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Ahh ok then.

Funny that you guys dont get the English one then....when its still available elsewhere.

Seems like they want to cut costs shipping the ting to Sweden?

Which doesnt make any sense as well.

Just for the record: The German DH and WH Codices are OOP for 2-3 years now.
And GW Europe has only one warehouse, and that is located in the UK. So all Codices must be shipped.

Sidstyler wrote:Crossbow spar? On a rifle?

That sounds kinda stupid actually...haven't even seen a model yet and I'm already worried.

It might end up looking like the old Shuri-Cats used to look; they had a kind cross-bar piece on them.

Erasoketa wrote:

Purge the Heretic wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:

VikingScott wrote:^ yep. They are sob.

Thanks Sir. I don't know why people say they are Ecclesiarchy :S

Because the sisters of battle (Adeptus Sororitas) are the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy

ALL sisters are ecclesiarchy units.

This is what happens when I have to buy the Codex in English because the Spanish was discontinued earlier. That I don't understand the half of what I read \o/

I was thinking in Ecclesiarchy as an organization that collaborates with SoB orders (being SoB an external organization), and not thinking in Ecclesiarchy as an organization including or ruling the SoB orders in it's own core.

Look at the almost top right of page 59. The SoB are also the ordo millitant for the ordo heriticus.

Wow...in reading the last page and a half I count no less than tree seperate topics in this post....at least four now with my interjection.

Saldiven wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Crossbow spar? On a rifle?

That sounds kinda stupid actually...haven't even seen a model yet and I'm already worried.

It might end up looking like the old Shuri-Cats used to look; they had a kind cross-bar piece on them.

This. From what I gathered(it was relatively small), it's purely decorative.

Ok, I think that it is about time I put in my two cents, so here goes:

DE: Personally I could care less. I may read the codex, but I don't plan on playing space elves dark or otherwise. But I do think that this is a good way to show that xeno armies can make GW money. But for now sorry, I will be voting on the power armor until Tau get an update.

BT: Those who don't think that they need an up date well I disagree; the main point is BT technically can't assault out of a Land Raider (reason why I went with gen SM for my first army). Also, for those who don't think that they are different enough to get there own codex all I have to say is the they fallow the Codex Astartes less then SW (aka not at all) and they are the nuttiest marines of the bunch. Plus I can see Stormraven in the new codex.

DA: I personally think they can wait a bit for an update (all they have is high costs and low options at the moment). And in this time GW can come up with stuff to justify there own codex.

GK/SoB/Inquisition: They all need to be updated even more then BT. And this update could be done so many ways it is almost too much to speculate. But I do agree with those that believe it would be dumb for GW to give up on any of them, and I think that it would not be a bad idea for GW to add Deathwatch and Rogue Traders to they lineup.

I am kinda new so feel free to comment.

JWDD, I want pictures of you paying up if this happens. But, that is all the ribbing I will give you because GW's track record is reasonable grounds for the cynicism you've had on this subject.

My guess is the releases will lay out something like:

1) DE

2) Forces of the Imperium(X-mas release to sell lots of Imperium models)

3) Necrons

4) DA

5) Tau

6) BT

7) Eldar

8) 6th ed

9) SM

10) IG

11) Chaos

After doing some checking on late 4th ed releases and what still needs to be done. Assuming 4 releases per year, I think.

Aug. 2010 DE
Nov. 2010 GK
Fed. 2011 Necrons
May 2011 BT
Aug. 2011 Tau
Nov. 2011 DA
-->Start Seeing 6th ed peaking through
Feb. 2012 Eldar
May. Forces of the Imperium
July 2012 6th ed Box Eldar Vs. SM
Aug 2012 SM
Nov. 2012 Orks
Feb 2013 Chaos SM

At that point every thing is either 5th or 6th eds then it is getting EXTREMELY fuzzy on what will come next. It could be something updated or something new.

Reasons for this is that there have been no less then 4 years between editions (except for the first editions of WHFB).

Personally I think Eldar would get an update before Tau, if the only reason for that is their Codex is older. Tau had a revamp just before 5th was released, I can't see it being done til last.

Not trying to pick a fight.

From my research they were both released on 06 first Tau and then Eldar and from what I understand Eldar have faired better then Tau when it comes to 5th ed (also there from people I have talked to it had a bit if 5th ed in mind during the writing of the Eldar codex).

But with the Spearhead being released in June we could have the color of our Eldar mixed up.

BTW sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_(Warhammer_40,000)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Tau_Empire_(4th_Edition)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Eldar_(4th_Edition)

I think Chaos would be the second 6th ed release, after only Space Marines.

Ooooh, I hope Eldar aren't stuck coming out right before the new edition, with the attendant usability rollercoaster (broken-to-balanced-to-too weak) that they had this last time. The few months of brokenness encouraged army choices (and mode buys) that were totally useless shortly thereafter. I guess magnetizing makes that less of a problem, but it still sucks to see your conversions all become useless.

/whining

But a new BT codex would be great.

DAs can counts-as easily, so they're less screwed than Necrons or BT. Of course that doesn't matter for the release cycle, but just sayin'.

focusedfire wrote:JWDD, I want pictures of you paying up if this happens.

But, that is all the ribbing I will give you because GW's track record is reasonable grounds for the cynicism you've had on this subject.

I believe I've stated this elsewhere / earlier, but I am more than willing to meet Yakface at the LA Bunker at a mutually-convenient and agreeable time for pictures to be taken of me paying off, if and when the Dark Eldar get a Codex by Phil Kelly with minis by Jes Goodwin by 10/10/2010. Hell, I'd even offer to post the picture, but I think Yakface should be given that privilege.

Thanks, that's very fair.

Kervin wrote:Not trying to pick a fight.

From my research they were both released on 06 first Tau and then Eldar and from what I understand Eldar have faired better then Tau when it comes to 5th ed (also there from people I have talked to it had a bit if 5th ed in mind during the writing of the Eldar codex).

But with the Spearhead being released in June we could have the color of our Eldar mixed up.

BTW sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_(Warhammer_40,000)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Tau_Empire_(4th_Edition)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Eldar_(4th_Edition)

Hmm, I thought Tau got a update on their codex like in April before 5th was released. Meh, doesn't really matter as I'd like to see both get good updates.

I heard that a legions codex will be coming out after Inquisitor, Necrons, and Dark-Eldar. The legions codex could be Black-Templar or Dark-Angels, or Chaos: http://media.photobucket.com/image/death%20guard%20codex/desnifter/death_guard_codex_lrg.jpg (Note this is fan-made but would be awesome if true)

I suppose it would be awesome if it were true.

But it isn't.

I think the Inquisition would be before or right after dark eldar

I think the Inquisition with an emphasis on the Ordos Xenos would be particularly good capstone to the releases of Orks, Eldar, Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Necrons. Should they choose to incorporate Demon Hunters and Witchhunters into one all encompassing Inquisitor book, it would also be a good way to usher in a new series of Chaos books(including traitor guardsman).

Does "legions" mean anyone non-codex? Otherwise, I don't think either DA or BT really qualify as "legions".

Dark Angels may not have a homeworld, but they are very much a codex chapter in their organization, with only Death- and Raven-wings being mild deviations.

The Black Templar are also fleet-based, have a completely wacky organization, and are more numerous than the average Chapter, but they are still nowhere the size of the original Legions, plus they are very dispersed.

All that aside, if the next few books are indeed GK, DE, and Necrons, speculating that Black Templar come after isn't complete insanity. With DE and Necrons, that's two non-Marine races in a row, and Black Templar will have the oldest loyalist Marine book at that point.

So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Black Templar, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Dark Angels, Eldar, Chaos, 6th edition?

Terminus wrote:
So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Black Templar, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Dark Angels, Eldar, Chaos, 6th edition?

Wouldnt you like to think that.

Terminus wrote:Does "legions" mean anyone non-codex? Otherwise, I don't think either DA or BT really qualify as "legions".

Dark Angels may not have a homeworld, but they are very much a codex chapter in their organization, with only Death- and Raven-wings being mild deviations.

The Black Templar are also fleet-based, have a completely wacky organization, and are more numerous than the average Chapter, but they are still nowhere the size of the original Legions, plus they are very dispersed.

All that aside, if the next few books are indeed GK, DE, and Necrons, speculating that Black Templar come after isn't complete insanity. With DE and Necrons, that's two non-Marine races in a row, and Black Templar will have the oldest loyalist Marine book at that point.

So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Black Templar, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Dark Angels, Eldar, Chaos, 6th edition?

Try DE, then GK, then Necrons, BT, Tau, Sisters, Eldar, DA, and Chaos

Nightwatch wrote:

Terminus wrote:So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, ..., 6th edition?

Try DE, then GK, ...

You got something announced by GW that you can hang that on?

mrwittwer wrote:

Terminus wrote:
So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Black Templar, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Dark Angels, Eldar, Chaos, 6th edition?

Wouldnt you like to think that.

Well, since he wrote it, I'm guessing... yes, he would?

Of course, feel free to tell us what will actually happen.

MrNurgle wrote:I heard that a legions codex will be coming out after Inquisitor, Necrons, and Dark-Eldar. The legions codex could be Black-Templar or Dark-Angels, or Chaos

well if it's a legion codex it's gonna be Chaos, this has been rumoured for awhile now so much so that my friend thinks it might be the next codex (doubt it though)

Alpharius wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:

Terminus wrote:
So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Black Templar, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Dark Angels, Eldar, Chaos, 6th edition?

Wouldnt you like to think that.

Well, since he wrote it, I'm guessing... yes, he would?

Of course, feel free to tell us what will actually happen.

Im not saying i know what will happen, im saying nobody knows what will happen. Just because it seems that would be the logical order to us, doesnt mean GW will see it the same. Speculation is fine and all but to lay down a specific order really has no weight. GW will do whatever they believe will make them the most money at the time, just like any business will.

mrwittwer wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:

Terminus wrote:
So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Black Templar, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Dark Angels, Eldar, Chaos, 6th edition?

Wouldnt you like to think that.

Well, since he wrote it, I'm guessing... yes, he would?

Of course, feel free to tell us what will actually happen.

Im not saying i know what will happen, im saying nobody knows what will happen. Just because it seems that would be the logical order to us, doesnt mean GW will see it the same. Speculation is fine and all but to lay down a specific order really has no weight. GW will do whatever they believe will make them the most money at the time, just like any business will.

Fair, and true, enough!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Nightwatch wrote:

Terminus wrote:So Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons, ..., 6th edition?

Try DE, then GK, ...

You got something announced by GW that you can hang that on?

Nope, not at all. But people have remarked on the whole Imperium, Other, Imperium, Other pattern that appears from time to time and mine fits better than his does. Not to mention Reds8n has posted his affirmations that DE are getting themselves worked on for a release soon....unless that got disproved? If it did I missed it. Sorry....

@NW: no biggie - I was just wondering if there's something official that I missed.

Well, the first three books were Space Marines -> Imperial Guard -> Space Wolves, so the pattern is more like Space Marines -> Other -> Space Marine -> Other, etc.

I placed GK before DE because the most recent rumors said they have beaten out DE for first release, and the DE will hit stores around Christmas. I don't really care if the DE come first (and that would be in keeping with the pattern). I'll definitely be buying the new GK stuff regardless of their rules, so the longer I can put off that expense, the better. Plus, that order gives me another solid six months of owning face with my allied Inquisitor Lord.