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Sentinel wrote:I haven't been following this thread through the entire thing, but how long ago has this turned into a wishlisting fest? All these arguments and proposed rules, and why they're stupid, or why they fit with fluff, are all OT.

This is titled a Tau rumor summary. Not "What I'd like to see in the next Tau codex".

If you can't contribute to the Tau rumor discussion, don't post it here. I know I've seen other threads for wishlisting.

Wishlisting is inevitable when there are no rumors to post. The rumored release date was supposedly 2013 or some crap so it's likely there won't be anything new to post for a while.

You're right though, at the moment nothing in this thread is on-topic, so I'm probably going to avoid it until something new comes up.

Sidstyler wrote:

Sentinel wrote:I haven't been following this thread through the entire thing, but how long ago has this turned into a wishlisting fest? All these arguments and proposed rules, and why they're stupid, or why they fit with fluff, are all OT.

This is titled a Tau rumor summary. Not "What I'd like to see in the next Tau codex".

If you can't contribute to the Tau rumor discussion, don't post it here. I know I've seen other threads for wishlisting.

Wishlisting is inevitable when there are no rumors to post. The rumored release date was supposedly 2013 or some crap so it's likely there won't be anything new to post for a while.

You're right though, at the moment nothing in this thread is on-topic, so I'm probably going to avoid it until something new comes up.

Points for not paying attention the rumoured release date is Q1-Q2 2012.......

Sidstyler wrote:

Wishlisting is inevitable when there are no rumors to post. The rumored release date was supposedly 2013 or some crap so it's likely there won't be anything new to post for a while.

Saying it's inevitable doesn't make it right. Sometimes people need to be reminded what certain threads are for. If you have a rumor, post it here. If not, don't keep bringing it to the top of my subscribed threads.

Sentinel wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Wishlisting is inevitable when there are no rumors to post. The rumored release date was supposedly 2013 or some crap so it's likely there won't be anything new to post for a while.

Saying it's inevitable doesn't make it right. Sometimes people need to be reminded what certain threads are for. If you have a rumor, post it here. If not, don't keep bringing it to the top of my subscribed threads.

In their defense, the thread was moved to discussions for a while so a large part of the wishlisting prior to a week ago was completely appropriate.

KarlPedder wrote:Points for not paying attention the rumoured release date is Q1-Q2 2012.......

No, I've been paying attention, I just think Q1-Q2 2012 is very optimistic considering that (as far as I can tell) people have said Black Templars, Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, and 6th edition were all supposed to hit next year, before Tau. That right there is a busy enough schedule as it is, three 40k armies and a new edition...a fourth army in the same year sounds unlikely, unless Tau get pushed ahead of CSM, but the starter set is supposed to have Eldar and CSM in it (according to TheManTheyCallJayne) so I don't see that happening.

So I don't think it's necessarily CRAZY or STUPID to suggest that Tau might not see release until 2013 (I also recall seeing at least one person somewhere say as much, that they would be pushed to 2013...Harry also keeps suggesting that Tau are farther off than we think and that other armies might get pushed ahead of them). At least not nearly enough to warrant you coming in here and calling me out like that. At least this counts as on-topic discussion though, amiright?

Sentinel wrote:Saying it's inevitable doesn't make it right. Sometimes people need to be reminded what certain threads are for. If you have a rumor, post it here. If not, don't keep bringing it to the top of my subscribed threads.

The best part about this post? You didn't post any new rumors. If you really cared so damn much you wouldn't have posted at all, and not made yourself look like a hypocrite for bumping a thread with no new relevant information, just so you could jump a guy's ass for bumping a thread with no new relevant information.

Sentinel wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Wishlisting is inevitable when there are no rumours to post. The rumoured release date was supposedly 2013 or some crap so it's likely there won't be anything new to post for a while.

Saying it's inevitable doesn't make it right. Sometimes people need to be reminded what certain threads are for. If you have a rumour, post it here. If not, don't keep bringing it to the top of my subscribed threads.

If you really find it so offensive, please go ahead and notify the moderators. Nobodies stopping you.

On the other hand, you have a point that everybody should try and move back to discussing what we know and not what we want, that just leads to broken hearts when it doesn't come out like you want it to.

A while back, it mentions that they are going to include the kroot, vespid, demiurg and a mystery race. I'm inclined to think they are going to start showing the Nicassar because they seen to me that they would fit in a slot that the army doesn't have yet with the other races. Thoughts?

Nicassar I think are a non-starter. My understanding is that they are essentially invalids with incredible psychic powers. While the latter might be a fun addition to the game, the former wouldn't be.

Thank you Ledabot. It's not that I'm offended or anything, it's just that I'm waiting for Tau too and pointless chatter gets my goat sometimes.

On topic: I'm not familiar with the Nicassar, but after reading their entry on the Lexicanum (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nicassar#.Tt1qe2OVpkY) I don't think they fit the bill. Carefully hidden by the Tau? Unfit for ground combat? Besides, although the Tau are lacking in any psychic power, I don't think it would fit the fluff or the army to add any. For the same reason that Fantasy Dwarfs don't use magic. Their technology fills the gap.

Maybe one of the other races. There is a few reptilian ones I think, they might be able to use psychic powers if they are like the lizard men. (they have quite a bit of magic, don't they?) I think I've seen someone model a few lizard men as pathfinders or something, can't remember who though.

Edit: About the Nicassar, I don't know if that would stop GW. They don't really mind if they just plow threw old fluff.

I did some lizardman, skink, and carnasaur conversions, to make some home grown tau Aux, but I do alot of conversions .

If they do add any "space Magic" psykers (Nicassar) I would welcome a different slant to them, maybe more of a defensive setup, or a anti-deep strike bubble or some such, from the descriptions of the Nicassar they seem a fairly non violent sort.

P.S. feel free to check my gallery for some lizard-tau goodness .

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:I did some lizardman, skink, and carnasaur conversions, to make some home grown tau Aux, but I do alot of conversions .

If they do add any "space Magic" psykers (Nicassar) I would welcome a different slant to them, maybe more of a defensive setup, or a anti-deep strike bubble or some such, from the descriptions of the Nicassar they seem a fairly non violent sort.

P.S. feel free to check my gallery for some lizard-tau goodness .

Ah yes, It was your goodies. I liked your big tank too. I dont really want to wishlist but maybe they would form some kind of effect like a mekboy custum field or they boost diffrent stats like I or Ld?

Actually now that I think of it, it does kind of make sense to have some sort of anti-psyker buffs added by the Nicassar. Fits with Tau fluff as not having psykers, fits with Nicassar fluff as not being violent, fits with the current trend of making psykers more prevalent in recent codexes.

Sentinel wrote:Actually now that I think of it, it does kind of make sense to have some sort of anti-psyker buffs added by the Nicassar. Fits with Tau fluff as not having psykers, fits with Nicassar fluff as not being violent, fits with the current trend of making psykers more prevalent in recent codexes.

If that's their fluff (I'm not familiar with them personally), I could see them as a sort of commissar-ish upgrade for a firewarrior ethereal honor guard squad with some powers that mess with or benefit reserves as well as negate other powers or provide some Deep Striking protection.

We're going into wish list territory now but what about an HQ unit containing an Ethereal and an honour guard, plus several optional Nicassar, Shapers, etc. Much like an IG HQ unit.

Could be interesting, but I imagine a useful Ethereal ending up something akin to a Commisar

Kilkrazy wrote:We're going into wish list territory now but what about an HQ unit containing an Ethereal and an honour guard, plus several optional Nicassar, Shapers, etc. Much like an IG HQ unit.

Wasn't it specifically rumored that there would be no Royal Court/Archon's Court type unit?

Jefffar wrote:Could be interesting, but I imagine a useful Ethereal ending up something akin to a Commisar

I second this. I remember hearing this too. However, it was from only one source a while back.

Personally, if the Niccassar are supposed to be the non-combatants we have led them to be, I don't think we'll see them on the battlefield. On the other hand, that hasn't stopped the Space Pope and the other Ethereals.

I think it'd be more likely to have Psychic Kroot Shapter with a hood like ability or piece of wargear.

ph34r wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:We're going into wish list territory now but what about an HQ unit containing an Ethereal and an honour guard, plus several optional Nicassar, Shapers, etc. Much like an IG HQ unit.

Wasn't it specifically rumored that there would be no Royal Court/Archon's Court type unit?

Yea,it was but i don't know if by that they ment literaly no units that can split off, etc or bodyguards llike ig or tau have now on both etheral an Shas'o/el commanders

Edit: again with my second though editing. I am wishlisting now (on denying it) but thinking last night and wa thinking it would be cool if the Niccassar made a peace bubble, where combat was not possable and units inside could not fire (except the attached unit anyway) but that would not be a real problem if it was attached to an etheral since they dont have any ranged weapons.

ph34r wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:We're going into wish list territory now but what about an HQ unit containing an Ethereal and an honour guard, plus several optional Nicassar, Shapers, etc. Much like an IG HQ unit.

Wasn't it specifically rumored that there would be no Royal Court/Archon's Court type unit?

The quote in question:

ghost21 wrote:there isnt anything like a court of an archon type thing(which actually would suit tau) theres 4 hq(basic) 3 troops

wyomingfox wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:We're going into wish list territory now but what about an HQ unit containing an Ethereal and an honour guard, plus several optional Nicassar, Shapers, etc. Much like an IG HQ unit.

Wasn't it specifically rumored that there would be no Royal Court/Archon's Court type unit?

The quote in question:

ghost21 wrote:there isnt anything like a court of an archon type thing(which actually would suit tau) theres 4 hq(basic) 3 troops

Well you could take it to meen whatever way you want really. If the other race is Nicassar, I don't think it would apper outside a command structure like that, so its more likely its one of the other races or a completly new one. There was that pic of the four armed guy. Maybe they are going to be an elites choise

Didn't see this in Kroot's Summary:

From 10-21-11:

Liberium Online's Jared Van Kell wrote:The Tau codex belongs to Cruddace, lets get that fact straight. That is all I am going to say on that issue.
Black Templars on the other hand was always going to be Phil Kelly's pet project. The only way Ward or Cruddace would ever get the Black Templars codex off him would be to prise the rough drafts out from his cold...dead...hands.

Unless of course they offered him the Dwarf Army Book...............(whistles innocently).

From 11-18-11:

Jared Von Kell wrote:Some of these rumours [In regards to rumor sumamry posted up on BOLS] are spot on others not so spot on. 4 generic HQs are the Tau Commander, Tau Ethereal, Kroot Master Shaper and Demiurg Ancient. Blisters are, as far as I am aware, a new Tau Ethereal, Demiurg Ancient and 2 special character blisters.

From 11-19-11:

Liberium Online's Jared Von Kell wrote:I've also heard that the Skyray will be getting a better choice of missiles in addition to the Seeker missile which is believed to be S6 AP4 Blast, however you have to choose the missile type at the beginning of the game so you cannot mix and match. Despite the payload ts main role will still be target marking.

From 11-25-11:

Jared Von Kell of Liberium Online wrote:The Demiurg Special character is apparently the one called Iceheart.

The Battletech Mech in question is the Warhammer IIC mech (no joke about the name.) one of the unseen mechs in the battletech universe. The suit itself is quite big, not quite dreadknight sized but it can "brace".....yes Matt Ward does play Spacemarine. The trouble is that it will be competing against Broadsides, Skyrays and Hammerheads, all of which have improved, a lot.

From 11-26-11:

Jared Von Kell of Liberium Online wrote:Well from what I can understand from the mechanic is this. A particular troop type is associated with a particular HQ but in doing so confers a special ability on those troop types.

Tau Ethereal - Unlocks Tau Firewarrior teams.
Tau Fire Commander - Unlocks Tau XV8 Crisis Battlesuit teams.
Kroot Shaper - Unlocks Kroot Carnivore squads.
Demiurg Ancient - Unlocks Demiurg Warrior squads.

I can understand the thought process behind the mechanic from what I know of the basic fluff regarding the Tau.
However I would have thought that Firewarriors would have always remained as basic troops and an Ethereal would have unlocked Honour Guard but it seems from the snippets of info I've been able to peice together that an Ethereal confers Preferred Enemy (Everything) and BS4 on those Firewarrior squads he leads making Honour Guard redundant.

Sorry I misread your question. You referring to the models and I was referring to the rules in my answer as I was in a bit of a hurry when I replied.

As far as I an aware none of the existing plastic kits are going to be changing so the firewarrior and tank models will stay as they are now.

This means you can get your brother started now.

Again sorry for the confusion.

From 11-29-11:

Jared Von Kell of Liberium Online wrote:All that I can say is known about the Demiurg is that they are the Tau's main anti-MEQ unit. How effective they are I cannot say.

From 12-1-11:

Jared Van Kell of Liberium Online wrote:Actually you might be surprised. My sources and the several other rumour mongers have started indicating that Templars might actually be next followed by Tau, this is normally a sign for me that what I am hearing is correct but with recent developments such things are by no means certain.
I have however recently discovered that the Tau are in the proofreading stage of development which means that the codex is written but it has not yet quite gone to the printers. Now this means that all GW have to do is give the nod and the codex can be printed in numbers pretty quickly. All they then have to do is ramp up the advertisement, distribution and product support and we have them ready to go for our very much enjoyment.

Chaos quotes moved to appropriate thread

wyomingfox wrote:
3. Chrono-gladiators are individuals who must keep killing to stop a countdown timer in their heads from killing them. The more they kill the longer it stops.

I don't have any idea how legitimate this rumor is, but regardless, it's the most Warhammer thing I've ever read.

wyomingfox wrote:Is the Topic math or cute Japanese models? I can't tell anymore.

Well, to be honest I've got a lot more experience doing math than I have with cute Japanese models.

Thanks for the updated rumours. Always nice to hear heavy support is gonna have even more competition.

Wait a minute, if we need a character to unlock FWs, kroot, and XV8s, and if there are only two HQ slots, that means we can't have FWs, kroot, and XV8s all in the same army? Or do these only unlock them as troops, like how Ork warbosses unlock Nobs as troops?

Jared Van Kell seems to insinuate that the HQ will unlock the designated unit as troops.

Is this supposed to mean the Tau will have no natural troop choices?

Or are the FW honor guard equivalents, and the Kroot capable of some sort of evolution upgrade because of the shaper?

I dont think I understand.

I would be shocked if you needed to take any kind of HQ to take Fire Warriors as troops. BS4 Fire Warriors I understand, but stock standard Fire Warriors should always be troops.

Agreed. A special character might buff them, somehow. Give them stealth or some other USR. But I would doubt that you had to take _____ to take a firewarrior as a troop.

The basic firewarrior statline would have to be buffed up big time.

The Tau codex belongs to Cruddace, lets get that fact straight. That is all I am going to say on that issue

I Shall weep for all Tau players. Past, present and Future.

Other than that, I find myself Agreeing with Brother SRM, that it would be odd that even stock standard Firewarriors wouldn't always be troops.