run through most basic troop squads. Its also great at anti-horde because they chew through gaunts and boyz pretty well, and of course IG But at low level games I must agree, they don't cut it :( normal marines are far better at lower totals.

I like it more with lesser daemons personally.

I think you should drop the god awful 3 man biker squad and go with a third vindicator.

Either that or free up 23 more points, drop some combi-meltas from the PM squads or maybe an icon, and take a second terminator squad.

I vote for more Terminators. They rock your box in close combat, and that is something you are missing.

New list after suggestions. Dropped the 3 man biker squad and the Havoc Launchers on the vindi's and replaced them with another identical terminator squad. I chose to keep the plasma squad because that is my objective sitting squad. Charges in and drops a ton of shots and a flame template. Usually a good chance to deal a lot of damage to most squads that are on an objective After they can just shoot at full range and rapid fire threats as they get closer. Do I have enough anti-tank now? I do think the list looks better now though.

HQ
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175

Elites
5x Terminators (HF, 4x Combi-Melta, Chain Fist) 190
5x Terminators (HF, 4x Combi-Melta, Chain Fist) 190

Troops
7x PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 271
7x PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Melta, Rhino) 271
7x PM (2x Plasmagun, PF, Icon, Combi-Flamer, Rhino) 281

Heavy Support
Vindicator (Possession) 145
Vindicator (Possession) 145

1843 Points

Bikers are GREAT in mid point games in decent size squads (undivided 5 man biker squads w/ 2x melta (or 1x melta/1x flamer) and possibly a power wep/fist) because against things like Nid's, eldar, and Orks they get up there fast, shoot a nice payload, and assault. However, against SM's and the heavier shooty armies I've found they don't perform as well as Vinds or Oblits :(

I agree with Fox, assault termis wreck house. My personal fav are Nurgle Termis w/ dual lightning claw. They might go at the same time as normal marines and things, but they are very tough to kill unless you have power fists. Even normal SM termis have a rough time killing them (needing 5's to wound with their power weapons is pretty lol). But they're expensive, which makes me a sad panda :(

Assault terminators:
-Expensive, in need of LRs that can be popped early.
-leadership issues.
-1 round combats are not good for it.
-2 round combats are ideal, but that just means they are not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

5++ is nice, but just not as hot as say........a 3++.....LR is pretty cool too, esp. without Machine spirit and less cushion space.../sigh.

My 7 Cents.

I'm going to use the 1850 list that I've created with the help of everyone. I think I would like to extend this to 2000 points. What should I add? I was thinking a 3rd vindi with possession but that is kind of boring.