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ok, so i had an idea for an army and came up with some quick fluff and painted some test models (no pics yet, my camera is missing in action)



the whole idea is that an inquisitor of the ordo malleus and his sizable fleet enter the warp chasing after a demon prince of great power, sometime in the 35th millenium. thousands of years later, they still haven't emerged from the warp and are little more than memories in the minds of the inquisition, and names etched into a wall. flash forward to the 41st millenium, near the cdian gate. a fleet emerges, a fleet similar in appearance to the inquisitors fleet that vanished millenia ago. except now instead of golden steeples and steel plating the ships are monstrosities wrought of shimering black iron with a sickly red outline. the nearest imperial outpost hails them, and all they get back is static, when the ships approach the outpost the ylaunch boarding torpedoes, filled not with daemonhunters, but with horrific parodies of what they once were.




comments and critisism welcome, it is still a work in progress.

They're pretty good. But, I can expect someone to come along and complain if you use Grey Knights. But, seeing as you're not it's pretty cool and should work out fine with the others.

oh, but i am using grey knights. in fact, they were the test models. except they're more like 'black knights' now.

Then if anyone asks they were fancy Death Watch
Grey Knights have to be possessed by a Daemon and manage to beat it in order to become a Grey Knight, that makes it impossible, or nearly impossible, for them to ever be corrupted by chaos. So basically they have plot armour against Daemons

But, honestly it's all up to you. If you think it's cool go for it. Others will come and complain, but for all we know Grey Knights could be retconned and GW could run with something similar for one of their codex stories.


I guess you could say that they aren't corrupted by chaos, just that they somehow see the loyalists as traitors to the Imperium after coming to some realisation while they were all stuck in the warp.

In their entire history, no Grey Knight has fallen to Chaos.

I would suggest using another SM inquisitor force, such as the Death Watch mentioned above. Though if you wanted to use GK's to represent them, then I guess that is fair enough, as daemon posessed SM would like fancy armour - perhaps it performs the same role as the wards on GK armour but in reverse? Protecting the daemon inside from real space?

Other than that, it sounds pretty cool.

SilverMK2 wrote:In their entire history, no Grey Knight has fallen to Chaos.

I would suggest using another SM inquisitor force, such as the Death Watch mentioned above. Though if you wanted to use GK's to represent them, then I guess that is fair enough, as daemon posessed SM would like fancy armour - perhaps it performs the same role as the wards on GK armour but in reverse? Protecting the daemon inside from real space?

Other than that, it sounds pretty cool.

in it's entire history, no grey knight ON RECORD has fallen to chaos. i can easily see this happening and the inquisition staging a gigantic cover up. erasing records, and trying to hunt them down to remove the taint.

Yeah run with it. Like previous posters have pointed out, a lot of gamers will give you schtick for it.
We're only half a dozen posts in and it's already come up twice. So expect one in three people to say that your army fluff is flawed.

I say, screw those guys! This hobby is about fun. You could roll with the idea that these GK were an experiment or something similar. Rewind your fluff a bit, and go for M31, the second founding. These were some of the first Grey Knights ever out on patrol. Due to some technological hiccups, their warding was faulty and they lost it.

In the 10'000 years since the whole error was covered up... Until now!

n0t_u wrote:Grey Knights have to be possessed by a Daemon and manage to beat it in order to become a Grey Knight, that makes it impossible, or nearly impossible, for them to ever be corrupted by chaos.

Perhaps it was the loss of this fleet, so long ago, that caused the inquisition to start this practice?

The records of the incident would of course have been destroyed for fear of the panic they might cause, and indeed it is highly unlikely that anyone the the "present" of the 41st millennium would have any idea that they were lost in the warp. Official records, if any even still exist, would list them as having been killed in battle.

Why do people always do stories with Grey Knights falling to chaos.

Sounds like a nice idea. Ignore the fluff nazis.

Of course, Grey Knights are just COOL PSYKER MARINES. You could always have a 'sorcerous Tzeentch Marine sect' CSM army, and use Daemonhunters rules...?

Like the "trained Tyranids" or the people who use a backstory of Orks to justify the "Ork Wolves" standin bologna--this just doesn't work in a fluff aspect.

Frankly: If it were an Inquisitor and Inducted Guard/Stormtroopers? Then you'd have a leg to stand on, and a very very thin one given that Inquisitors go through the same kind of binding as Astropathic Navigators and Grey Knights--so possession and corruption through that aspect would be very, very, very, very unlikely.

And Grey Knights keep very close records of their history, so your "no Grey Knights on RECORD" idea doesn't work. They store the bodies of the fallen on Titan, and even go to great lengths to reclaim those bodies if they fall in battle. Not least of the reasons is to reclaim the geneseed and to hide the evidence of the existence of the Grey Knights.

@whoever posted "maybe a Grey Knight fleet falling to Chaos is what caused the Inquisition to start this binding ritual?"--Nope. Since the Grey Knights' inception following the Horus Heresy, it's been there. There is speculation that the Grey Knights were created from the remainder of the Loyalists from the Eisenstein, or perhaps even from a group of Thousand Sons who volunteered. That's the only real point of contention with the Grey Knights. We don't know who the originals were, or what geneseed they're made from.

Im sure grey knights can fall..

The ordo is hardly going to advertise their failure.

Adept "Unfortunately Lord, 5 000 years in the eye some grey knights fell to chaos."

Inquisitor "Hmm, an unfortunate tale." *draws pistol* "Your efforts are no longer required." Bang

The Imperium is full of liars. Good fluff. You might not want them coming out of the cadian gate, perhaps write some other less defended entry point.

Once again:
The Grey Knights DO NOT FALL, unless you're using the term fall to mean "die". Because they DO die, but they do not fall to corruption. They are regularly tested for instabilities in geneseed, imperfections in the Aegis suits(partially why they do not fall), and even for possession following operations.

It's not the Ordo trying to cover it up. That is quite simply the fact of the matter.

Shaman wrote:
Im sure grey knights can fall..

Shaman wrote:
The ordo is hardly going to advertise their failure.

as above

Shaman wrote:
The Imperium is full of liars.

Rather not. Lies are the usual way of communication of chaos.

Shaman wrote:
Good fluff.

Really?

Maybe I should invent fluff to have imperial demons who venerate the emperor and also have no psi powers but great talent at poems and videogames.....


Maybe not.

Wow.
The fluff Nazis are out in force on this one.

Look... it's YOUR GAME. Do whatever the F you want and let them call a Waaaaahmbulance.

Eric

Bite your tongue, heathen.

There's a difference between using the background to create your own force from that--and then there's saying "Feth It" and making crap up.

@Kanluwen= While I do agree with you on the fluffy aspect, I also realize that this is a hobby that people drop hundreds, if not thousands of dollars and man-hours on over years. So if he wants to say his GKs were corrupted, its perfectly his right. And the man lives on another continent, its not like hes going to pop in to your FLGS and begin a flame war. So seriously dude, quit your whining.

@children of filth= While I personally disagree with your fluff, I'm not too terribly much of a nazi, and i say go for it if its what you want. Just be ready for the flames, and the heresy, and maybe the summary execution....

He wanted "comments and criticism". He's getting them. So butt out if all you're going to do is "go for it if that's what you want".

He's better off just making a chapter of Marines that went rogue and ended up stealing fallen GK suits as a way to insult the empire... or something.

Frankly, I'd say have the Inquisitor and his inducted troops making planetfall on a Daemonworld that has been reshaped by Loyalist Thousand Sons in the image of Prospero.

By "Loyalist", I mean Thousand Sons who still feel their duty is to mankind, even if the Emperor betrayed them.

Kanluwen wrote:He wanted "comments and criticism". He's getting them. So butt out if all you're going to do is "go for it if that's what you want".

???
So, for a "comments and criticism" request, we should only post criticism, then, and not comments?

After all, "go for it if that's what you want" is very much a comment.

Kanluwen wrote:Frankly, I'd say have the Inquisitor and his inducted troops making planetfall on a Daemonworld that has been reshaped by Loyalist Thousand Sons in the image of Prospero.

By "Loyalist", I mean Thousand Sons who still feel their duty is to mankind, even if the Emperor betrayed them.

That's not a comment OR criticism. That is you trying to change his entire idea to fit what YOU think is right or "fluff worthy."

@cof

Dude... it's YOUR army, YOUR models and YOUR game. Don't let anyone talk you out of what you want to do.
There are plenty of armies out there that don't fit GW fluff (Thousand Squats, anyone?), but people have gone on to make them, and make them WELL. Do your thing and have fun.

Eric

There are such things as Chaos Inquisitors so no problem yet.

Not so sure about the Grey Knights. They could be inducted Imperial Space Marines though. That would work almost as well.

Vladsimpaler wrote:There are such things as Chaos Inquisitors so no problem yet.

Not so sure about the Grey Knights. They could be inducted Imperial Space Marines though. That would work almost as well.

That's one problem I have with the whole idea as it's presented.

It should be "renegade" or "fallen" Inquisitor.


Otherwise, this idea comes off like it's an entire Inquisitorial order that's been built up by the forces of Chaos.

Kanluwen wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:There are such things as Chaos Inquisitors so no problem yet.

Not so sure about the Grey Knights. They could be inducted Imperial Space Marines though. That would work almost as well.

That's one problem I have with the whole idea as it's presented.

It should be "renegade" or "fallen" Inquisitor.


Otherwise, this idea comes off like it's an entire Inquisitorial order that's been built up by the forces of Chaos.

Yeah, it's like Chaos Tau or whatever, some of it doesn't really make sense.

So as long as there aren't any Grey Knights/Sisters of Battle, the idea of a Chaos Inquisitor leading falled Imperial Marines and Imperial Guard is interesting and very different from what most armies normally are.

"Chaos Grey Knights lol" is just one of those things that the 40k fluff explicitly says does not happen ever. Saying people that point out how the fluff explicitly does not leave room for Corrupted Grey Knights are "fluff nazis" is just dense. There are a million ways that you could explain why you have elite chaos troopers with swords and storm bolters without saying "I don't care about the 40k background".

You can do pretty much anything you want in 40k, there are so few "this never, ever happens" things about 40k, is it that hard to avoid the one instance of "this is an immutable law of 40k"?

Okay... Rather than call them "fluff-nazi's;"
"[P]eople that point out how the fluff explicitly does not leave room for Corrupted Grey Knights are" forgetting that it's MY game and I play by MY rules. Fluff does not matter in game terms.

Eric

Just remmember ...

No one expects the CHAOS Inquisition!

MagickalMemories wrote:Okay... Rather than call them "fluff-nazi's;"
"[P]eople that point out how the fluff explicitly does not leave room for Corrupted Grey Knights are" forgetting that it's MY game and I play by MY rules. Fluff does not matter in game terms.

Eric

Actually it's THEIR game and you play by THEIR rules.

It's YOUR army, and if you want YOUR army to have some form of divergence, you damned well better take the time to explain it and not use "Chaos did it!" as the catch-all.

Not that this is a huge deal, but doing a Grey Knight turned chaos army is going to cost a bit more that standard marines gone chaos. Just making an observation from a cost stand point.