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Necros wrote: Sixguns & Sorcery is a working title../quote]

Shame. That'd do quite well for an actual title, too

I'd like to see a giant lizard mount a la Dark Elf cold ones. That would be pretty awesome...or...how about just bring in some dinasaurs. Raptors & Rifles, Lizards & Lawmen

Happy to hear there's lots of ideas floating around for the future of the game.

Blackwater Gulch: Into the Black could be a good name for a Firefly/sci-fi old west expansion.

Yeah we can do all that kind of stuff. A lizardman hero named Sleestax would be cool

There's going to have to be a lot of cannon fodder minis that would probably be like 5 copies of the same 2 sculps for the little things, but I also home to have some really cool large monsters in there for the wow factor.

Still lots of ideas flowing so we'll iron out all the details soon. We may even drop the Blackwater Gulch tag from the name and just have it be it's own game that's "from the makers of Blackwater Gulch" .. and of course still have the same crossover rules and stuff for the players that want that sort of thing. So we'll have the "Historical Western Skirmish Game" and "Fantasy Western Survival Boardgame"

Necros wrote:Yeah we can do all that kind of stuff. A lizardman hero named Sleestax would be cool

I'm...I'm going to allow this.

With an explorer gang of maybe... a Marshal and a brother and sister team of Will and Holly too, maybe?

Yes, they'll be on a routine expedition.

Or, just the Marshall.. Marshall Willinholly, gnomish lawbringer extraordinaire.

Yes! Marshall Willinholly is a Federal Wildlife Marshall, out to capture the dirty ape Susanna, the orangutan. Susanna has fallen in with a couple of drifters, Jay and Bob the Silent.... Who are on a quest to clear their name in California.

Edit- yes, I know this is not land of the lost, but the name of the Marshall was inspired by the show. The tale above is from a completely different movie.

As for Sleestak, I'm onboard 100%, but he has to have a buddy, Enok, who wears a tunic.

Here’s 3 more greens, for the last 2 Bloodwolf figures, plus another one of the Vigilance Committee, Sam Winston.





I’m hoping to have pics of the last 3 Vigilance Committee figures from Brother Vinni later this week, and then that will be it for the 4 main starter sets. After that, we’ll start working on our next wave of figures which will be a 5th starter for a gang of drifters and 3 more Hired Guns. I'll have concepts for them to show off soon

Looking great! I wish I remembered what I selected as my starters!

Any news on production?

We're getting there. We'll be getting the Clancy gang figs all painted up soon for the box art, then it's just a matter of getting them made so they should be ready to go by the end of the month as planned. We'll send those to the Kickstarters that wanted just that gang first, but we won't have everything ready for retail until probably the end of the summer and we'll do a launch for all 4 sets, also a printed rulebook too Planning to unveil it all at once at GenCon

I wouldn't worry about stepping on toes, re: Horror West. Malifaux doesn't really count, IMO, as they cross a few genres, themselves. I've got no experience with Deadlands.

Here's the thing, though... You've got people playing YOUR game... Why send them somewhere else, if you're putting out expansions and they're asking for horror? If you want to create a horror expansion, then do it. It won't be Deadlands, it'll be Blackwater Gulch Horror.

I'd like to see a generic "Weird West" label to go along with BWG. Any non-traditional Western expansion would go under that heading and would be 100% optional, even amongst each other. If you want dwarves and elves, fine. If you want aliens and robots, fine. If you want horror, fine. Want to mix 2 of them, but not all? No problem.

Eric

Good points.. I guess I just wanted to avoid the interweb trolling .. "blah blah they copied off so and so"

Anyway, for the new games, I'm thinking now we will probably do them as optional expansions, but still treated like a whole separate world, just all under BWG as the brand name so to speak. So "Gangfights in the Old West" is the core game.

Then "Sixguns & Sorcery" or whatever we call it will be the fantasy alt universe, humans in that game will be the same figures as the core game, new figures will be for other races and monsters in an adventure board game format. And then that will also add races, magic and monsters to the core skirmish rules. That will probably just be 1-2 page PDF add on.

Either way though I'd like to keep that as more fantasy than horror.. We could do a 3rd horror game.. vamps, werestuff, ghosts & zombies. Like a whole separate 3rd universe.. or build off the fantasy one? So many old ghost stories, hard to ignore em

I'd love to do a sci fi western too.. but that would probably have to be an all new game. Maybe like firefly, with aliens.

Heh, your ideas for a quasi-fantasy component remind me very much of the Dreadful: http://www.nuklearpower.com/dreadful/

Necros wrote:Well what I meant was, it would be a board game, but the stats for the characters and core game mechanics will be the same as the skirmish game, you could easily play the fantasy characters with skirmish rules, and vise versa. Basically 2 different product lines, but both are compatible with each other. just a matter of moving 6 inches, instead of 6 squares. That sort of thing. I'm guessing we would also be offering the figures separately too, so if you didn't want to buy the board game you could just buy the models separately.

I like that a idea a lot. Also helps for introducing people to games. Many people take to a board game better than a regular miniatures game. This would allow you to start with one and move on to the other.


On a seperate note...how close are we getting to the kickstarter stuff shipping out? Well the Bandidos & Clancys in specific...

Clancy's should be done soon.. just got the masters so now it's a matter of getting production molds done and getting the figs. Hoping by the end of the month, or early July. But, that will just be for the Kickstarters. We're going to do a big retail release for all 4 gangs later when they're all ready. Will take a while to package everything anyway.

So the folks that just ordered the clancy gang can get those soon, but if you ordered more gangs you can get the clancys and pay extra shipping for the others, or just wait and get it all at once to save.

What we're going to do is issue every backer an individual virtual gift certificate for the Game Salute online store for the amount you pledged. Then we'll have a special order page for the KS pledge levels, so you will just go there and order what you wanted. Figured this was the best way to go since some people paid for shipping and some didn't. And there were also people that combined orders with other pledgers, so you could both use your gift certificate codes together in one big order if it's shipping to the same place.

Sounds good, looking forward to it.

Just wanted to share some new concept art. These are for characters that were created by high level Kickstarter backers and will be released after the first 4 starter sets (haven’t started sculpting these guys yet).

Speaking of sculpting, we’re still waiting on the final 3 sculpts for the Vigilance Committee and then the first 4 starter sets will be done. We’re working out packaging and all that stuff right now, so I’ll have more details soon. I had hoped to have the first starter set for the Clancy Gang done this month, but there were a lot of delays. Plus, the custom dice and building kits for the Kickstarter backers haven’t arrived yet anyway. but we'll try and get the first starter done asap so the backers that only ordered the Clancy gang can get them first

So, here’s the first 4 new characters. I’ll show off the next 4 in a couple of days

I like all of those fellas.

Here’s a sample of the Clancy Gang starter set cover art. Might do some tweaks here and there, but this is pretty much how all of the boxes will look



In other news, just got pics of the Vigilance Committee sheriff, 2 more figs left and they should be done around the end of the week so I'll show off all 3 when I get the pics

Nice looking box set! Hopefully I will get to see it at the FLGS (once I convince everyone to start playing of course)

Looking good Necros.

Yep, nice stuff, highly anticipated here!

Now I Just need to summon the motivation to finish basing/painting my Whitewash City scenery...

Thanks folks

I should have the master copies of the Bloodwolf tribe today or tomorrow so I'll be getting those painted next. Looks like Clancy's and Bloodwolfs will be done first. The bandidos and Vigilance Committee are still mostly in the hands of Brother Vinni. He'll be sending everything as soon as he finishes the last 2 sculpts. Getting excited now

Also been working on the fantasy game a lot in the background... going to be changing that up quite a bit, no more "tolkein wild west".. gonna be sticking mostly to US/Native American folklore things, and the first game will be all about skinwalkers and wendigos (werewolves and other were-things).

I like it overall, but the figures seem pretty small compaired to the package. Also, I don't feel like the minis 'pop' enough in that picture. Maybe there's too much going on visually in the background with the different colors of the buildings. Also, I don't like the way the guy on the portch has it's base sticking out over the edge. I'd like to see them outside a bank or saloon, as if they just robbed it.

Maybe at some point you could make a blister of objectives, like sacks of money, some TNT, small crates, etc.

Yeah that was just a sample pic. I'm setting up a more dedicated photo area now that will have good lighting, etc. Also have to finish painting my zuzzy matt But, I wanted to put the guy on the porch, since he's so short

Not sure what to do for the Bloodwolf photo though, don't really have any models of teepees or anything. Guess they'll just be out in the woods.

I was thinking about doing a few different sets obstacles and objectives so I'm sure that will happen soon.

Necros wrote:Also been working on the fantasy game a lot in the background... going to be changing that up quite a bit, no more "tolkein wild west".. gonna be sticking mostly to US/Native American folklore things, and the first game will be all about skinwalkers and wendigos (werewolves and other were-things).

Aw. This makes me a little sad.
I was actually looking forward to seeing what you might do with Halfling Gamblers, Dwarven Wrasslers & Elven Sharpshooters (etc.).

Looking forward to seeing what you do with the folklore stuff, though.

Eric

Well the halfling gunslingers aren't dead and gone.. just changing the theme a bit for the next game.. and the other more fantasy stuff could come later, or get it's own whole new world.

Will be keeping goblins though, but they'll be tommyknockers They'll be the henchmen, some melee and some shooty.

There will be a few different levels for the monsters. Critters have 1's for all attributes, but they attack in groups and so 3 of them attacking you would be like 1 attack at Str 3. Then there's beasts, wolf-sized things with stats that equal 25 xp.

Then the goblins as henchmen, and the evil wendigo bosses would be the professional level guys, with the final boss being the same kind of stats as a gang leader, and he'll have a raptory dragony thing for a mount

All of the heroes in the game will have gang leader stats too, so it's not like a skirmish gang where you have to have a bunch of henchmen.

Wow. Sounds cool.
Looks like you've put a lot of excellent thought into it.

Nice.


Eric

Can't wait to have the minis in person, they are all looking great so far.

Here are some preview pics for the leader of the Vigilance Committee, infamous bounty hunter, Rick Dawson.



I’m still waiting on the sculpts for the last 2 VC models, then we’ll finally be done with the sculpts from the Kickstarter

We’re hard at work getting the packaging and other goodies taken care of. Lots of non-glamorous stuff going on behind the scenes. For now, here’s a preview of the Character Card for Wilt Jackson of the Clancy Gang



More to come