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This makes me sad. Not because I might have to pay more. I don't have to pay more because I can choose to buy less. But it makes me sad because I like GW and don't want them to go away. They're pricing themselves out of players slowly.

I'll be foolishly dreaming they lower prices one day.

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Well I'll play when I can but I won't start a new army. It much money. Good thing I have diablo 3 lol

pretre wrote:Price of entry for game systems has been going up though, hasn't it? i.e. purchasing the game system.

not really, especially with PC's.

nowadays a decent GPU costs <$100 and you can use that for a few years, the rest of the PC is pretty much something you should have anyway.
even consoles aren't that much more expensive than their predecessors were during this part of their lifecycle so really, no.

oni wrote:

Lobukia wrote:They're trying to drive new money towards their new flyers and discouraging people from buying what will most likely be weaker units in 2 months any way.

I understand you point, but I tend to disagree and here's why...

GW has an established trend and has even admitted to monetarily pricing units according to 1) How good they are in game and 2) Popularity.

IMO the huge price mark up hints that Land Raiders and other Space Marine tanks may be exponentially awesome in 6th edition. Even better than 5th. The relatively low monetary cost (compared to other vehicles) of the new flyers hints that they will be weak in game and likely used sparingly. So to entice players to actually purchase them despite other, better, but ultimately more expensive options they'll keep the prices on the flyers comparatively low.

Surprised this wasnt said earlier. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the price list. Just another blatant cash grab by GW.

My replacementf for WHF = Warmahordes, and for 40K Im thinking Dust Warfare.


Stopped playing about 3 years ago and havn't missed it at all.

Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.

Basically, this. Out of the dozens of people proclaiming "never again" in this thread, fact is, most of them will be buying loads as soon as the next shiny bit of plastic crack comes out.

Those of us who have opted out of buying from GW don't generally tend to have such a black and white stance on the matter, for instance there are still a few things I buy from GW due to the lack of quality competition.

Terrain was one of them, so the 20% rise on all terrain is annoying... looks like GW finally realised that no-one else makes hard plastic terrain so they realised that the price could do with a hike. /:

Consoles, on the other hand:
PS1: $229
PS2: $249
PS3: $499

PCs are tough to compare, since the technology changes so fast.

Except there is a limited lifespan for most video games and gaming systems.

I have encountered very few video games that I can just keep playing over and over again. I usually get bored within a year. Occasionally I will bust out an older game and play through it again, but for the most part its $35-50 thats down the drain.

With miniature games, the model has a theoretically infinite lifespan. If wargear is invalidated or becomes bad I can fairly easily convert the model.

Basically, all a price hike does is increase the time it takes to build up an army.


On top of this, it also adds value to the models I purchased previously. I can sell them for more now then I could before.

Grey Templar wrote:
With miniature games, the model has a theoretically infinite lifespan. If wargear is invalidated or becomes bad I can fairly easily convert the model.

So what do I use the Gargoyles of Barda and the Birdmen of Catrazza as?

So what do I use the Gargoyles of Barda and the Birdmen of Catrazza as?

Paper weights.

But seriously folks, even "obsolete" units usually can be used as a cool "counts as" other infantry types. If they still look good and already have a nice paint job I'd find an in-game use for them. Swordsmen, spear men, bowmen, flying units, etc., I'm pretty certain those are still usable in Warhammer.

Steampunk roughriders for your IG force?

Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.

Video games also have two other things working against price increases that wargames don't.

1) Far more competition. I can play Angry Birds for free. No one manufacturer can raise prices over the competition without offering a much more desirable product.

2) Not a huge barrier to entry/exit. I've sunk thousands of dollars into 40k. My fear isn't that I can't play with my models, but that I'll be left alone with my armies and no opponents. Getting out of 40k means starting an entirely new system where my current investment is useless.

But the prices on video games do creep up. And movies, and concert tickets, and most other entertainment.

A 4% year-over-year increase wouldn't bee seen as too out-of-line, I don't think. It's commensurate with inflation (at least in some places), and they have to pay their employees a cost-of-living wage from somewhere. But when that 4% increase is lumped onto only some products, and those product's prices jump by 25%, even though others didn't change, it's seen as excessive. And I agree - $80+ for a stormraven has pushed sanity.

At least with Video Games you have the option of waiting for sales on Steam with most of them. I just wait for the summer and holiday sales they have and get games for about $10 each or so. Even new games will be about 40% off at some point within 12 months of coming out. I can't wait for a landraider to go down in cost.

It just doesn't compare. I can understand if someone says it is comparing apples to oranges but in this case they are both just entertainment. I will spend my money on what will get me more entertainment for my money, and I think 40K is becoming too much $ for the entertaiment I get. As it is now, you almost never finish building an army because it takes so long to buy all of it... not even considering how long it takes to build it but just buying it now takes years of expendable income. If I want to build a new army I have to spend money on nothing else for several months, but I could buy a couple new PC games for that money.

I stopped buying GW stuff for full price for the most part a while ago. My local game store takes trade in stuff for store credit, so all my unused D&D, MTG, old video games stuff went towards everything I got in the last couple years. Seeing as I am now out of stuff to trade in and the prices are increasing I just can't justify spending so much on so little.

A new 40K army costs almost as much as a real good gaming PC if you know how to build them yourself. After that it is just new games until about 2 years later when I get another PC.

Platuan4th wrote:So what do I use the Gargoyles of Barda and the Birdmen of Catrazza as?

As exceptions that prove the rule.

Frothmog wrote:At least with Video Games you have the option of waiting for sales on Steam with most of them. I just wait for the summer and holiday sales they have and get games for about $10 each or so. Even new games will be about 40% off at some point within 12 months of coming out. I can't wait for a landraider to go down in cost.

Sure you can. 3rd party sales and resellers.

A new 40K army costs almost as much as a real good gaming PC if you know how to build them yourself. After that it is just new games until about 2 years later when I get another PC.

Totally agree, it is an expensive hobby. The PC has 100% chance of being obsolete in 5 years. The army has probably a 50% chance. Different kind of investment.

scarletsquig wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.

Basically, this. Out of the dozens of people proclaiming "never again" in this thread, fact is, most of them will be buying loads as soon as the next shiny bit of plastic crack comes out.

Those of us who have opted out of buying from GW don't generally tend to have such a black and white stance on the matter, for instance there are still a few things I buy from GW due to the lack of quality competition.

Terrain was one of them, so the 20% rise on all terrain is annoying... looks like GW finally realised that no-one else makes hard plastic terrain so they realised that the price could do with a hike. /:

Terrain, really? Man just go out and find some interesting Styrofoam packing of formed cardboard packing add paint and go. The Styrofoam cutter is cheap and easy, I even made one myself. I bought sheets of Strrofoam once, but I have found so many cool pieces of packing that I never got around to working with the stuff I paid for. Terrain has always been the easiest thing for me to find for free.

Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.

Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).

If anything, there's a better argument for video games having become more affordable due to the lack of advancement in PC hardware requirements, the surging indie game market, and huge discounts afforded by digital retail outlets like Steam. After adjusting for inflation video games are cheaper today than ever before.

Danny Internets wrote:

Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.

Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).

PC games were anywhere for $10-$40 new in the 90's depending on the game and how many discs it had. I think I(over time) paid only about $30-40 for the entire Marathon series.

Games constantly being $50-$60 new is a huge difference if you only occasionally purchased in the 2000's.

I would like to say that i'm not buying from GW again, but I have invested too much time and money in WHFB to stop now. What i hate is now movement trays are now $16, it was $10, FML

Platuan4th wrote:

Danny Internets wrote:

Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.

Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).

PC games were anywhere for $10-$40 in the 90's depending on the game and how many discs it had.

But with pc games you just wait a few months and it's $20 on steam. What really irks me is that GW is taking steel molds that have paid for themselves many times over and raising the price on them, there really is no need for many of the older plastic kits to get a price hike. The Landraider price hike is just insulting.

King of the Elves wrote:I would like to say that i'm not buying from GW again, but I have invested too much time and money in WHFB to stop now. What i hate is now movement trays are now $16, it was $10, FML

GW is far from the only company that sells movement trays for Fantasy.

King of the Elves wrote:I would like to say that i'm not buying from GW again, but I have invested too much time and money in WHFB to stop now. What i hate is now movement trays are now $16, it was $10, FML

Make your own movement trays, its really easy.

GW is far from the only company that sells movement trays for Fantasy.

Yeah it's like saying GW superglue is too expensive.....but I need to glue things so I'll suck it up. You can get it at the dollar store for well.......a dollar. Its all the same chemical. WOW I wonder how much GW superglue will be after the price hike?

Lobukia wrote:It can get worse than that for them. If people just start swapping armies and paint stripping low quality models and repainting, they could see a significiant drop in total income.

Really, I think hobby backlogs are the main danger GW faces when they hike prices. Even a big price hike probably won't create a mass exodus from the hobby, but it's more likely that hobbyists will rein in new spending to work on their backlogged projects and/or that they'll use those backlogs to trade for or buy stuff on the secondary market.

Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.

Personally, I don't freak out about price hikes. If at some point I get priced out (which isn't really likely just because of the armies I already have), then I'll find another way to spend my time. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be upset. I can see how large price hikes would be hard if you're just starting the hobby. I just personally feel somewhat innoculated against GW sticker shock. Heck, I remember being stunned by the price of the new Eldar Aspect Warrior blisters when they were released in 1990 or whenever. "Eight dollars?!? For like three miniatures?!?" LOL.

pretre wrote:The PC has 100% chance of being obsolete in 5 years. The army has probably a 50% chance. Different kind of investment.

$150-$200 for a new graphics card will do wonders for a 5-year old gaming pc. 40k? Gets you 2 Landraiders and a Storm Raven now

reps0l wrote:

pretre wrote:The PC has 100% chance of being obsolete in 5 years. The army has probably a 50% chance. Different kind of investment.

$150-$200 for a new graphics card will do wonders for a 5-year old gaming pc. 40k? Gets you 2 Landraiders and a Storm Raven now

$200 updates your army to a new edition or two. Trust me, I did it with my SW from 3rd to 5th (I missed 4th).

Personally, I don't freak out about price hikes. If at some point I get priced out (which isn't really likely just because of the armies I already have), then I'll find another way to spend my time. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be upset. I can see how large price hikes would be hard if you're just starting the hobby. I just personally feel somewhat innoculated against GW sticker shock. Heck, I remember being stunned by the price of the new Eldar Aspect Warrior blisters when they were released in 1990 or whenever. "Eight dollars?!? For like three miniatures?!?" LOL.

Yes I was shocked too because that was after the big change to lead free, (the first GW swindle) before that I bought aspect warriors 5 for $7. (3 for $7 for dark reapers)
They are $35.50 now, not sure how much after the price hike. That's 500% increase over 20 years.

Danny Internets wrote:Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).

Not completely accurate. Console games have been very dynamic in their pricing for years. The lastest generation sets most titles at $60, the last generation was set at $50, and was that way for a couple generations prior. If my memory serves me right, the last time prices for console games were this high was during the NES generation, and back then, at $45-$60 a game, they were much, much more expensive relative to the prices now. As for PC games, there is no real set price point, with the exception of major studios, who pretty much follow the console gaming price point.

I only restarted my interest in the hobby after a 6 year hiatus when I graduated last July and I already thought prices were high so went straight to ebay for what I wanted.. I was always a painter/modeller rather than a gamer so *needing* to buy stuff for a competitive list doesn't really feature in my purchasing decisions. Now that I've accrued enough stuff to flesh my marines out to a full company (always the plan) I can walk away quite easily. maybe the odd lapse for something nice Forgeworld brings out, but that would be it. The only thing I would miss about GW is model design and conversion opportunities, but, frankly, that's not currently enough to get me to pay £23.00 for a Tac. squad or £31 for a Predator and is unlikely to in the future.

If I ever develop the bug to play again Warmachine or Infinity will probably get my money and of those two I feel Infinity has the nicer models.

spectreoneone wrote:If my memory serves me right, the last time prices for console games were this high was during the NES generation, and back then, at $45-$60 a game, they were much, much more expensive relative to the prices now.

Actually Nintendo 64 (the last of the cartridge games) cost $70 for a new game. It was one of the reasons it never held its own against PS1.

And even then, there is still the consolation that a video game is going to drop in price at least 50% within a year of its release(ignoring any discounts offered by retailers)

GW has no such drop. Even in stock metal figures would only drop a few bucks.

spectreoneone wrote:

Danny Internets wrote:Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).

Not completely accurate. Console games have been very dynamic in their pricing for years. The lastest generation sets most titles at $60, the last generation was set at $50, and was that way for a couple generations prior. If my memory serves me right, the last time prices for console games were this high was during the NES generation, and back then, at $45-$60 a game, they were much, much more expensive relative to the prices now. As for PC games, there is no real set price point, with the exception of major studios, who pretty much follow the console gaming price point.

video games have gotten much cheaper. I remember paying $30 for a hockey game for the intellivision system in 1980. That would be like $80 now, and let me tell you those games were nothing like you get now.

However, I don't play the intellivision anymore, but I still bring my RTB01 marines out to play and am the envy of the group. Sure I have to update them every now and again, but miniatures can last for a very long time. When I think of the value I got out of the miniatures I purchased in the 80's and 90's I'm very happy. I just haven't seen that value in years.

Damn, GW buildings went up 33%.