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daedalus-templarius wrote:Well, I'd certainly like it to be a 'combat' model, but you can't charge after a warp-shunt...

True, but it's still a Jump unit. 12" move and 2D6" assault with a re-roll and move through cover. It doesn't, IMO, suffer from problems getting into combat. The warp-shunt is jut the icing on the cake. And don't forget the hammer of wrath attack.

I see the Shunt move as more of a "last minute contest the objective" ability. And the DK is scoring in one of the missions which makes it even better

A unit that can move 12" a turn and charge 2D6 with a reroll really shouldn't be having problems getting into melee.

Woah! Wait a sec......*furiously leafs through codex and BRB appendix*......please explain (to a delighted audience) where DKs with teleporters are now classified as Jump Units?

The FAQ states that a Dreadknight with personal teleporter is a "jump monstrous creature."

GK codex - page 94 asterix comment and page 28 personal teleporter comment makes them Jump infantry.

Also, the latest FAQ supports this view

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2420373a_Grey_Knights_6th_Ed_V1.pdf

Grey Templar wrote:I see the Shunt move as more of a "last minute contest the objective" ability. And the DK is scoring in one of the missions which makes it even better

A unit that can move 12" a turn and charge 2D6 with a reroll really shouldn't be having problems getting into melee.

It can't move 12" and get the reroll in the same turn. It can only use its jump pack in either the Movement phase or Assault phase, but not both. So it's either 12" + 2D6" or 6" + 2D6" with rerolls.

Hmm. I really need to get a few more games of 6th under my belt, I keep glossing over little details like that.

Xca|iber wrote:

It can't move 12" and get the reroll in the same turn. It can only use its jump pack in either the Movement phase or Assault phase, but not both. So it's either 12" + 2D6" or 6" + 2D6" with rerolls.

Wow. I've played DK almost every game and this will make such a difference. So standard loadout is DK, teleporter, incinerator: + sword if you have a spare 25 pts.

This has also made me realise that Interceptors, as Jump Infantry, can also hop around 12" every turn in addition to their shunt. This makes an Interceptor Incinerator squad (150 pts) highly attractive don't you think? Or would it be better with a mastercrafter psycannon (145 pts)? Alternatively you could have a 10-man squad with psybolt for 280 pts, perhaps with 4 halberds for mopping up duty, to kite and wipe out terminators or anything else needing torrent fire: that's 20 S5 shots (13 hits) with an effective range of 36" that should be able to fire effectively every turn?

Just wondering if purifers/henchman/dragio are still the way to go or are other builds better now, whats the general opinions?

I have been trying around with dreadknights and interceptors but not having too much luck so far

tuiman wrote:Just wondering if purifers/henchman/dragio are still the way to go or are other builds better now, whats the general opinions?

I have been trying around with dreadknights and interceptors but not having too much luck so far

I'd say it's too early to come up with your standard net list but just from the change log, most of what you used before will still work just fine.

Also: Interceptors. One mission relies on fast attack and in general a 30 inch teleport is insane in multiple objectives. Can they assault after teleporting?

I think they're going to be a staple in GK lists from now on, the only real downside is that they're so pricey.

Stoffer wrote:Also: Interceptors. One mission relies on fast attack and in general a 30 inch teleport is insane in multiple objectives. Can they assault after teleporting?

I think they're going to be a staple in GK lists from now on, the only real downside is that they're so pricey.

They can't assault after teleporting, the same holds for the DK.

Also the dreadknight is a MC(CH) too so can challenge and shoot like a character... gatling psilencer is pretty good now i think lol

wuestenfux wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Also: Interceptors. One mission relies on fast attack and in general a 30 inch teleport is insane in multiple objectives. Can they assault after teleporting?

I think they're going to be a staple in GK lists from now on, the only real downside is that they're so pricey.

They can't assault after teleporting, the same holds for the DK.

Alright, can still teleport to contest objectives, count as scoring in one scenario and can hunt the relic.

The DK got loads better. S10 with his fists, yes! At Initiative 4! Power Weapons are AP3 and don't do much to him in CC. Oh yeah! Can challenge characters too!


On the other hand, people are probably going to be taking more plasma and lascannons and what not, to deal with terminators and MCs before they get into CC. DK is still very vulnerable to that stuff. And dude is expensive with his teleporter, even with the buffs he gets. Still, I am going to try to field him more because I like the model (well my conversion of the craptacular base model at least ). I don't think DK will be a part of WAAC lists though. Good be wrong... but probably not.


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Sethorly wrote:Wow. I've played DK almost every game and this will make such a difference. So standard loadout is DK, teleporter, incinerator: + sword if you have a spare 25 pts.

Now that fists are S10, I don't think the sword is a good buy.

Well, the sword isn't too bad actually.

You still get +1A for having 2 weapons(neither is a specialist weapon) and can choose to either use the sword or the Doomfist. So you pick between Str10 or Str6(7) with rerolls.

Against infantry and AV10 the sword is best while the Doomfist is best against tough MCs and heavy vehicles.


Thats if you have the spare points laying around for the sword.

Well, as stated elsewhere, the player can choose each turn whether to use sword (rerolls, potentially S7 with HH) or fists (S10). Against vehicles you'd go for the fists, against everything else with a toughness of 6 or less use the sword.

edit/ ninja'd!

I still don't think the psilencer is worth it for the likelihood of 2 precision shots or am I missing something?

I'm really excited about henchmen as well, I think we're going to get some pretty cool henchmen builds based around the new wound allocation rules (probably involving crusaders....).

Yeah, Psilencer still sucks.

IMO the Psilencer should have been Str8 AP- but rolls to wound against Ld(Daemons and Psykers are always wounded on 2+) and can only glance vehicles.

Grey Templar wrote:Well, the sword isn't too bad actually.

You still get +1A for having 2 weapons(neither is a specialist weapon)

Self Fail. How did I miss that one. Ok, that makes the sword better than I thought. Still, 25 points on an already expensive model... I;d probably spend the points elsewhere. Heck 25 points can get you a 2nd HQ!

Reading the rules for the Greatsword again, I don't see what prevents you from rerolling the hit/wound/AP with the Doomfist if you have a Greatsword, seeing as the model can do this and there is nothing linking it to the attacks of the Greatsword itself.

Now does this make sense, not really, but that never stopped GW from ruling it like that. And from a RAW point of view I don't see anything preventing this.

That's a good point. That means the cost of the sword makes more sense so it could be RAI too. Is this stretching the feasibility or was it intended?

tuiman wrote:Just wondering if purifers/henchman/dragio are still the way to go or are other builds better now, whats the general opinions?

I have been trying around with dreadknights and interceptors but not having too much luck so far

I can tell you right now, MSU Purifier Spam has lost a lot of power. The 5 man units are a lot more vulnerable in 6th.
1 - Overwatch
2 - Can't assault after disembarking a tranport that didn't move.
3 - If your transport is destroyed in the enemy turn, you can't assault during your next turn.

I am not going to run it anymore. I am looking at Terminators for troops now.

MSU Purifier Spam is dead, but I think 10 man Purifier Spam in Rhinos might still be viable. Its very hard to deal with 10 Purifiers especially when if they are in a Rhino and the Rhino moves 6 inches they can fire 8 Psycannon Shots out of the hatch. If it goes 12 they snap fire 8 shots. That's not bad at all. I think its just time to take another look at how the Purifier build will work now.

DutchSage wrote:Reading the rules for the Greatsword again, I don't see what prevents you from rerolling the hit/wound/AP with the Doomfist if you have a Greatsword, seeing as the model can do this and there is nothing linking it to the attacks of the Greatsword itself.

Now does this make sense, not really, but that never stopped GW from ruling it like that. And from a RAW point of view I don't see anything preventing this.

Sweet, rerolling Str10 attacks is awsome

The DK gets more and more awsome every day

Grey Templar wrote:

DutchSage wrote:Reading the rules for the Greatsword again, I don't see what prevents you from rerolling the hit/wound/AP with the Doomfist if you have a Greatsword, seeing as the model can do this and there is nothing linking it to the attacks of the Greatsword itself.

Now does this make sense, not really, but that never stopped GW from ruling it like that. And from a RAW point of view I don't see anything preventing this.

Sweet, rerolling Str10 attacks is awsome

The DK gets more and more awsome every day

I think it'd be a bit of a stretch to give the re-rolls to the doomfist, even if it is RAW. It feels a bit dirty.

Red Comet wrote:MSU Purifier Spam is dead, but I think 10 man Purifier Spam in Rhinos might still be viable. Its very hard to deal with 10 Purifiers especially when if they are in a Rhino and the Rhino moves 6 inches they can fire 8 Psycannon Shots out of the hatch. If it goes 12 they snap fire 8 shots. That's not bad at all. I think its just time to take another look at how the Purifier build will work now.

How are you doing that? A Rhino has 2 fire points, which means only 2 Psycannons can shoot. Since they count as moving, it would be 4 shots.


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Kaldor wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

DutchSage wrote:Reading the rules for the Greatsword again, I don't see what prevents you from rerolling the hit/wound/AP with the Doomfist if you have a Greatsword, seeing as the model can do this and there is nothing linking it to the attacks of the Greatsword itself.

Now does this make sense, not really, but that never stopped GW from ruling it like that. And from a RAW point of view I don't see anything preventing this.

Sweet, rerolling Str10 attacks is awsome

The DK gets more and more awsome every day

I think it'd be a bit of a stretch to give the re-rolls to the doomfist, even if it is RAW. It feels a bit dirty.

I think we need to take every inch we can get. GW did some dirty things to us in the rules; AP3 power weapons, transport disembarking rules, etc.
I am going to be using the rules, as written, to my advantage in every way possible. No exceptions.

Kaldor wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

DutchSage wrote:Reading the rules for the Greatsword again, I don't see what prevents you from rerolling the hit/wound/AP with the Doomfist if you have a Greatsword, seeing as the model can do this and there is nothing linking it to the attacks of the Greatsword itself.

Now does this make sense, not really, but that never stopped GW from ruling it like that. And from a RAW point of view I don't see anything preventing this.

Sweet, rerolling Str10 attacks is awsome

The DK gets more and more awsome every day

I think it'd be a bit of a stretch to give the re-rolls to the doomfist, even if it is RAW. It feels a bit dirty.

If it doesn't feel dirty, you're not doing it right.

Darklight wrote:

Red Comet wrote:MSU Purifier Spam is dead, but I think 10 man Purifier Spam in Rhinos might still be viable. Its very hard to deal with 10 Purifiers especially when if they are in a Rhino and the Rhino moves 6 inches they can fire 8 Psycannon Shots out of the hatch. If it goes 12 they snap fire 8 shots. That's not bad at all. I think its just time to take another look at how the Purifier build will work now.

How are you doing that? A Rhino has 2 fire points, which means only 2 Psycannons can shoot. Since they count as moving, it would be 4 shots.

You can choose to fire them as heavy weapons, getting 8 snapshots.

Darklight wrote:I think we need to take every inch we can get. GW did some dirty things to us in the rules; AP3 power weapons, transport disembarking rules, etc.
I am going to be using the rules, as written, to my advantage in every way possible. No exceptions.

You're obviously free to play any way you wish, but I think you'd be attempting to gain an unfair advantage, and I think that's not a very nice thing to do to your opponent.

Fafnir wrote:If it doesn't feel dirty, you're not doing it right.

Any advise on stromravens, I tried using one but got targeted very early, and to me they are to expensive to take two (I normally play at 1500).

Also decided you never want to carry troops in them, as soon as you go to hover, you get shot out the sky to easy.

Kaldor wrote:

Darklight wrote:

Red Comet wrote:MSU Purifier Spam is dead, but I think 10 man Purifier Spam in Rhinos might still be viable. Its very hard to deal with 10 Purifiers especially when if they are in a Rhino and the Rhino moves 6 inches they can fire 8 Psycannon Shots out of the hatch. If it goes 12 they snap fire 8 shots. That's not bad at all. I think its just time to take another look at how the Purifier build will work now.

How are you doing that? A Rhino has 2 fire points, which means only 2 Psycannons can shoot. Since they count as moving, it would be 4 shots.

You can choose to fire them as heavy weapons, getting 8 snapshots.

Also I'm pretty sure if the vehicle goes 6 inches or less the models inside are counted as being stationary (essentially relentless) hence giving you all of those shots at full BS!