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I have already ordered. I have wasted WAY more money on things potentially dumber than this. At least I will have something to show for it at the end of the day....

I thought about it one more time and then I bought earth reborn for $60 instead.

I got a (subscribed) GW letter today saying that Dreadfleet is almost sold out. They want me to order it asap. Many thanks, GW, for this message. But I leave it to the other to buy it.

It won't actually be "sold out", there will just be dozens of copies sitting on eBay with $300 "Buy It Now" auctions.

Gosh this makes things interesting!
Will they sell out before WD hits the shelves?
Will Dread Fleet still be available 3 weeks after that when subscribers get their copy of the DF edition of WD?

As much as I love naval warfare, I'm afraid I can't justify paying so much for a game I'll likely never play or see anyone playing.

I'm all for re-releasing Battlefleet Gothic, though. Orbital/Space warfare is something I'd love to play, particularly if there was a way to do boarding actions. Those are always fun.

BFG is available as a download. It wouldn't cost anything to look at the rules.

The ships are available from Specialist Games and Forge World.

Sidstyler wrote:

Blarglord wrote:Plus the Orcs and Goblins are not represented, they are the most pirate like IMO.

More than Dark Elves, which are also absent?

The Dark Elf ommission is a bit odd, though I suppose it could be say they're less likely to cooperate with other races, due to generally rocking it around in their own small fleet.

What I'm speculating (and wildly so) is that should this be a success, then a sort of sequel game could be seen at some point. Same rules, different ships, different map, different terrain. Would certainly be one way to do it, and opens it up for the other races (Dark Elves, Brets, Chaos, possibly even Ind/Nippon/Cathay(!) Orc, and erm...yeah, I think that's it!) to get ships in there. To me this is the most sensible way to expand it, as those who missed out first time around also get a self contained game. Sure, those with a Dreadfleet already are paying for extra rules they won't necessarily use (beyond the new ships) but that can always go on Ebay.

Dreadfleet would be an interesting way of testing the waters (hah!) for a "proper" naval wargame, including gauging our reactions to a wide variety of ship designs and factions. With this in mind, the omission of Dark Elves, Orcs and Chaos could simply be because they're already set on including those in the eventual wargame, but are undecided on Khemri, Araby, Dwarfs, Chaos Dwarfs, the various varieties of undead... and want to see what we think. In GW's own special way, by making us pay for being part of their market research.

Of course this is 99.99% too good to be true.

wuestenfux wrote:I got a (subscribed) GW letter today saying that Dreadfleet is almost sold out. They want me to order it asap. Many thanks, GW, for this message. But I leave it to the other to buy it.

Sir, that was noble of you.

Lots of flak has been directed at GW about the whole "limited print run" thing. But I think it's clever. If they just release it with no fanfare, then many people would probably go "hmm, looks nice, maybe I will buy it some day" and then it would be forgotten and would die slow death on the gaming shop shelves like myriad of other games. But when it's LIMITED, many of those people go "omg, if I want it, I have to get it now. One Dreadfleet here!". I also think that it's actually better in building the playerbase. After all, few people want to buy a game which nobody else plays or talks about. Now, Dreadfleet is nearly guaranteed to have at least some sort of playerbase immediately.

I'm also pretty sure that the print run is calculated to bring them in some sort of profit, why would they bother otherwise. Probably not huge money, esp. as most buyers are probably long-term fans who would just use their money on other GW products instead.

Ordered mine today

If the rules are good enough will be put together some rules for my Uncharted Seas fleets - if not I'll do the opposite

Better ideas:

1. Re-release a limited edition of any of the following;

Warhammer Quest/Heroquest
Adeptus Titanicus
Battlefleet Gothic
Gorkamorka and/or a 40k version of Dark Future
Necromunda

2. Revamp and re-release permanent versions of

Blood Bowl
Warhammer Quest/Heroquest (esp. if includng models useful in WFB)
Necromunda (esp. if including models useful in 40k)
(Either Quest or Necro could be a useful way or having "another" starter box for WFB or W40K

3. Release an expansion for Space Hulk. (Although, the audience size is automatically reduced by that having been limited too)

4. Boil my head in vinegar.

The only good thing to say about this is that PERHAPS it is a sign they are letting designers run their pet projects again, instead of focusing purely on what they perceive as customer-wants.

They are running low on stock....I say no more...

Optio wrote:They are running low on stock....I say no more...

Well, we're told they are at any rate!

Optio wrote:They are running low on stock....I say no more...

Suuuuure they are.

If you believe that I also have a really affordable piece real estate on the moon that you might be interested in buying.

Will not be buying, do to the ridiculous cost in my opinion.

If they are nearly sold out already, then they didn't make enough.

People seem to be confusing 'how much money you have' and 'how much you feel something is worth'.

I could afford to buy a dozen Dreadfleets right now without any re-budgeting, but I'd be left with twelve overpriced boxes containing a game that's likely to, snigger, sink without trace shortly after.

£70 is a crazy amount for ten random ships and a new limited edition tabletop game which, by definition, you can't expand on later on. I'd have paid £30 for it, at most.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to retire to the parlour and throw bundles of notes into the fireplace while wearing a top hat. Pip pip.

£30 might be pushing it. Sure, it's a nice price, but is it too nice for a full game? I'd most likely do it at £50, or maybe even £60 (although with £60, you're pushing Starter Set-level prices, which include a full game themselves on top of many more models than DF - AoBR and IoB are great examples of this, IoB probably moreso than AoBR in my opinion).

£70 is too much for something that hasn't garnered a reasonable rate of interest in my area, nor is something any of my friends are interested in playing; I just can't justify throwing that much money at it under these circumstances. At least with 40k and WHFB, there's more than enough variety to keep things fun, and more than enough people willing to play them.

lord_blackfang wrote:Dreadfleet would be an interesting way of testing the waters (hah!) for a "proper" naval wargame...

They already had a proper naval game, that died off, and a proper space naval game, that they don't properly support.

Arclite wrote:As much as I love naval warfare, I'm afraid I can't justify paying so much for a game I'll likely never play or see anyone playing.

I'm all for re-releasing Battlefleet Gothic, though. Orbital/Space warfare is something I'd love to play, particularly if there was a way to do boarding actions. Those are always fun.

There is a game with boarding actions, so far to take over the ship as well. Can't say if you can use the ship afterwards. Haven't gotten to try that yet, but its something you CAN do. Its called firestorm armada and its by spartan games. Good game, straight foward and great price. You can even create your own LEGAL ships to play with. Check em out.

www.spartangames.co.uk

You might even see a few models GW have clearly been inspired by.

Oh, I also said no, mainly as GW has priced me out of thier products and mostly are just full of gak. But also like others have said, its a one off release, plus one ship a race and overly fussy.

Kilkrazy wrote:BFG is available as a download. It wouldn't cost anything to look at the rules.

The ships are available from Specialist Games and Forge World.

On a related note, can anyone tell me why the BFG models are so expensive? Were they always so?

I wish this had been cheaper. I had been on the fence on whether to get this all week, because I liked how everything looked. But a 190 price point for Aus gamers?

I just couldnt justify it immediately at that price. If it had been cheaper it would have been an instant buy from me. It doesnt matter now the preorder dates gone and i dont think theyll be taking any more orders

Although I'm confused, why are there no Dark Elves? Don't they go roaming around on the seas in their Black Arks taking slaves? Seems like a perfect match for this type of thing

Las wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:BFG is available as a download. It wouldn't cost anything to look at the rules.

The ships are available from Specialist Games and Forge World.

On a related note, can anyone tell me why the BFG models are so expensive? Were they always so?

When the game first came out, it came supplied with 2 fleets (loyalist and traitor), IIRC 4 capital ships for each side. You could buy blisters of the smaller escort ships for about 6 or 7GBP, 3 ships in each. I think the boxset was 40GBP when it first came out, but then subsequently went up to 50. If you split the boxset with a friend and took chaos or imperial each, theoretically you were probably talking less than 40 or 50GBP for a reasonably sized fleet with maybe one battleship, the contents of the box and some escorts. So, a pretty reasonably priced wargame by current standards. Obviously you didn't need much in the way of terrain either, although styrofoam asteroids and the like were common - and chucking some mat-black paint on a bit of 6x4 wood and flicking some white paint with a toothbrush and you were ready to go

In my own experience you tended to see mostly Chaos or Imperial fleets because of the boxset, orks which were great for scratch builders, and then later Eldar which were really dirty in the rules and would make a mess of most people if they were played properly, and probably in retrospect were a little overpowered.

It was a damn fine system, albeit a little long-winded sometimes (when you ended up with just a couple of damaged ships circling each other trying to get a good firing range), but definitely deserving of a higher status than being reduced to a tiny corner of the website and the overpriced minis (both GWs and on ebay) it has now

Mate of mine has ordered it. I'll probably end up playing it once or twice.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If they are nearly sold out already, then they didn't make enough.

Why? They make a good profit. No warehousing costs. They move on to the next project. My store, and many others, have product to sell and the game is still available, just not from GW. Chances are my stock moves much quicker than normal, and I sell out and get to move on to the next project.

TBH I took them at their word and assumed it was a limited edtion, rather than the 65000 copies I have heard reported today.
That sounds more like a normal production run

In which case a few more thousand would make more profit. More units produced spreads the fixed costs per unit
The boxes wouldn't be in the warehouse very long if it is as big a hit as they say.

and if we can take them at their word.

Las wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:BFG is available as a download. It wouldn't cost anything to look at the rules.

The ships are available from Specialist Games and Forge World.

On a related note, can anyone tell me why the BFG models are so expensive? Were they always so?

They were never cheap but they are considerably more expensive than most of their rivals now - although it may help that as noted above the entire rules are free downloads which you usually need to purchase with most games (Firestorm, ACTA etc)

As ever usually plenty on ebay at reasinable prices often nicely painted - picked up a very nice Adeptus Mechanicus Titan carrier conversion from there!

On other posts - I was a little dispapointed with the lack of Dark Elves - but the older Uncharted Seas Dragon Lords are not a bad fit. (plus Bone Griffions for your Undead, Dwarf and Chaos Dwaf ship (especially if you mix and match some of the Dystopian wars stuff)) Not sure if anyone else makes cool fantasy ships?

Unfortunatly, no.

The idea of the game really floats my boat (pun intended) but the price and what you get for that price, considering that I can't use any of the models from the game elsewhere, put me off. And, if I think about it, I probably won't have many chances to play it, so I think I'm going to pass. Besides, there are a lot more things I'd like to be able to spend £70 atm.

It's just a shame there are limited stocks, because I may have consiered it later on, or perhaps for Christmas or something.

Norsehawk wrote:no. A one off, game like this doesn't interest me. It looks like it has a whopping 1 ship per force in there, and as such, has limited gameplay. The fact that it is a fire and forget release means that there will be no future releases or expansions to the game. Which means that it's pretty much dead on release.

Huh I didnt even think of that, with only one ship per faction that means there is probably one faction thats broken that everyone will want to use, thus making the game even less interesting over a span of time.

Miraclefish wrote:People seem to be confusing 'how much money you have' and 'how much you feel something is worth'.

I could afford to buy a dozen Dreadfleets right now without any re-budgeting, but I'd be left with twelve overpriced boxes containing a game that's likely to, snigger, sink without trace shortly after.

£70 is a crazy amount for ten random ships and a new limited edition tabletop game which, by definition, you can't expand on later on. I'd have paid £30 for it, at most.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to retire to the parlour and throw bundles of notes into the fireplace while wearing a top hat. Pip pip.

Money fight! Ho ho!

Optio wrote:They are running low on stock....I say no more...

Oh crap they must have sold like 5 by now. There is only 995 left, better get on that.