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Last thing I am getting from GW model wise is a second Terrorgheist, and the new Empire book. Both are through an online company in the US, so I am still not paying nearly as much as I would otherwise.

Only going for the Terrorgheist as it's hard to make a proxy for that. And the price I am getting it at, it's worth it.

JUMPIN' SWEET JESUS, If those are the US prices....

Oh crap.....

notprop wrote:Possibly. It would Be annoying if it was a really good edition though.

This could be what they are banking on?

I think the flyer hikes are directly related to the new flyer rules that they figure everyone will rush to try. Makes sense to hike the prices in advance rather than later, in case the rules end up underwhelming players after they try them.

And when I see all the SM hulls and the Stormraven being hiked...that smells to me like trying to capitalize on GK popularity. There's some method to the madness here, methinks.

spaceelf wrote:To Infinity ... and beyond.

My thoughts on the matter, basically.

I dunno if I'll stick with GW or not. A lot of this could depend on how the rules for 6th Edition turns out. I'll probably stick to keeping up with the fluff (my favourite part about 40K), Dakka itself and making Fandex's (as that's free!), but otherwise I can't imagine myself collecting much more 40K.

GW's prices are increasing out of all touch with reality. When they're customer base is experiencing stagnant or declining income, they are raising their prices astronomically faster than the rate of inflation, making their products *SIGNIFICANTLY* more expensive in real terms than they used to be. It's not just that it costs more, it's that it all takes a more significant chunk of one's income than it would have several years ago. I know at these prices I wouldn't have started 40k, in many cases more than twice as expensive as they were just 5 or 6 years ago (when inflation would really be about 9-18%, not 200+%).

Codex books were $20 in 2007. Now they're going to be over $40. O_O

For the cost of my current 2000pt IG tournament list, if I had to rebuild it from scratch, I bought 2 Firestorm Armada fleets, an Infinity army, 3 Heavy Gear armies, enough stuff to play different lists for all of those and the books to go with each system. That's what's killing it here.

Just got back from GW.

The manager was not in, but the blue shirt was.

There is a price increase coming for the UK, but he couldn't tell me on what or how much, but did say that I should take advantage of the current prices.

Take that as you will... But there is one coming for us in the UK too.

Lobukia wrote:They're trying to drive new money towards their new flyers and discouraging people from buying what will most likely be weaker units in 2 months any way.

I understand you point, but I tend to disagree and here's why...

GW has an established trend and has even admitted to monetarily pricing units according to 1) How good they are in game and 2) Popularity.

IMO the huge price mark up hints that Land Raiders and other Space Marine tanks may be exponentially awesome in 6th edition. Even better than 5th. The relatively low monetary cost (compared to other vehicles) of the new flyers hints that they will be weak in game and likely used sparingly. So to entice players to actually purchase them despite other, better, but ultimately more expensive options they'll keep the prices on the flyers comparatively low.

Just thinking, my local gaming store is called 4TK. You should expect some 40k games to go on.

I was there on tuesday and on 7 tables not 1 game of 40k being played. There were just two fantasy games running despite there being a league running.

A new guy had come to the club for the first time and wanted to play 40k he'd just started the game and he had some second hand orks in various states of paintedness.

He nearly didn't get a game as we were full and only i just managed squeeze an intro game for him in in time.

Not sure what this means for the hobby.

BTW 4TK is the best club and I love it dearly. You should check it out.

We all complained last year about the price increase for all the good it did us. They aren't listing to us.

The last 2 years their quality has dropped in terms of finecast. Others may disagree but there seems to be a lack of care with some of the newer kits, stormravens, dreadknights, the new SM flyer, I'm not too sure about the necron one either.

There was the battalion rip off with tomb kings £40/50 box with no new models gaining 8 more skeletons and the price almost doubled.

The removal of a carnifex from another.

I will continue to play 40k games but i won't buy anymore stuff other than 2nd hand via ebay now, even then i'll consider hard.

Vaktathi wrote:GW's prices are increasing out of all touch with reality. When they're customer base is experiencing stagnant or declining income, they are raising their prices astronomically faster than the rate of inflation, making their products *SIGNIFICANTLY* more expensive in real terms than they used to be. It's not just that it costs more, it's that it all takes a more significant chunk of one's income than it would have several years ago. I know at these prices I wouldn't have started 40k, in many cases more than twice as expensive as they were just 5 or 6 years ago (when inflation would really be about 9-18%, not 200+%).

Codex books were $20 in 2007. Now they're going to be over $40. O_O

For the cost of my current 2000pt IG tournament list, if I had to rebuild it from scratch, I bought 2 Firestorm Armada fleets, an Infinity army, 3 Heavy Gear armies, enough stuff to play different lists for all of those and the books to go with each system. That's what's killing it here.

Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Why is everyone still hating on Finecast? I've had no problems with the finecast Ork models I've picked up. In fact, they were greatly superior to the old metal ones.

I just bought the last parts for my Necron Army and it cost me this month and next months hobby budget because of the forthcoming price hike.

I dread to think how much it would cost me for what I bought after the hike, but suffice to say, I won't be buying another army ever again from GW.

I'll stick to Necrons and GK.

Amaya wrote:Why is everyone still hating on Finecast? I've had no problems with the finecast Ork models I've picked up. In fact, they were greatly superior to the old metal ones.

Well if yours were fine, then everyone else must be lying, right?

lord_blackfang wrote:

Amaya wrote:Why is everyone still hating on Finecast? I've had no problems with the finecast Ork models I've picked up. In fact, they were greatly superior to the old metal ones.

Well if yours were fine, then everyone else must be lying, right?

No, but I haven't even heard anything locally about terrible problems with Finecast problems. My two friends that play 40k have picked up some Finecast models and also had no problems. I haven't honestly encountered a single issue with them.

The entire affair looks like a big whinefest about change being bad.

Amaya wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Amaya wrote:Why is everyone still hating on Finecast? I've had no problems with the finecast Ork models I've picked up. In fact, they were greatly superior to the old metal ones.

Well if yours were fine, then everyone else must be lying, right?

No, but I haven't even heard anything locally about terrible problems with Finecast problems. My two friends that play 40k have picked up some Finecast models and also had no problems. I haven't honestly encountered a single issue with them.

The entire affair looks like a big whinefest about change being bad.

Not every Finecast model is bad, but the vast majority of them are, people are complaining because the price was increased yet the quality overall is worse.

Maybe we can keep the Finecast complaints in it's own thread, huh?

Change is good when it works. Change is bad when it is poorly executed or when the results are far worse than expected.

I think Jeremy Clarkson said it better... "ambitious, but rubbish".

GW have sorted a lot of the issues out. I've bought some Finecast from when it was first released and have just today bought some Finecast models. The grade of detail is better and the resin is a much better quality. You can actually see it.

But lets get back on topic here.

I keep hearing that most of the items that got increased last year will not be price increased this year, but many of the most popular items like Space Marine vehicles are going up in price again and once again it's mostly not just a buck or two. Example, a Predator tank went from about $40 to $45 last year, now they'll be $57.75. Ouch.

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Skinny on the GW June Price Adjustment
Posted by Man Boy Genius Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Well I just got all the details on the new Price Adjustment from Games Workshop and well I'm still on the fence.

Most items that saw an increase last year, did not receive one this again. For the increase apparently it's only 4% when averaged across the board.

However some items spiked sharply; like the Stormraven to $82 Landraiders to $75. Even transports saw a bump to $37.25 and everyone's favorite demi-transport the Razorback is up to $41.25.

I'm not sure if this is good, but with the fliers coming our next weekend, they just may be what we all needed to stay on target so to speak for the release of 6th edition!

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And if this article from last years adjustment is any indicator, buying now may just save you 40% or more.

MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.

My dilemma is thus:

It's now more apparent that more than one army is overkill. I can only afford one army.

Finish Tau army and sell Marines and IG
Have 2000pt SM army, keep that and sell Tau and IG
Fund IG army by selling SM and Tau.

Impossible choices I didn't want to have to make - a few hundred lost in future revenue for GW.

well this is uncalled for i would love to see what the percentage of profit is for some of these models.

some of it is less heinous dreads and ven dreads went up 4% or 1.75 thats not so bad

bud 37.25 for a rhino they were already a bad deal. This goes for Drop pods as well.

but 70 plus bucks for a land raider C'MON MAN.

Platuan4th wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.

It is not good for new players though.

Maybe now its a case of we have to pick one or two armies and sell the rest.

MetalOxide wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.

It is not good for new players though.

Agreed. Especially since it was a lot less expensive for new players to do back then(Rhinos and Marine squads were $20).

And we complained when we had to increase our 2nd edition armies to fit the new points costs.

Seriously, GW? I have been trying to get Fantasy rolling again for people in a new LGS that opened, but I cannot honestly look people in the face and tell them they should drop this amount of money just to make ONE large block of infantry.

The holes in your wallet can be filled with liquid greenstuff. Don't worry.

Fortunantly there is always E-bay and other online retailers.

Puscifer wrote:Change is good when it works. Change is bad when it is poorly executed or when the results are far worse than expected.

I think Jeremy Clarkson said it better... "ambitious, but rubbish".

GW have sorted a lot of the issues out. I've bought some Finecast from when it was first released and have just today bought some Finecast models. The grade of detail is better and the resin is a much better quality. You can actually see it.

But lets get back on topic here.

Last off topic coment i will make, I bought castellan crow (designed with finecast in mind) last sunday from a new shippment to the shop and the backback was messed up.

Before that i have bought 7 other finecast things all of which have had problems, so quality is an issue from my POV

Yup I had Tau and High elves in progress and tomb kings. MY DAemons nids and marines, just need odds and ends to change them up a bit.

So sold the Tau, and selling the elves, now. Now I'm trying to decide if i should slim another army off. I buy mostly used these days anyways.

Davylove21 wrote:My dilemma is thus:

It's now more apparent that more than one army is overkill. I can only afford one army.

Finish Tau army and sell Marines and IG
Have 2000pt SM army, keep that and sell Tau and IG
Fund IG army by selling SM and Tau.

Impossible choices I didn't want to have to make - a few hundred lost in future revenue for GW.

It can get worse than that for them. If people just start swapping armies and paint stripping low quality models and repainting, they could see a significiant drop in total income. I really hoped (pipe dream) that due to the excellent quality of their plastic stuff, GW would go that way with almost everything; that they would release more boxes like the Grey Knights, Necrons, and Space Wolves that can make several different units and provide a healthy amount of bits; that they would hold their prices during the 6e release, so that new armies and builds would abound (as new rules and tactics develop). They really could have revitalized their brand here... instead they want $75 for a landraider and release an SM flyer that is going to need some serious love to look good (I might get one, but the storm eagle just started looking a lot better, plus if someone is anti IA, I can just field it as a Stormtalon counts as).

Grey Templar wrote:Fortunantly there is always E-bay and other online retailers.

Whose prices will now increase to make up for GW's own inflation.

Yeah, that's a healthy system.