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Luckily, I found a buyer for these books locally.. still trying to cancel my order for AM and Xenos.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Fires of Cyraxis when? x.x

Maybe it will go up for pre-order this week? Please? Getting itchy fam.

You guys are breaking my heart.. I don't even have the xenos book in hand yet and knowing that it's a steaming pile before it even gets here just sucks the fun out of a FW order :(
I don't realistically expect a refund but it'll be interesting to see if they're going to issue any.

 MLaw wrote:
You guys are breaking my heart.. I don't even have the xenos book in hand yet and knowing that it's a steaming pile before it even gets here just sucks the fun out of a FW order :(
I don't realistically expect a refund but it'll be interesting to see if they're going to issue any.

Full refunds.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Returns

WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Daedalus81 wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
You guys are breaking my heart.. I don't even have the xenos book in hand yet and knowing that it's a steaming pile before it even gets here just sucks the fun out of a FW order :(
I don't realistically expect a refund but it'll be interesting to see if they're going to issue any.

Full refunds.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Returns

They do require you to pay return shipping, which is a non-trivial percentage of the cost of one of the indexes.

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Wait, what? Did I miss something? Why these "refunds" and panics? What happened?

skarsol wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
You guys are breaking my heart.. I don't even have the xenos book in hand yet and knowing that it's a steaming pile before it even gets here just sucks the fun out of a FW order :(
I don't realistically expect a refund but it'll be interesting to see if they're going to issue any.

Full refunds.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Returns

They do require you to pay return shipping, which is a non-trivial percentage of the cost of one of the indexes.

Since you're allowed to refused delivery of a package, you might not have to pay for return shipping if you haven't already received the book. Just contact them about a refund and don't accept the package. They'll have to send it back.

 Mymearan wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Where did you see that? All this said was they were consolidating some rules. The Facebook thread, they talk about other things like psychic powers, basically saying more info is to come on it. They don't at all say it's just going to be a total rehash of the system.

This post was really nothing more then a "Hey, just letting you guys know we're still working on this" thing. No real information at all was shared.

 djones520 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Where did you see that? All this said was they were consolidating some rules. The Facebook thread, they talk about other things like psychic powers, basically saying more info is to come on it. They don't at all say it's just going to be a total rehash of the system.

This post was really nothing more then a "Hey, just letting you guys know we're still working on this" thing. No real information at all was shared.

Except the part that says 'there will be no major changes to the game'.

 Mymearan wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Very little to fix that was not all ready fixed in HH by not giving Marines Andthyshallignoreallrules and not including detachment.




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ERJAK wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Where did you see that? All this said was they were consolidating some rules. The Facebook thread, they talk about other things like psychic powers, basically saying more info is to come on it. They don't at all say it's just going to be a total rehash of the system.

This post was really nothing more then a "Hey, just letting you guys know we're still working on this" thing. No real information at all was shared.

Except the part that says 'there will be no major changes to the game'.

Well they say no major changes to HH as currently played a subtle but important difference to 40k 7th

 Mymearan wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Honestly, I don't know how it could be any clearer that FW is in no position to tackle any major projects like 'fixing' 7th edition. There are things in the HH books that have needed FAQs/errata for a LONG time, and that was before Inferno and some of the 'yeesh' in that book. Basically every FW project of late has been coming in months -- and sometimes many months -- behind schedule. Well okay, other than the index books, but those arrived with some of the same issues of Inferno.

There are important reasons for this, and I still really enjoy all the work they do. Just want to be clear about that. But I can't ignore what I clearly see *right in front of me* and convince myself that FW is about to launch some sublime new version of 7th ed in a matter of weeks. This is about republishing a 7th ed. rulebook since GW isn't selling them anymore. HH will be stuck with plenty of 7th ed. rules silliness and sloppiness for quite some time. It is what it is.

 mmzero252 wrote:

skarsol wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
You guys are breaking my heart.. I don't even have the xenos book in hand yet and knowing that it's a steaming pile before it even gets here just sucks the fun out of a FW order :(
I don't realistically expect a refund but it'll be interesting to see if they're going to issue any.

Full refunds.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Returns

They do require you to pay return shipping, which is a non-trivial percentage of the cost of one of the indexes.

Since you're allowed to refused delivery of a package, you might not have to pay for return shipping if you haven't already received the book. Just contact them about a refund and don't accept the package. They'll have to send it back.

Since it's sent without tracking it's real hard to intercept, but yes, that's possible.

I don't think anyone was expecting a major update to the rules from forgeworld, HH already does away with the worst parts of 7th edition (formations and huge disparity between codex's) but there is just one or two things we HOPE they tidy up. Mainly the pyshic phase.

The hash job they have done with the index's for 8th doesn't really give me great confidence, hopefully it's because A; they rushed it to meet a deadline or B; their rules guys are busy with HH stuff and they let a janitor do it?

Looking forward to getting this!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Wait, what? Did I miss something? Why these "refunds" and panics? What happened?

The FW indexes have some really poor editing, and (I think?) some people were saying they were missing info advertised.

FW indexes are incredibly poorly done, but if you have FW models then they are necessary if you want to play them.

The "quality" of the indices and HH: Inferno makes me fear for the quality of Fires Of Cyraxus when it releases.

Verveidi, if this was a drinking game, you just made me take a shot

Just to be clear, the refund thing is FW's usual policy, not something specific to these books.

The possibility of a time-travelling Ordinatus is amusing enough for me to not complain much.

Oh, my posts are a drinking game, now? Didn't know that... should have been expected.

I think he more means the mention of Fires Of Cyraxus.

 Verviedi wrote:
The "quality" of ... HH: Inferno ...

What happened with Inferno?

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So the wording on the Corsairs moral rule is weird,

You roll two dice, discarding the lowest, BUT whenever they fail a morale test they lose an additional model.

Wouldn't a "but" indicate something counteracting the original penalty?

"Your mom was in an accident, but she died."

Huh? You get bonus X but suffer penalty Y in return.

tneva82 wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So the wording on the Corsairs moral rule is weird,

You roll two dice, discarding the lowest, BUT whenever they fail a morale test they lose an additional model.

Wouldn't a "but" indicate something counteracting the original penalty?

"Your mom was in an accident, but she died."

Huh? You get bonus X but suffer penalty Y in return.

Except in this case it is "you may take penalty X but suffer penalty Y in return".

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Wait, what? Did I miss something? Why these "refunds" and panics? What happened?

The FW indexes have some really poor editing, and (I think?) some people were saying they were missing info advertised.

Online internet hardman hysteria mainly. The editing is bad in some places yes, but it hardly makes all the books worthless.

"I'm not going to play with any of my forgeworld models anymore because GW wrote preceding instead of following in a rule, take that GW!"

The Psychic phase is the major problem I have with 7th edition, in particular the psychic powers. Those needed an almost total redo in order to make the powers balanced and useful, instead of ranging from useless to Invisibility. Also, get rid of random rolling for Warlord traits and the psychic powers.

MaxT wrote:
Online internet hardman hysteria mainly. The editing is bad in some places yes, but it hardly makes all the books worthless.

Until the corrected versions come out. Then they'll be worthless.

MaxT wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Wait, what? Did I miss something? Why these "refunds" and panics? What happened?

The FW indexes have some really poor editing, and (I think?) some people were saying they were missing info advertised.

Online internet hardman hysteria mainly. The editing is bad in some places yes, but it hardly makes all the books worthless.

"I'm not going to play with any of my forgeworld models anymore because GW wrote preceding instead of following in a rule, take that GW!"

More like people finding they can't play with many of their FW minis any more as they aren't in the index and so have no official rules any more (unless used as a proxy for something else in which case they might as well have saved their cash and used them as proxies for something in the main indexes)

I think it's more a case of when people are spending £100+ on a model from Forge World they expect them to at least proof-read the rules for said models, or not to make said model less useful than one costing 1/3 the price from GW.

 djones520 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
WarCom article about the new HH rulebook

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/26/a-new-rulebook-for-the-horus-heresy/

Doesn't look like they're "fixing" 7th like people were hoping for.

Where did you see that? All this said was they were consolidating some rules. The Facebook thread, they talk about other things like psychic powers, basically saying more info is to come on it. They don't at all say it's just going to be a total rehash of the system.

This post was really nothing more then a "Hey, just letting you guys know we're still working on this" thing. No real information at all was shared.

I see it as a sneaky announcement that their new head rules writer is Neil Wylie.