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I judge whether or not it is a Marine codex by whether or not they are Marines in fluff, rather than how different they may or may not be from Codex: Space Marines.

But then, fluff is really the only reason I play 40k over any other system, or... actually the only reason why I play tabletop games at all.

I'm kind of that way, too, although not by plan. Do any other games catch your interest at all?

Honestly? Not really. Flames of War kinda, but for entirely different reasons.

Yeah, I'd rank the worst GW fluff way above the likes of AT-43 or even PP. I actually don't know why I both writing "even" there. That kind of puts these ranks in perspective , no?

Why did somebody someware post that DAs are emo? What whould make people think that?

That joke has some age on it. It's a jab at them having all these "dark" (melodramatic) secrets.

oooook. note to the Dark angles. Emos wear black, not green

All DA used to wear black. Now only the Fallen (life is pain) and the Ravenwing do. When asked about this, Chapter Master Azrael said that wearing black was for conformists. Cypher and Sammael, meanwhile, said that they were so nonconformist that they refused to try and fit in with Azrael and the rest of the popular kids.

lol

TheAngelKing47 wrote:While I whole heartedly LOVE CSM, mostly Khorne although I like the original fluff on Khorne better than the purely mindless. But nothing says you can't have regular CSM worship Khorne the boxed set even comes with fluffy Khorne icon options. I do think CSM is largely lacking good writing. Basing things largely in the codex off of Black Legion that's failed 13 black crusades isn't it? Doesn't exactly make someone a scary foe.

As far as complaints about CSM I think it kind of sucks not to get something like land speeders or an equivalent. I don't even know what they do I just think they look cool. Since CSM is still in 4th edition (I'm hoping that's the reason at least), land raiders only hold 10 units instead of 12 which without some sort of explanation makes zero sense. I also think Kharn should still have eternal warrior like he used to. But I also roll a ton of 1's.

PS. My first choice would've been IG, Orks or SM for an army. But I'm poor so IG was out of the question. Out of my two friends I'm playing 40k with, one's running SM and one's running Orks. I wanted to do something different.

there is so much wrong in this statement. the reason the Landraider can olny carry 10 people is becuae it has to have room for the lascannon generators. same with normal marne LR. the LRC can seat 12 because it has bolters instead so no need for generators.
From my firend's perspective, the black crusades have done something, they mortally wounded rowboat girlyman, they destoryed the citidel of Kromarch and left the planet a dead world, they managed to slaughter the BA at Mackan.
according to outdated fluff, the 13th black crusade is still being fought arround the eye, so its kind of a stalemate, although in the black crusades the IoM forces chaos back, they cause considerable damage. they pretty much only get defeated when the IoM brings in a tonne of reinforcements.
Yes their fluff sucks and is dated and needs a major overhall. But they shouldn't get the "cool toys" that Codex SM gets because then it will be codex: SM with spikes. Yes I will admit that they need some more vechiles, lets see they have: rhinos, LR, Dreads, predator, defiler, bikes. thats it, they need more varity, more chaos stuff though!

how long have you been playing 40k, cause SM have had the landspeeder since forever and Chaos haven't ever had it. why cause GW is don't use that term as a slur on Dakka sure, but offical fluff has it being discovered during M31 (the HH), but dosn't give a time when but saying it became widely used after that. Its werid that they give all these toys to the SM while saying chaos can't have them because it was made after the HH, whats to stop later tratiors bringing over to chaos in the years after the HH? I have no idea.

Why? Cause the fluff was retconned and it wasn't developed until after the heresy as an assault vehicle. In Tales of Heresy prototype land speeders are mentioned as being used by the Word Bearers.

Melissia wrote:I judge whether or not it is a Marine codex by whether or not they are Marines in fluff, rather than how different they may or may not be from Codex: Space Marines.

But then, fluff is really the only reason I play 40k over any other system, or... actually the only reason why I play tabletop games at all.

Thats an interesting opinion Melissia. Im in it for the 'look' of my armie. I think Eldar are the bee's knee's of awesome but couldnt care less about their history. I tend to make up my own fluff.

As for 40k fluff in general I don't really enjoy it much. Maybe its because of all the marine armies and books. They seem to flood this game to the point I feel like im drowning and I just hate reading\hearing about it sometimes.

Now, write up the next review and bring me pie.

OoieGoie wrote:Thats an interesting opinion Melissia. Im in it for the 'look' of my armie. I think Eldar are the bee's knee's of awesome but couldnt care less about their history. I tend to make up my own fluff.

As for 40k fluff in general I don't really enjoy it much. Maybe its because of all the marine armies and books. They seem to flood this game to the point I feel like im drowning and I just hate reading\hearing about it sometimes.

Now, write up the next review and bring me pie.

Have you read Path of the Warrior? It was bloody brilliant, and the first Xenos book that succeeded in capturing how interesting things OTHER than humans can be.

I thought that was Deff Skwadron.

Though technically it isn't a book anymore, just a series of images.

That was comedy though, while awesome. I'm talking novel-length stuff.

True, but I tend to ignore BL novels anyway (it's rare that they're actually particularly good, personally I prefer the Battletech/Mechwarrior series from a literary perspective).

I really enjoy Warmachine stuff at the moment, I haven't experienced any sort of steampunk fiction before though so that may be why.

Any suggestions?

Manchu wrote:All DA used to wear black. Now only the Fallen (life is pain) and the Ravenwing do. When asked about this, Chapter Master Azrael said that wearing black was for conformists. Cypher and Sammael, meanwhile, said that they were so nonconformist that they refused to try and fit in with Azrael and the rest of the popular kids.

Hahaha

Well, I bet that Blood Angels are next.

But then again, my bets in Just Dave's thread were pretty catastrophic......

Prediction for top 4: BAs, SoB, Orks, IG!

C:WH is an awful book. It really belongs at the bottom of the list. We'll see hwo high even Melissa ranks it. (But I know she's not a huge fan, either.) Frankly, I'm surprised it's above BT and DA. Both of them are far better.

Melissia, can you edit the original topic and put all the reviews on there, it would make the reviews a lot easier to read

Melissia wrote:True, but I tend to ignore BL novels anyway (it's rare that they're actually particularly good, personally I prefer the Battletech/Mechwarrior series from a literary perspective).

Ah, that explains some of the holes in your background knowledge then.

You should probably give them a try - at least some of them!

They have picked up a few more good authors, and a lot of the stuff coming out these days is pretty good.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Prediction for top 4: BAs, SoB, Orks, IG!

Nope.

Alpharius wrote:You should probably give them a try - at least some of them!

They have picked up a few more good authors, and a lot of the stuff coming out these days is pretty good.

This is very true. Melissa, you may especially like Cadian Blood by Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

Oh, I do read the Guard novels.

Those are the minority of BL novels, however.

Have you snagged Fear the Alien yet? Haven't read the Ork story but the DE one was tops. I'm sad to say that Matt Farrer's yarn was well below what I expected from him, however.

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Prediction for top 4: BAs, SoB, Orks, IG!

Nope.

Damn, Do i at least have the groups right?


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Manchu wrote:C:WH is an awful book. It really belongs at the bottom of the list. We'll see hwo high even Melissa ranks it. (But I know she's not a huge fan, either.) Frankly, I'm surprised it's above BT and DA. Both of them are far better.

I think its the factions overall not just the codices right?

Excuse me, Commisar Agro, but in the current (5th ed.) general space marine codex, Land Raiders (lascannon ones) hold 12 troops/6 terminators, and crusaders hold 16 troops/8 terminators, with the redeemer holding the standard 12. Don't know what army book you're using, but that's what mine says.

scubasteve04 wrote:Melissia, can you edit the original topic and put all the reviews on there, it would make the reviews a lot easier to read

I second the motion.

I'd enjoy this thread a lot more if I didn't have to scroll through 10 pages of misogyny and trolling to get the rankings! Yes, I know that was a general statement. If you don't think you're behaving in the manner I just described, I'm probably not talking about you.

I'm just curious on this one: Are any of the codices you've ranked at the bottom redeemable in any way? It seems you'd be willing to bump up the Templars or Necrons if they got new books, but something about the tone suggests CSM and Tyranids are consigned the depths of failure for all eternity, in your opinion.

Is there anything that could be changed to make those factions more acceptable? Or is it the core principles behind them that you consider to be poor.

Two of my three factions are already way at the bottom, but I'm still holding out hope that Chaos Daemons will come at least in the top half!