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Well I didn't take that close of a look at the book but I'll let you know what I remember.

HQ:
Wolf Lord
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Rune Priest
Wolf Priest
Iron Priest

Wolf Lords and WGBL's (I think the BL's) can take sagas for a certain number of points. One makes you Eternal Warrior, another makes you have an extra number of attacks based off the number of models you killed in Close Combat the previous turn.

Elites-
Wolf Guard - Base 18points, 33pts with Terminator Armor, 3-10 in a Squad, Start with PA, Bolt Pistol, Bolt Gun, CCW

Wolf Scouts- dont remember squad size, Behind Enemy lines on a 1 you come in on the right short side of the table, a 2 on the left, 3-6 anywhere you want. Full sized squad can have 2 Plasma Pistols or Power Weapons, plus a Special Weapon. Every Model can have a Boltgun for free or a Sniper Rifle for 3 points.

Lone Wolfs- listed in earlier post

Didn't pay much attention to the rest of the Elites sorry.

Elites or Fast attack may include Space Wolves that ride on Cybernetically enhanced Fenrisian Wolves. They have S5 T5. They are 50pts a model. Every HQ lord can take one of the Wolves for a cost listed in their Wargear.

Fast Attack

Blood Claw Biker Unit,have the Blood Claw Special Rules

Blood Claw Assault Squad, have the Blood Claw Special Rules

Land Speeder Squadrons, dont recall seeing LS Storms.

Troops-

Grey Hunters- 5-10 Models. One SpecWeap for 5 models, two for 10 models. Boltgun, Bolt Pistol and CCW standard. Dont remember everything, I think one model may take the Mark of the Wulfen. They cost 15pts a model.

Blood Claws- 5-15 models I think, dont remember much about them, they get a unit upgrade known as the Trickster he is a special Blood Claw

Heavy Support:

Land Raiders- the Standard Las and the Crusader are all they get I think.

Predators

Long Fangs

No Leman Russ MBTs


Sorry thats all I have for you, I only got a few minutes with the book, and most of them were spent drooling over the new models and looking over the Lone Wolves fluff and options.

My question is this:

Is there ever any point in taking non-Special Characters? Do they do anything that cannot be done better with a Special Character?

Any non-special character can be made better with the sagas, they can even be made to do similar things to the SCs or things SCs cannot. One saga grants them and their unit (I think) Stealth and Outflank, I don't recall any of the others doing that. Of course other than Grimnar I just skimmed over every one else.

Grimnar gives all units in his army +1 attack if they are within 18 inches. He also has the ability to change the special rules of the unit he is attatched to every turn. I recall the abilities being Fearless, Tank Hunters, Preferred Enemy and a couple others.

I'm still curious on the maximum numbers of power weapons/fists in a GH and BC squad. Sounds like I need to remove a few from my units.

Also, are the BC Bikes the full 10 men plus an attack bike?

Are there any attack bike squadrons?

Do BC have to charge if within charge range still?

Definitely would like the full list of special characters/sagas with their actual names/pt costs.

Transports?
-droppods/rhino/razorback/LR = points? dedicated?

LS storm is not in the codex, my apologies. No thunderfire or ironclad either. Shouts out to various people on warseer for these rumours.

Its +D3 attacks when Ragnar and his unit charges, Ragnar also has the "saga of the warrior born" which is the crazy 'you get more attacks the following round equal to the number of kills".

HQs are 2 per slot but you cant take duplicates

As for wolf priests there is NO FNP, or re rolls to hit like Litanes of Hate, they have preferred enemy against 1 type of unit.

I believe they might pass this ability onto a unt they join. And it's TYPE of unit ( infantry, bikes, cavalry) etc.

Saga of Majesty
All friendly units within 6" get to re-roll failed morale checks

Saga fo the Beast Killer
Re-roll to hit and wound against models of T5 or higher

Storm shields are apparently very expensive in the codex, Njal is sickeningly good apparently,

To all you folks who have the codex/have seen the codex: take some photos already.

Scottywan82 wrote:I'm still curious on the maximum numbers of power weapons/fists in a GH and BC squad. Sounds like I need to remove a few from my units.

Also, are the BC Bikes the full 10 men plus an attack bike?

I don't know if there are Attack Bikes, and I'm not sure on the numbers allowed sorry.

Are there any attack bike squadrons?

I don't recall seeing any, though it could be an option for the squad. Oh Bikes and Jump Troops have special Names now that I can't remember.

Do BC have to charge if within charge range still?

I'm not sure, I know they have the rule that grants them 2 extra attacks on the charge, +1 for charging +1 for the rule. It doesn't effect counter charge. They also have the rule Hard Headed or something like that, but I don't recall what it does.

Definitely would like the full list of special characters/sagas with their actual names/pt costs.

I can give you a partial on the SC, and a recap of the Sagas. Logan Grimnar, Urlik the Slayer, Njal, Bjorn, Arjac(?) he's the Thunder hammer throwing hero that can also shield bash with his strom shield on the charge (+1 Attack), The Trickster (A BC upgrade), Wolf Riding Wolf Claw guy, maybe one other.

Sagas(Don't remember the exact names or all of them);

-One of them makes the HQ plus attached squad have Outflank and Stealth

-Take any model killed in CC by the commander and set them a side, on the next turn add the number of killed models to the models number of attacks, he now has the total of the two numbers for his number of attacks that turn. So 6 attacks base, killed 5 guys that turn, add them together you have 11 next round of close combat.

- One of them makes the character Immune to instant death.

-Saga of Majesty
All friendly units within 6" get to re-roll failed morale checks (As pointed out by Red)

-Saga fo the Beast Killer
Re-roll to hit and wound against models of T5 or higher (As pointed out by Red)

NOTE: It seems that all of the Sagas are 25 points or higher.

1hadhq wrote:Transports?
-droppods/rhino/razorback/LR = points? dedicated?

Drop Pods are in the Army, just about everything can take one. Rhinos and Razorbacks appear I believe they are exactly the same as in the SM dex + or - a few points. There is only the LRC and standard LR if memory serves. Sorry I didn't take note of the points cost.

Fateweaver wrote:Brother, you are not supposed to like units that are less than ideal in tournaments. Didn't you know that if you mathhammer something 1,000 times and it fails to perform 501 times it is a garbage unit and you move onto the next unit and do the same until only a handful of units remain and then you build lists around those 5 units.

Apparently the only 5 units in the CSM dex are Plaguemarines, Berserkers, Obliterators, Lash Princes and Vindicators (the latter usually not taken if points will buy 3 more oblits).

Lone Wolves sound fun. Too bad its inconceivable a unit should exist for fun and theme and not power gaming. Ah well. From Monday on until the 'Nid codex in February I'll get to wade through 9 posts of whine to read 1 post where some didn't react in a knee-jerk way to a unit and posted a well thought out tactic or use for said unit.

Them's the interwebs I guess

Fateweaver wrote:Meh, it (the SW codex) is already being picked apart as far as what units are good/bad ONLY based on rumors, not even known points costs or exact stats.

Expect the same to happen here starting next week when more people see the 'black box codex".

'Tis a sad day when you can't post up a fun list to be critiqued in the tactics/army list section because people will just tell you to buy the flavor of the month army list and to hell with your theme or idea of fun.

Winning is fun but winning because you are a copypasta with no imagination to use units you like effectively makes that person a tool of the interwebs.

Don't care either way what the 'dex is or isn't as I can't afford to collect them and nobody in my group intends to start a wolf army either. I'll just buy the codex for toilet reading material.

Wow, the Casual Gaming Maffia is real...

Seriously, why does it bother you so much if people are talking about units from a competitive standpoint? Just because YOU don't care about that, doesn't mean others don't. And if you post a list in the army list forum, shouldn't it be because you want to know how to improve it...? Why would you post something if all you are looking for is "Yeah, Flash Gitz are awesome dude, you'll do great" *snicker*

Finally, no, I don't think any units should be "purely fluff". Do you know why? Because there's no reason to.

I love Shining Spears. Are they good? No. Would I love Shining Spears if they didn't cost a leg and an arm and had a tiny squad size? YES!! They would be just as fluffy and I'd like them just as much, but using them wouldn't actually hurt my chances of winning now. I might still get some, who knows, but surely you can understand why I'd prefer them to be actually good units.

No unit needs to be bad. If it's not awesomely uber, then price it accordingly...

Thanks, Stynier. Now I don't have to waste time on rules or points cost when I get my few minutes with the pre-release book, I can go right to mini, art, and story. Much appreciated!

Looking at units competitively is fine. Being snarky about units that aren't "competitive" in a pre-release thread is what bothers some of the posters. This is a game. No money is riding on it. Should every unit be great? Sure. But the with variety, it rarely works out that way. And sometimes units exist to be fun and characterful, and just can't get rules to make them particularly competitive. That is OK. You want to play to win, have at it.

No problem Dienekes

I have a strange thought, why can't people be capable of playing for fun and competitiveness? Like at separate times, play a fun games and competitive games.

This may shape up to be one of the best codexes of the year for all of the following reasons.

1. Jervishammer may be out of this book as sagas make it sound like you can make a non-unique HQ thats just as capable as a SC. This may just eliminate the need to take a SC to be competitive.

2. The army has a low model which also means that getting armies together might be cheaper. I'm starting to get into 40K but have never been able to get together a full army as my wallet wouldn't allow it. If I don't need to buy an absurd amount of models to make an army I will be a very happy man. This goes for other new players getting into the game as well.

3. Space Marines that are actually interesting is always a plus. The vanilla space marines book was the first codex that I couldn't read all the way through the fluff out of sheer boredom. By contrast I can't read enough of my space wolves omnibus.

Yes. Isn't it nice that Space Wolves get a revamped Daemonic Gift system. Wouldn't it be nice if another army had kept theirs rather than losing it for the first time since that certain army was invented...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. Isn't it nice that Space Wolves get a revamped Daemonic Gift system. Wouldn't it be nice if another army had kept theirs rather than losing it for the first time since that certain army was invented...

If only Phil Kelly wrote our codex, and Gav Thorpe was given his WHFB books to play with.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. Isn't it nice that Space Wolves get a revamped Daemonic Gift system. Wouldn't it be nice if another army had kept theirs rather than losing it for the first time since that certain army was invented...

Yeah...

Cheese Elemental wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. Isn't it nice that Space Wolves get a revamped Daemonic Gift system. Wouldn't it be nice if another army had kept theirs rather than losing it for the first time since that certain army was invented...

If only Phil Kelly wrote our codex, and Gav Thorpe was given his WHFB books to play with.

Well luckily I play both of these armies eh?

This 'dex is off the chain!
Make your own SCs here folks!
Now just gimme some minis and fluff

10 man capacity for Drop Pods = lame ass crap.

Isn't 10 the usual capacity

TBD wrote:Isn't 10 the usual capacity

Spheeazzs Marheens! have capacity 12 to their DPs.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. Isn't it nice that Space Wolves get a revamped Daemonic Gift system. Wouldn't it be nice if another army had kept theirs rather than losing it for the first time since that certain army was invented...

Cheese Elemental wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. Isn't it nice that Space Wolves get a revamped Daemonic Gift system. Wouldn't it be nice if another army had kept theirs rather than losing it for the first time since that certain army was invented...

If only Phil Kelly wrote our codex, and Gav Thorpe was given his WHFB books to play with.

Two words: Counts as

All swiped from Warseer











The last picture is Lukas the Trickster.

Thanks for posting those

Unfortunately I don't like the look of those miniatures at all.

what is the currency pictured so that I can work out the prices.

edit: never mind

The Unending wrote:what is the currency pictured so that I can work out the prices.

Euro


For me, all those animal heads, tails and other furs on the plastics better be optional parts, otherwise I am not buying. I do like the armour and the symbols on it a lot, and the weapons look great too (after I remove some of the tails hanging from the bolters) But those furs and animal heads better be separate, optional parts.

And that wolf looks slowed Imo.

Ummm ... a bit underwhelmed here. I was really excited about new Space Wolves and the rumors of the Wolf Rider had me stoked !!!

That "wolf" doesn't even look like a wolf !! The muzzle is too short and cat-like and the "fur" looks like the top of a lemon merangue pie !!!!

And what ?? When did the Space Wolves become a bunch of unkempt, homeless bums in power armor ?!?!! (Sorry, no offense to unkempt, homeless folks intended).

I think there will be a helmeted head for every model included as well, so I'm not worried about that part. Some of those bare heads look good enough. Warhammer Fantasy Chaos players will probably want some of these heads.

I'm worried about the pelts on the Wolf Guard being part of the legs. That would suck monkey balls.

The Lightning Clawed Wolf Guard Terminator and the double handed axe do look very good though.

Nice to see multipart plastic kits.

and again from spain....

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the terminators look nice (and from the spoilers above can be individually outfitted so they'll come with plenty of weapons to choose from). canis, on the other hand, looks like bad anime; that model is horrible. i'm suprised he doesn't have huge eyes and his mouth isn't open with little exclamation points modelled next to it...

The wolf rider and mount don't do it for me.

I know 40k is supposed to be OTT, but DANG! That looks just odd. In keeping with Rough Riders and Blood Crushers I expected a little more.

But I guess when you think in your mind "Aw that would be so cool to have a SM ride a Wolf" this is what you get. I like a few of the Termi's and Guardians, but overall the whole range just looks a bit silly. 13th Company look pretty sweet, so how'd we get to this point?

Really?

And I guess the previous rumor about them not getting Storm Shields has been put down?

The first word that comes to mind when I see those models is Wacky. Don't ask me why, I couldn't tell you. Wacky with a capital Blue.