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While trawling the Mantic site a few weeks ago, I've seen something that may hint a bit towards this game Warpath.....try to follow my logic.

"Recently" Mantic has gone into a trade partnership with Hasslefree miniatures, selling their "Sci Fi" girls....when I first saw this, I coudn't quite understand why Mantic, who up until that point were predominantly a fantasy miniatures company, would strike such a contrast in their offered ranges.....

Fast forward to the announcement, and things are starting to make sense....I think we can safely assume there will be Space Dwarves....and guess who has been running a range of Space Dwarves (auite successfully I might add) for a while now....ever heard of Grymn? These are lovely miniatures (I own some) from Kev White!

Whether they Mantic would use those as a basis for the Warpath dwarves seems like a logical step.....

Now for my next leap of "logic"....Kev White is also behind some of the sculpting for another Sci Fi range, that strangely has no game attached to it, and yet, they seem to be ramping up....but for what? Yes, I'm talking about Studio McVey and it's Sedition Wars.....now, could it be that Warpath is simply a working name for the real project? and could it be that Sedition Wars with the exquisite fluff that has been generated for it is really the game that Mantic will release....?

The second part may seem far fetched, but, if Mantic really did use the dwarves from Hasslefree and the Sedition Wars miniatures and fluff as a basis for their new game....I would pretty much stake my house on it being a hit....

If by some long shot, I'm right....WH40K is in for a world of hurt.

bubblesflood wrote:<message redacted --Janthkin>

Darth Ronnie, Thailand, lady-boys, all of these things, into a wonderful Sci Fi game you will make.....

Warpath: A sci-fi game of lady boys in spaaaace!

Interesting observations Delephont

The Grymms and Sedition Wars models are very nice from what I have seen on the laptop. With that sort of quality mini Warpath could create a stir.

With downloadable rules you would have some top figures to test play with.

Space Dwarves with a slightly Grymm look to them would be okay, but I'd be happier if they made them into aliens rather than straight human analogues. Those little suit wearing guys from Mass Effect, Sontarans, Demiurg, Yoda- plenty of pint sized sci fi goodness out there, it doesn't have to be beards and noseguards in SPAAAAAAACE.

Hatin' on dat dogtank, do not want. Wants something new and interesting and definitely more interested in a range that takes itself seriously. If they just do 40K mk 2 I'll be quite disappointed. I'd rather see Human Faction, Other Human Faction, High Tech Alien Faction, Low Tech Alien Faction, Alien Faction with a Weird Social Structure and Bestial Alien faction. Mebbe Killer AI faction too. (Pretty sure we're getting space elves, space undead, space Dwarves, space orcs and space whatever elses though).

The other thing I really really want to see is dynamic and affordable plastic vehicle kits. GW do some great kits but as always price is the issue. I'd love to see some new and interesting stuff coming out that isn't just Not Leman Russ, Not Falcon Grav tank.
Unfortunately, if new and interesting equals completely stupid looking and pointlessly gimmicky design, will not want and will not buy.

How many of the people that whined about Elves actually had interest in Elves to start with?

I liked the undead , which i also loved the model. They are better and cheaper than GW's and you know there is one common thing about mantic units that are surperior than GW's?

They look absolutely beautiful when they are together in their large units, not just mass rolls of inanimate statues , but rather alive and animated .

That is something I have noticed with the Mantics, Luna. When together in the movement tray they look really good. I wholly agree with your assesment.

Also I am convinced that the painting style of the individual models is less conducive to looking good on camera.
It somehow is not as photogenic as the 'eavy metal style.

I have seen several comments about how Mantics look better in the flesh, and have seen the Abyssal Dwarves on a turntable on video and they looked so much better than the static pics.

One thing worthy of noting.

The way GW's heavy metal paint style has changed. Lots of their current style have one high priority. Which is to high light to emphasize a sculpt's detail and shape.

Which is safe to say, GW use their painting as a way to enhance the shape and form of the sculpts ( not to mention they have better paintings )

With those 2 things factored in, Mantic cannot possibly compete like that for the pics of their painted products.

Which i personally think.... will hurt them ALOT.

Thanks Luna
Confirms what I was thinking.

The Eavy Metal style probably becomes a "standard" for people entering the hobby, and a lot do via GW. So when they see Mantics painted figures they will not look as impressive.

TBH seeing various other styles of painting on Dakka was a revelation for me as I was used to the GW housestyle. For me it was refreshing as I am not keen on the artificiality of the emphasis on the highlighting of details and edges.

That is not to take away from the skill of the painters nor slight those that prefer the Eavy Metal style.

Has a date been released for the warpath week on BOW

No, the GW ""Eavy Metal" days have come and gone.


The stuff is now out there only to just to sell lickies and chewies, not so much to emphisis new army construction and paint variation. As to the Elves, like I said, I hate pointies on a good day. More Elvis in Vegas? Yeah, thats always a good thing, but the elves were only one of the points of just throwing false hopes and dreams on Mantic when all they have done so far is to bring out another fantasy game and some new sculpts. That issue of the elves wasn't even a main one. THAT part of the conversations come and gone.

The point of that conversation was that the only thing different in those elves was a matter of perspective. All of the miniatures to date are just variations on a theme, and one to the other, you really can't say ones any better then the other, it is a sense of proportions, the style, the prespective. Nothing there is anything different, or stands out and says "WOW".
The allure of them is that they are reasonable, and not coming from a company that as of late is being run by a team of flying monkeys. That Mantic has a proportionate investment in not !@#$ing off the customer, and having er... Mr. Cavatore on board, a name that people can relate to.

At the end of the day, don't get wrapped around the elves, we were discussing prospective of the collective works, not really pointing at one or two sculpts.


Luna. GW's "Eavy Metal" painters... ARE Mantics. There seems to be more then a fair shair of unemployed model painters, and watching GW self destruct and see them try to hold onto past glory, all the while flushing it down the toilet, is not really competition. I can confidently predict that Mantic could crap in a hat, and it would come across to the general public 100% better then GW has with thier shenanigans of the past couple of weeks.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Thanks Luna
Confirms what I was thinking.

The Eavy Metal style probably becomes a "standard" for people entering the hobby, and a lot do via GW. So when they see Mantics painted figures they will not look as impressive.

TBH seeing various other styles of painting on Dakka was a revelation for me as I was used to the GW housestyle. For me it was refreshing as I am not keen on the artificiality of the emphasis on the highlighting of details and edges.

That is not to take away from the skill of the painters nor slight those that prefer the Eavy Metal style.

Agreed.. Never been a big fan of highlighting every edge either

For those wanting to know more about Mantic's new game, be sure to go to the Open Day on the 9th of July (not too sure if this date has changed since the last announcement). More details can be found here.

To quote the main article:

We’ve been inundated with requests for more information about the Open Day and Warpath and, well, today we can satisfy one of those requests… the Open Day of course!

First up, the location… The Open Day will be held at the location of our new warehouse and offices, which is bigger than the venue of our last event.

The address you’ll need is: Mantic Games (Camtex House), Greasley Street, Bulwell, Nottingham, NG6 8NG

You can press Ronnie and Alessio on

what’s happening with Warpath at the Open Day

Next up, we’re proud to announce that once again, Golem Painting Studio will be attending the event!

Tommie and five-times Golden Demon Winning Dave will be on hand to answer your questions and whether you bring a mantic mini from home or pick one up on the day and take it over to them, they’ll be able offer some pro-tips in getting the best finish on your figures!

Not only this but they will also be judging the inaugural Mantic Painting Competition. There will be three categories for the show, and we’re working on an online category (which we’ve got a few plans for which we’re just finialising!) for any of you who cannot attend. For full details on the painting competition, click here.

And if promises of the linked Kings of War and Dwarf King’s Hold game, painting competition and Alessio, Jake and Golem’s attendance isn’t enough, we’re still got even more to announce, so make sure you are signed up to the newsletter. Of course, you could just attend to find out what all the fuss is over Warpath… but make sure you’ve booked your tickets!

It sounds like it's going to be a great day! It's at a different location than before. Can't wait for the painting competition!

BoW have announced the Alpha testing will be starting soon.
It will be in the "Backstage Pass" which is available for a monthly subscription. (£3.79)

For initial thought on what they have seen so far
http://www.beastsofwar.com/

note that the new servers will be going online soon.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:BoW have announced the Alpha testing will be starting soon.
It will be in the "Backstage Pass" which is available for a monthly subscription. (£3.79)

For initial thought on what they have seen so far
http://www.beastsofwar.com/

note that the new servers will be going online soon.

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Exciting stuff.

SPACE DWARFS ARE COMING WOOO HOOO

BALLS! I don't wanna and wont pay to beta test.

I hope the proposed rules get released somewhere.

lukewild1982 wrote:SPACE DWARFS ARE COMING WOOO HOOO

Definitely +1 on that!

ChocolateGork wrote:BALLS! I don't wanna and wont pay to beta test.

I hope the proposed rules get released somewhere.

It's actually just an Alpha test. The Beta will be open to the public come fall, at least according to Ronnie during last weeks Turn 8. This Alpha test is just a little reward to people who signed up for the BoW Backstage thing.

Mantic releasing a sci-fi game?...this will be interesting

ChocolateGork wrote:BALLS! I don't wanna and wont pay to beta test.

I hope the proposed rules get released somewhere.

As I understand it, and stand to be corrected if not, this initial stage of testing will be done "Backstage"
However, the Beta Rules wiill be free like the KoW rules were.

So fret ye not young Chocky!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

ChocolateGork wrote:BALLS! I don't wanna and wont pay to beta test.

I hope the proposed rules get released somewhere.

As I understand it, and stand to be corrected if not, this initial stage of testing will be done "Backstage"
However, the Beta Rules wiill be free like the KoW rules were.

So fret ye not young Chocky!

Aye indeed; the Alpha rules are in the possession of Backstage members right now. They are remarkably thorough, but I need to digest them for a bit before I can say anything meaningful.

Was tempted to get a backstage pass but downloaded some rules instead so my gaming budget has been spent this week.

I won't have much opportunity to test them out anyway.
Look forward to seeing the appraisal Buzzsaw.
Crack on lad and spill the beans

ChocolateGork wrote:BALLS! I don't wanna and wont pay to beta test.

I hope the proposed rules get released somewhere.

your not....these are alpha rules....and look fantastic

Stanley Rubric wrote:This Alpha test is just a little reward to people who signed up for the BoW Backstage thing.

Which raises the question: why? If the Turn 8 video is at all indicative of how Beasts of War operate, I know I wouldn't be giving them exclusive rights to make money off a ruleset I'm releasing for free.

well , there not a ruleset, these are alpha rules , and its 3.79 , as BoW said for a month less than a pint!

and from what I read on Matic and watching Turn8 they have a close working realtionship , the costs are for running the website and providing backstage.7

Mantic need the feedback, the publicity for as good as the product is they suffer from GW size , and they need to publicise there product.

Ineveitably BoW will not make money from a ruleset , thats Mantics purview, BoW have been chosen by Matic to be the channel for there Alpha testing , and from even what BoW have said Beta will be open.

The charge for a "Backstage Pass" is to help pay for new and better servers so that the archive of videos can be uploaded for everyone to access, after Youtube went on a wobble.

The Alpha testing is a very juicy carrot to induce people to sign up and get some funding.

Not liking what I'm hearing so far. Looks like it'll be a high model count game where you roll a ton of dice while your opponent stands there and waits for your turn to be over.

Le sigh.

The price of Mantic Games isnt astronomical , and dice counts are fun...

at leaste ther eall rolled at once , not waiting for every model to shoot indvidually..

frozenwastes wrote:Not liking what I'm hearing so far. Looks like it'll be a high model count game where you roll a ton of dice while your opponent stands there and waits for your turn to be over.

Le sigh.

But thats like implying GW wouldnt want us to have high model count armies (*cough horde units ) cough.
only thing is its stupidly expensive.

With Mantic.... "living the dreams"

ne?

I'm looking forward to warpath. Hopefully it will be good a true competitor to 40k might make Gamesworkshop come to their senses.

@Lunahound
I love elves and I have 5 elf armies counting the Space variety and even my chosen nickname is because I like elves and I really don't like the Mantic elves they like anorexic and don't look good next to GW elves at all. I bought a few to add spear elves for 8th edition but well they don't fit well next to GW elves and I don't like the look.

I do like their undead though. I might be picking up more of those for my Vampires to replace the cheese zombies that are simply hands coming out of the ground I cast because I didn't feel like buying tons of gw.