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BaronIveagh wrote:

blood reaper wrote:
Why just Americans?

I should probably include England and most of Western Europe under that, as well.

Because their reaction is 'Oh my God, people died!" "Oh my god, a nutjob shot up a theater in Colorado! Quick, ban guns!" While everyone else has to deal with 'Oh God, a nutjob has seized power becasue we didn't have guns and is butchering the whole city block by block. Quick, we need guns!"

God, they need a tyrant to seize power just so they can get their heads out of their asses.

I'm confused here...

What does shootings in America in Tyrants in Africa have to do with the daemons of the warp?

Are you just one of those people that lives in America and hates it? If so... move away and see how fun other countries are. Maybe one of those ones with a Tyrant.

And to answer the new title of the thread.... Yes. There are plenty of non-chaos entities in the warp.

BaronIveagh wrote:

purplefood wrote:
I don't think you have a great cultural understanding of Britain...

It was mostly directed at the United States.

Well that's okay then...
Kinda...

I think we should really get back to the topic, instead of strange rantings about the Colorado shootings.

Shall we try to bring this quickly to a close then?
Purp, you have a. 4 sources that support my argument b. people who agree with me for a change and c. proof already there are (or were) benign Warp entities (Eldar Gods).

Mynameisalie wrote:Shall we try to bring this quickly to a close then?
Purp, you have a. 4 sources that support my argument b. people who agree with me for a change and c. proof already there are (or were) benign Warp entities (Eldar Gods).

The Eldar Gods are somewhat different to warp entities, it isn't even really said that they are warp entities.

Mynameisalie wrote:Shall we try to bring this quickly to a close then?
Purp, you have a. 4 sources that support my argument b. people who agree with me for a change and c. proof already there are (or were) benign Warp entities (Eldar Gods).

There are more than just the Eldar gods for reference. There are several species that exist in the warp that are not demons or gods. They simply evolved in that dimention.

Thx for supporting my theory.

What 4 sources?
Also the Eldar gods were created by a massive galactic spanning empire of highly potent psychics...
That kind of psychic pool isn't applicable to your race given their population... and as BR said they aren't quite warp entities...
Incidentally though there are non-daemons in the warp all the ones we have seen are hostile.
The enslavers for instance.

I guess I have actually managed to win my point this time.
4 sources.
Lexicanum
40k wiki
6th ed rulebook
BL
Umad, bro?
Make that 3, sorry. BL was a mistake, it was somewhere else.

purplefood wrote:What 4 sources?
Also the Eldar gods were created by a massive galactic spanning empire of highly potent psychics...
That kind of psychic pool isn't applicable to your race given their population...

And they weren't even benign.

Khaine was a raging warrior god, who tortured two of the others.




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Mynameisalie wrote:I guess I have actually managed to win my point this time.
4 sources.
Lexicanum
40k wiki
6th ed rulebook
BL
Umad, bro?

Your first two are made up of other sources, some of which cancel each other out.

How the six edition?

Blacklibary has twisted fluff on a hundred occasions, never use it as a main source.

No, 'bro', my sanity is quite real.

That's one exception. One. One.

Mynameisalie wrote:I guess I have actually managed to win my point this time.
4 sources.
Lexicanum
40k wiki
6th ed rulebook
BL
Umad, bro?

BL agrees with you?
In what way?
40k wiki isn't a source and neither is lexicanum.
Where in the 6th ed rulebook does it say that there are benign warp entities apart from saying that there aren't? Much in the same way it doesn't say that the Imperium is secretly ruled by a kabal of spiderlegged green elephants from the 5th dimension...

Mynameisalie wrote:That's one exception. One. One.

What one exception?

You have to have proper sources, not just websites that list sources, nor random books.

blood reaper wrote:
So you believe that anyone beyond the west would be mostly fine with 40K's form of morality?

There's a difference between agreeing with their morality and being able to deal with the situation. There's this delusion on 40k boards that modern humans would not be able to survive in the realm of 40k (to a degree they're right, since basic biology, physics, and chemistry do not work the same there, but that's not the point) because it's too hard.

Sadly, I've been to places under the control of the US where 'hope is the first step on the road to disappointment'.

Children taken and brainwashed, check. Traditional religion persecuted and people stripped of property for following them, check. Police able to murder you without cause, check. People starving to death because of bureaucratic decisions, check. Rape, hatred, torture, violence? all check.

Unfortunately, we don't have oil anymore, and no one can score political points on one another as they're all equally guilty, so what you do here does not make the news.

Oh, I see.

This is another try at the "Lynx problem"?

Purp, re-read the post. I made a mistake with BL, sorry. It was somewhere else.

BaronIveagh wrote:

blood reaper wrote:
So you believe that anyone beyond the west would be mostly fine with 40K's form of morality?

There's a difference between agreeing with their morality and being able to deal with the situation. There's this delusion on 40k boards that modern humans would not be able to survive in the realm of 40k (to a degree they're right, since basic biology, physics, and chemistry do not work the same there, but that's not the point) because it's too hard.

Sadly, I've been to places under the control of the US where 'hope is the first step on the road to disappointment'.

Children taken and brainwashed, check. Traditional religion persecuted and people stripped of property for following them, check. Police able to murder you without cause, check. People starving to death because of bureaucratic decisions, check. Rape, hatred, torture, violence? all check.

Unfortunately, we don't have oil anymore, and no one can score political points on one another as they're all equally guilty, so what you do here does not make the news.

I don't believe many would be able to stand the situation at hand, it's my opinion, and you may have your own.

DeffDred wrote:Oh, I see.

This is another try at the "Lynx problem"?

Actually yes. We're not going to go onto that, ok? Leave it. Leave it alone, in a corner, where I last left it, ok?

DeffDred wrote:
If so... move away and see how fun other countries are. Maybe one of those ones with a Tyrant.

No, my home is in the Seneca Nation of Indians. and we have an occupying tyrant. They're called the United States of America.

A little addendum: I've been to other countries, both for and against their tyrants, or the powers behind their tyrants (deBeers), so, yeah.

Baron, DeffDred, stop it. Please discuss that on the OT forums. Let's not bring that sort of stuff into this thread, ok?

BaronIveagh wrote:

DeffDred wrote:
If so... move away and see how fun other countries are. Maybe one of those ones with a Tyrant.

No, my home is in the Seneca Nation of Indians. and we have an occupying tyrant. They're called the United States of America.

Cool. I'm Penobscott.

But for the safety of myself, I'm gonna have to put you on ignore.

Not trying to be rude but you have a certain mentality that... well I won't even go into it.

BaronIveagh wrote:

DeffDred wrote:
If so... move away and see how fun other countries are. Maybe one of those ones with a Tyrant.

No, my home is in the Seneca Nation of Indians. and we have an occupying tyrant. They're called the United States of America.

While I agree that the United States has a nature that at times could be placed in the semi-Tyranny box, the Imperium of Man is described as being a hell hole beyond comparison.

blood reaper wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

DeffDred wrote:
If so... move away and see how fun other countries are. Maybe one of those ones with a Tyrant.

No, my home is in the Seneca Nation of Indians. and we have an occupying tyrant. They're called the United States of America.

While I agree that the United States has a nature that at times could be placed in the semi-Tyranny box, the Imperium of Man is described as being a hell hole beyond comparison.

I agree to that last part.
No arguments.
The IoM is probably the worst race to be in 40k. They're on the losing end of everything.

blood reaper wrote:
While I agree that the United States has a nature that at times could be placed in the semi-Tyranny box, the Imperium of Man is described as being a hell hole beyond comparison.

Visit some of the nations out west. If you over want to see people without hope, visit someplace like Rosebud, and help them bury the children that die there in government mandated poverty, and tell me about the US governments tyranny or beneficence.

Baron, stop. I know this seems important to you, but stop. This is not the time, nor the place, to be typing that sort of stuff. If you really want to get it out and/or discuss it, please do it in the OT forums, like I have suggested.

BaronIveagh wrote:

blood reaper wrote:
While I agree that the United States has a nature that at times could be placed in the semi-Tyranny box, the Imperium of Man is described as being a hell hole beyond comparison.

Visit some of the nations out west. If you over want to see people without hope, visit someplace like Rosebud, and help them bury the children that die there in government mandated poverty, and tell me about the US governments tyranny.

This isn't for here.

Honestly, I'm here to discuss the topic at hand, not the problems of the world.

As much as I do not like blood reaper, I agree with him. Again. Better not make a habit of it. Or I may end up adding him as a friend .

blood reaper wrote:
This isn't for here.

Honestly, I'm here to discuss the topic at hand, not the problems of the world.

True enough, I suppose. My point is, however, that in many places modern human beings survive in conditions not that dissimilar to the IoM (minus the rule of cool and magitek stuff).

BaronIveagh wrote:

blood reaper wrote:
This isn't for here.

Honestly, I'm here to discuss the topic at hand, not the problems of the world.

True enough, I suppose. My point is, however, that in many places modern human beings survive in conditions not that dissimilar to the IoM (minus the rule of cool and magitek stuff).

Well obviously...
That's part of how dystopian it is.
Things have been bad for so long they have changed human nature to the point it's nearly unrecognisable...

Indeed, human nature has changed allot in the last hundred years.

How long is it till 40k?