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This make me more happy that i switched over to 15mm ww2 for my wargaming needs.At least i can buy a Tank for 5$,So what it is in a smaller scale.At least i can build a nice army for a 100$..Now this price increase makes me think about the Specialist product line.

-Loki- wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:Why do you folks complain and then keep buying their stupid-ass games? The models are cool, the games are not good. There are a LOT of good games out there - Warmachine, Hordes, and Malifaux being a few that I've tried, and LOVED - with good companies that care about their customers and communicate.

Don't go sell your models tomorrow, but get a demo in at a local store with a game that looks cool to you. It might be enough.

I know I was in and out of 40k within four months, because I didn't like the game and the prices were crazy.

Speaking personally - I play 40k because my friends play 40k, and they aren't interested at all in another game.

I'm trying to get them to buy a starter pack each for Infinity, but it's like pulling fething teeth.

Anything larger than Infinity (the main draw I can get them to see is it's about $100au for a whole 'army') and it's too expensive. Huh, funny that. Even Warmahordes is too expensive.

I also don't want to get into the local Warmahordes scene, since it is by the admission of someone I know who plays it with locals, comprised entirely of TFGs in my area. Every. Single. Person.

So it's play 40k with cool people, play Infinity with no one, or play Warmahordes with complete jerks.

Why wouldn't I stick with 40k?

Fair enough! I started with 40k because I had friends who played. It wasn't enough to keep me personally in the game--like I said, I didn't like it and I didn't like the scale of the game. My local WM/H crew is awesome; that sucks that yours has a bunch of douchebags (mine has them, too, but I just don't play with those folks).

Anyway, sorry if I came off strong. I just came into 40k so excited, and left so deflated. Sometimes I let my emotions run away with me.

gorgon wrote:
Personally, I don't freak out about price hikes. If at some point I get priced out (which isn't really likely just because of the armies I already have), then I'll find another way to spend my time. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be upset. I can see how large price hikes would be hard if you're just starting the hobby. I just personally feel somewhat innoculated against GW sticker shock. Heck, I remember being stunned by the price of the new Eldar Aspect Warrior blisters when they were released in 1990 or whenever. "Eight dollars?!? For like three miniatures?!?" LOL.

Yes, I remember $12 blisters for 2 marines. Technically speaking, the plastic kits of ten are still a price drop from 2nd edition.

My problem, however, is that the majority of my stuff was sold off a few years ago and getting back in now just means I need to actually build and paint what I buy rather than hoard boxes to open up when I get around to it. A second army is pretty much out of the question, though. The vehicle pricing is pretty absurd. I think the $58 Predator gets me more than the $75 Land raider, but both are still really expensive.

Once my CSM army is rebuilt, it's back to the random blister or box for Specialist Games conversions. The only $100+ purchases for me will be Bloodbowl and Necromunda, if and when they are rereleased.

sharkticon wrote:

eldartau1987 wrote:I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.

1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012

Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.

Just something to think about.

By looking at your post and location, I'm going to take three guesses as to who you work for, shill, and the first two don't count.

I participate in the hobby in Memphis at the HQ battle bunker and have worked for GW at one point yes. It is also against company policy to post on sites like these. I thought that personal attacks were against Dakka Policy?

pretre wrote:

reps0l wrote:

pretre wrote:The PC has 100% chance of being obsolete in 5 years. The army has probably a 50% chance. Different kind of investment.

$150-$200 for a new graphics card will do wonders for a 5-year old gaming pc. 40k? Gets you 2 Landraiders and a Storm Raven now

$200 updates your army to a new edition or two. Trust me, I did it with my SW from 3rd to 5th (I missed 4th).

Yea, this increase is worse for those who don't have a decent collection already. Or those who are bored with their current army list and want to try another.

If you have no models and want to start with IG, how long does it take to buy a 1500 point army when you have about $50 a month to spend on GW stuff after bills, savings, food, stuff your wife wants...ect...?

ph34r wrote:Damn, GW buildings went up 33%.

The buildings were one of the things that were priced really nicely before. I could see this coming.

This increase is really upsetting. It is too the point where I won't even buy at a 25% discount. I really think the only money GW will be getting from me in the future is for Black Library purchases. I've got a fantasy army and three 40k armies that should keep me playing for the foreseeable future. I was just getting ready to start LoTR because of a campaign going on at the local GW, but that is definitely off now. Meanwhile my hobby money will be diverted to other games.

scarletsquig wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.

Basically, this. Out of the dozens of people proclaiming "never again" in this thread, fact is, most of them will be buying loads as soon as the next shiny bit of plastic crack comes out.

Those of us who have opted out of buying from GW don't generally tend to have such a black and white stance on the matter, for instance there are still a few things I buy from GW due to the lack of quality competition.

Terrain was one of them, so the 20% rise on all terrain is annoying... looks like GW finally realised that no-one else makes hard plastic terrain so they realised that the price could do with a hike. /:

This, this and this.

If you say you're going to stop buying, actually have the mental fortitude to follow through with it.

I'm happy to say that, in the past year that I stopped playing 40k and stopped supporting GW as a company, I've spent less than $20 on their products. The only thing I've bought from them are their paints, as well as a bottle of liquid green stuff and some mixing medium to try them out.

infinite_array wrote:If you say you're going to stop buying, actually have the mental fortitude to follow through with it.

Most of the time people that are serious, usually just do it...they don't need to telegraph their intentions. Similar sort of hysteria with the GW paint rumors..."I'm done, switching to Vallejo" or whatever. I wonder how many people who threw a fit actually switched verse who just ended up buying the new paints.

eldartau1987 wrote:1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012

In January 1 GBP = 1.54 USD. Today it's 1 GBP = 1.58 USD. The exchange rate has trended between 1.5-1.7 USD for the last year and a half. In 2008 the exchange rate was 1 GBP = 2 USD.

The Euro has bounced around 1.3 USD, and if anything, looks to lose against the dollar.

We'll ignore for the moment the 20% tax rate that is included in the UK price while the US pays sales tax on top of the sales price.

gilljoy wrote:They really are gona shoot them selves in the foot with this one. May be pricing alot of people out of playing. I already think its more expensive than it should be

That's what people say every year, yet GW keep going and pushing the prices up. I'm as surprised as anyone that it has sustained itself as long as this because this really isn't the right economic climate in which to do this. Even as we speak the UK government are being encouraged to push interest rates down to 0% from 0.5%, yet GW are putting what appears to be anything around 5-20% on numerous products. The gulf between what they charge and what people have to spend will expand.

I've hardly touched GW in years, and the last model I bought was a Forgeworld Nurgle Sorcerer from well over a year ago. I never actually declared "I'll never buy GW again!" but just moved onto other things. These days I rarely even look at their stuff when I see it for sale, and when I do I just shake my head. Honestly, I just laugh at these price increases each year. But I don't buy GW so my opinion doesn't matter to them. The only sad thing from my perspective is that if GW go bust it will affect a lot of gaming shops as sales from one of their bread and butter products dries up.


It's funny that people talk about computer games, they seem to be getting cheaper in relative terms if I am correct. Computer games seem to be around £30-40, but when I had Doom 2, it was £30, which was worth a lot more nearly 20 years ago. I had games from the 80s and 90s, and you'd pay easily £30-40 each for them. They cost even more for the earliest computers and the games were dreadful. But often you were buying them blind, there was no internet and you largely had to go off the promise offered by the artwork on the box.

biccat wrote:

eldartau1987 wrote:1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012

In January 1 GBP = 1.54 USD. Today it's 1 GBP = 1.58 USD. The exchange rate has trended between 1.5-1.7 USD for the last year and a half. In 2008 the exchange rate was 1 GBP = 2 USD.

The Euro has bounced around 1.3 USD, and if anything, looks to lose against the dollar.

We'll ignore for the moment the 20% tax rate that is included in the UK price while the US pays sales tax on top of the sales price.

I am sorry that you are taxed prior?

The costs of raw materials go up all the time as well. Would you rather models be priced on speculation?

The above poster is right, its about 1.68 to 1, dollar:pound.

One of my good friends reminded me a very interesting point, this price hike is a textbook example of an abusive relationship. They keep raising the prices and we keep crawling back. This is rediculous and I think this will create a nice gaming vaccum for PP, DP9, mantic and the like.

People who equate the inability of others to curtail their spending habits with a serious matter like abusive relationships have no clue what an abusive relationship is.

I swear I am seeing the same names saying they will be quitting that I did the last price increase...

Again vote with your wallet, if you deperately need that GW model, get it off ebay or similar. Buying through discount retailers might take a little money from GW, but they still get a fair whack in the first place.

I really, really hope AoW step in with some nice regiment box sets which are better priced for me in the UK than GW as the quality is great, Mantic gave me hope, I'm just not a fan of their fanatsy sculpts and sick to death of the sci fi bandwagon.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

gilljoy wrote:They really are gona shoot them selves in the foot with this one. May be pricing alot of people out of playing. I already think its more expensive than it should be

That's what people say every year, yet GW keep going and pushing the prices up. I'm as surprised as anyone that it has sustained itself as long as this because this really isn't the right economic climate in which to do this. Even as we speak the UK government are being encouraged to push interest rates down to 0% from 0.5%, yet GW are putting what appears to be anything around 5-20% on numerous products. The gulf between what they charge and what people have to spend will expand.

I've hardly touched GW in years, and the last model I bought was a Forgeworld Nurgle Sorcerer from well over a year ago. I never actually declared "I'll never buy GW again!" but just moved onto other things. These days I rarely even look at their stuff when I see it for sale, and when I do I just shake my head. Honestly, I just laugh at these price increases each year. But I don't buy GW so my opinion doesn't matter to them. The only sad thing from my perspective is that if GW go bust it will affect a lot of gaming shops as sales from one of their bread and butter products dries up.


It's funny that people talk about computer games, they seem to be getting cheaper in relative terms if I am correct. Computer games seem to be around £30-40, but when I had Doom 2, it was £30, which was worth a lot more nearly 20 years ago. I had games from the 80s and 90s, and you'd pay easily £30-40 each for them. They cost even more for the earliest computers and the games were dreadful. But often you were buying them blind, there was no internet and you largely had to go off the promise offered by the artwork on the box.

Totally agree with you, games themselves are really expensive atm but in general they've been sticking around the £40 for the past few years. The only price rise which I personally think is acceptable is one that's inline with inflation but thats not going to look very good to the share holders.

Here in Australia 37 dollars for rhino is like a awesome clearance price... under a 100 dollars for a landraider OMG heaven! haha

check out these prices:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060074

Tactical Squad = AUD$62

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440276a&prodId=prod1600062a

Space Marine Thunder Cannon = AUD$94
(for 2 models that is fethed)

THE BEST ONE IS

magnus calgar and honor guard at a massive 102 dollars!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1160088a

I should point out again to that AUD is equal to the US (only changes by a few cents each day now and then)

I think the more GW pushes the price bar the better the hobby market goes... forces people to find alternatives and money goes to other projects from other companies thats a win win for those appreciative of the hobby in a wider perspective.

Salute is a good example that GW is doing the right thing, lots of new stores, old stores packed with customers etc... so thank you GW

Is the price increase mostly on plastic box sets of various sorts, and not on blisters? I couldn't make out the text on the price lists posted on the earliest pages of this thread.

helium42 wrote:

ph34r wrote:Damn, GW buildings went up 33%.

The buildings were one of the things that were priced really nicely before. I could see this coming.

This increase is really upsetting. It is too the point where I won't even buy at a 25% discount. I really think the only money GW will be getting from me in the future is for Black Library purchases. I've got a fantasy army and three 40k armies that should keep me playing for the foreseeable future. I was just getting ready to start LoTR because of a campaign going on at the local GW, but that is definitely off now. Meanwhile my hobby money will be diverted to other games.

you would be saving for a few years.... 50 bucks a month will get you 10 guys. so you need a minimum of 20 if you use veterans, a command squad, 50. a few heros, 50, a few eleites, 100 a few heavy weapons teams and platoons, 150, heavy support, 300

yeah over ayear lol

Howard A Treesong wrote:Is the price increase mostly on plastic box sets of various sorts, and not on blisters? I couldn't make out the text on the price lists posted on the earliest pages of this thread.

I think it includes a few blisters...here is a more readable (and searchable) list:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=22054

Another rise... I despair!

"I used to like Games Workshop till I took a price hike to the knee"

I will still be buying stuff but not from gw direct. Although our flgs don't stock vostroyans

pretre wrote:Consoles, on the other hand:
PS1: $229
PS2: $249
PS3: $499

PCs are tough to compare, since the technology changes so fast.

I think you can make what you want of this line of argument. I paid £190 for a Sega Megadrive (Genesis in the US) and that was what, 15 years ago? The Sega Saturn went on sale in the UK for a wallet-bending £400, more expensive than any of the current generation machines at launch. The PS3 is also a true 'multimedia' machine compared to the PS1 and PS2, the inclusion of a blue ray disc player and other functionality means I would argue it falls into a different product bracket to its predecessors.

I would say generally, having followed video games over the past 20 years or so, by and large they are vastly cheaper than they used to be. There are cheaper, 2nd hand options, and the likes of ebay and other internet discounters. Certainly, its a lot cheaper now than in the days when the NES was around and you were desperately pleading with your parents to stump up £50 for Zelda

But, I have said in the past that is a misnomer to compare prices from different industries. It is only fair to compare GW's games to others around it in the market place, and any objective study of those prices will come back with the result that GW is the most expensive. And by far in many cases.

Although I will say no doubt if Nintendo or Sega had monopoly we would still be playing £60 for a game, and £400 for a machine that would probably not be beyond a PS1 in terms of power. GW believes it is king in a market place of 1 (Rick Priestly's comment, not mine), hence why we are still playing 40k version 3.3, essentially a 15 year old system, and such an unbelievably ridiculous price for sculpts and plastic kits that have been around for a decade or more. And let's not approach Finecast.. suffice to say, had any other company attempted to pass such a poor quality product onto the customer, they would not be around to speak of now.

reps0l wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Is the price increase mostly on plastic box sets of various sorts, and not on blisters? I couldn't make out the text on the price lists posted on the earliest pages of this thread.

I think it includes a few blisters...here is a more readable (and searchable) list:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=22054

That's ummm... interesting reading. The Bretonian Green Knight for example, $40. Will that be about £25 in the UK? Wow, I remember when it was £8 and thinking "That's a lot for a single mounted figure". Well it was back in the early 90s, but still that's a ludicrous amount now.

Sometimes people suggest that GW should put their rules online as PDFs. It's clear from these price increases that they have no intention of taking it that way. They'll never sell digital copies for anywhere near these amounts if they want a premium for hard copies.

Mmm... if this price hike happens everywhere (what is very likely), I won't spend more, but buy less. Glad I'm not an avid player, just a painter. I will just paint slower, so I'll have spare time to get a girlfriend. Thanks GW!!!

Now for those international players you can understand why us Aussies were so justifiably annoyed by the massive price increase. It's beyond a joke.

I can only imagine what is coming around the corner for us. If there is a same percentage price rise here, they've pretty much priced everyone out of the market.

This price increase has led me to contact my Broker,and buy heavily in eBay and Simple Green stock.

Time to retire OH YEAH!

Does anyone know if Ork boyz went up. Can't tell, but a friend told me they were going up.

I don't really play, I mainly paint and model. Looks like I'm going to start resin casting my SM bikes.