Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Grey Templar wrote:Fortunantly there is always E-bay and other online retailers.

Yep, but theoretically at least they should be forced to increase their prices as well, for the former in particular...

Hmm, I'd be interested in seeing the Canadian price increase list. Unfortunately, I cant find anything, and I cannot rely on US price increases.

obsidianaura wrote:Last off topic coment i will make, I bought castellan crow (designed with finecast in mind) last sunday from a new shippment to the shop and the backback was messed up.

Since Crowe was released in metal months before Finecast was released, I highly doubt he was designed with Finecast in mind.

Lobukia wrote:

Davylove21 wrote:My dilemma is thus:

It's now more apparent that more than one army is overkill. I can only afford one army.

Finish Tau army and sell Marines and IG
Have 2000pt SM army, keep that and sell Tau and IG
Fund IG army by selling SM and Tau.

Impossible choices I didn't want to have to make - a few hundred lost in future revenue for GW.

It can get worse than that for them. If people just start swapping armies and paint stripping low quality models and repainting, they could see a significiant drop in total income. I really hoped (pipe dream) that due to the excellent quality of their plastic stuff, GW would go that way with almost everything; that they would release more boxes like the Grey Knights, Necrons, and Space Wolves that can make several different units and provide a healthy amount of bits; that they would hold their prices during the 6e release, so that new armies and builds would abound (as new rules and tactics develop). They really could have revitalized their brand here... instead they want $75 for a landraider and release an SM flyer that is going to need some serious love to look good (I might get one, but the storm eagle just started looking a lot better, plus if someone is anti IA, I can just field it as a Stormtalon counts as).

I totally agree with you, they're going to need a shake up. I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR. I just don't see that it's possible to continue along this path of hideous price-gouging

Someone's about to suggest a petition.

I Love nerd rage in the morning.

Oh well, it was nice knowing you GW.

I just got a job that would allow me to afford your hideously expensive game and then this happens.

Guess I better start learning WarmaHordes.

Davylove21 wrote: I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR.

Not sure if serious...

Think back to last year and how much you paid for gas.
Think back to last year and how much you paid for a movie ticket.
Think back to five years ago and how much you paid for anything.

I'm not saying GW is right, they advance much much faster than inflation, but it isn't like prices are static over time.

pretre wrote:

Davylove21 wrote: I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR.

Not sure if serious...

Think back to last year and how much you paid for gas.
Think back to last year and how much you paid for a movie ticket.
Think back to five years ago and how much you paid for anything.

I'm not saying GW is right, they advance much much faster than inflation, but it isn't like prices are static over time.

Video games has been stable.

I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.

1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012

Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.

Just something to think about.

Gargantuan wrote:

pretre wrote:

Davylove21 wrote: I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR.

Not sure if serious...

Think back to last year and how much you paid for gas.
Think back to last year and how much you paid for a movie ticket.
Think back to five years ago and how much you paid for anything.

I'm not saying GW is right, they advance much much faster than inflation, but it isn't like prices are static over time.

Video games has been stable.

Well, kind of. The original price is stable, but microtransactions and DLC have jumped in the last 5-10 years which means that although you play $60 for a game, you end up paying a lot more than that.

eldartau1987 wrote:I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.

1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012

Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.

Just something to think about.

By looking at your post and location, I'm going to take three guesses as to who you work for, shill, and the first two don't count.

Ok, just recieved an email from the FLGS that this is taking place but no exact was given in the email.

sharkticon wrote:By looking at your post and location, I'm going to take three guesses as to who you work for, shill, and the first two don't count.

When in doubt, attack the poster.

MetalOxide wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.

It is not good for new players though.

Uh, what the heck is a minimum army size? I've never seen any minimum requirement anywhere. Is this at GW store-run events or something?

eldartau1987 wrote:I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.

1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012

Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.

Just something to think about.

https://www.google.com/finance?hl=en&biw=1600&bih=1099&q=CURRENCY:USDGBP&ei=EA-9T4jVNsr06AGDgLU4&sa=X&oi=currency_onebox&ct=currency_onebox_chart&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CHYQ5QYwAA

Huge fall is defined as?

GW apologists aren't in vogue you know.

I couldn't get any specific info regarding the UK increase.

I know it's happening, but does anyone have a price listing of increases for UK?

I can guess what boxes are included, but I wanted some confirmation.

sharkticon wrote:
By looking at your post and location, I'm going to take three guesses as to who you work for, shill, and the first two don't count.

I didn't realize that Memphis is Games Workshop's Super Duper Awesome Headquarters.

Or that they have a dedicated Internet Forum Poster Apology Division.

If you really want to accuse someone of being a "shill", take a look at their post history before commenting.

Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.

Why on earth are people surprised? This happens every single year.

Don't be so sure that people will buy anyway, they often mean it when they say that they will never buy from GW again. I certainly did and what little I need from GW I can get from Ebay anyway.

GW's revenue has been pretty stable for the last few years yet their prices have risen by between 5-10% annually, in other words their prices rises mask the people who have simply walked away.

kronk wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.

It is not good for new players though.

Uh, what the heck is a minimum army size? I've never seen any minimum requirement anywhere. Is this at GW store-run events or something?

"Minimum army size" tends to mean what you'll see at your typical local tournament. Since the majority of players(whether they'll admit to it or not) at a FLGS play at the points that their local Tourneys play at, that's where they set it.

At least, that's been my experience.

I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.

Video games also have two other things working against price increases that wargames don't.

1) Far more competition. I can play Angry Birds for free. No one manufacturer can raise prices over the competition without offering a much more desirable product.

2) Not a huge barrier to entry/exit. I've sunk thousands of dollars into 40k. My fear isn't that I can't play with my models, but that I'll be left alone with my armies and no opponents. Getting out of 40k means starting an entirely new system where my current investment is useless.

But the prices on video games do creep up. And movies, and concert tickets, and most other entertainment.

A 4% year-over-year increase wouldn't bee seen as too out-of-line, I don't think. It's commensurate with inflation (at least in some places), and they have to pay their employees a cost-of-living wage from somewhere. But when that 4% increase is lumped onto only some products, and those product's prices jump by 25%, even though others didn't change, it's seen as excessive. And I agree - $80+ for a stormraven has pushed sanity.

Shadelkan wrote:Hmm, I'd be interested in seeing the Canadian price increase list. Unfortunately, I cant find anything, and I cannot rely on US price increases.

Miniwargaming posted a video about the price increase as well. They only gave on specific but it seems on par with the US list.

pretre wrote:Well, kind of. The original price is stable, but microtransactions and DLC have jumped in the last 5-10 years which means that although you play $60 for a game, you end up paying a lot more than that.

I'll in agree in part but what the DLC has done (the mandatory ones) is help prolong the life of a single game. Video games can also be categorized under technology, which is a whole different animal of competition.

Platuan4th wrote:

kronk wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750

Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.

It is not good for new players though.

Uh, what the heck is a minimum army size? I've never seen any minimum requirement anywhere. Is this at GW store-run events or something?

"Minimum army size" tends to mean what you'll see at your typical local tournament. Since the majority of players(whether they'll admit to it or not) at a FLGS play at the points that their local Tourneys play at, that's where they set it.

At least, that's been my experience.

Yeah, that's what I meant lol

@eldartau1987

They are a manufacturing business with retail outlets.
People are ok with certain things going up in price over time. However, these things generally go up in ways that we don't really care about. In each of the examples listed earlier, prices have risen across the board from all companies, are generally ok with the intrinsic worth of we are buying, and often don't have an alternative. But we can look at GW and see them selling plastic toys, and we can look at their competitors and see them selling just as good plastic toys for half the price.

The GW hobby is close to a lot of our hearts, and it makes us very sad when we realise we can't actually afford to keep going with it. We see ourselves being priced out of the hobby - and maybe just as importantly, we see potential customers being forced out of the hobby so we won't have anyone to play with: The sticker shock of GW stuff is huge, compared to equivalent and competing forms of entertainment - RTS or RPG video games, card games, other wargames.
We want to love the hobby. But it is slowly bit by bit, being taken from us.

@Trasvi You make a very good point. But people like me -- who don't like the price increase but will still buy nonetheless -- probably don't help the matter either.

Davylove21 wrote:My dilemma is thus:

It's now more apparent that more than one army is overkill. I can only afford one army.

Finish Tau army and sell Marines and IG
Have 2000pt SM army, keep that and sell Tau and IG
Fund IG army by selling SM and Tau.

Impossible choices I didn't want to have to make - a few hundred lost in future revenue for GW.

There are so many viable cheap choices for IG these days. Try getting some Napoleonic minis from Victrix or Perry Miniatures, and some spare lasguns from a bitz supplier (or shell out a little more for Victoria Lamb arms & lasguns to go with the cheap Napoleonics). Vehicles can come from Old Crow or Ramshackle. I suspect that with that approach you could have an IG army for maybe 25% of the price of a GW one, if that. The Napoleonics are ridiculously cheap -- even better value than Mantic's Corporation counts-as IG.

Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.

Video games also have two other things working against price increases that wargames don't.

1) Far more competition. I can play Angry Birds for free. No one manufacturer can raise prices over the competition without offering a much more desirable product.

2) Not a huge barrier to entry/exit. I've sunk thousands of dollars into 40k. My fear isn't that I can't play with my models, but that I'll be left alone with my armies and no opponents. Getting out of 40k means starting an entirely new system where my current investment is useless.

But the prices on video games do creep up. And movies, and concert tickets, and most other entertainment.

A 4% year-over-year increase wouldn't bee seen as too out-of-line, I don't think. It's commensurate with inflation (at least in some places), and they have to pay their employees a cost-of-living wage from somewhere. But when that 4% increase is lumped onto only some products, and those product's prices jump by 25%, even though others didn't change, it's seen as excessive. And I agree - $80+ for a stormraven has pushed sanity.

It's also worth noting that the price of individual video games also goes down over time. I rarely buy a game upon release and instead wait for the price to drop.

Price of entry for game systems has been going up though, hasn't it? i.e. purchasing the game system.

@Trasvi - your point is one of the best I have seen on the topic

I'd expect the new 40K hardback rule book in July to follow the model of WFB and be a $74+ tome of great mass.