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Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place, move it if you have too. Anyways, I was wondering if you can put models of other armies and races in another's transports.(i.e. can you put tacs marines in a valkerie?)Thanks in adance everyone!

If they're in the same army (which would normally only happen in Apocalypse games) then yes, it's normally allowed.

Although as a strict RAW answer, some transports do specify exactly which models can ride in them. Grey Knight Land Raiders, for example, specify Grey Knights as their passengers. Most people just play it as that number of models.

You'd have to make an agreement with your opponent is it isn't stated in RAW

For example, I wouldnallow you to put those tac squad marines in the valkyrie, on the condition that it would only hold half as many marines as it could hold guardsmen
(fluff wise: astartes are substantially bulkier than humans, therefore they would take up more space)

lordrevege wrote:For example, I wouldnallow you to put those tac squad marines in the valkyrie, on the condition that it would only hold half as many marines as it could hold guardsmen
(fluff wise: astartes are substantially bulkier than humans, therefore they would take up more space)

Regular Marines take up the same amount of space in a transport as any other roughly human-sized model in the game.

It's only the particularly large models, like Terminators and Ogryns, that take up two spaces.

Yep, see the IG FAQ regarding Valkyrie transport capability for an example.

Can you link to it?

GW's FAQs are all here.

thanks.

insaniak wrote:

lordrevege wrote:For example, I wouldnallow you to put those tac squad marines in the valkyrie, on the condition that it would only hold half as many marines as it could hold guardsmen
(fluff wise: astartes are substantially bulkier than humans, therefore they would take up more space)

Regular Marines take up the same amount of space in a transport as any other roughly human-sized model in the game.

It's only the particularly large models, like Terminators and Ogryns, that take up two spaces.

Not necessarily, just because a space marine takes up one of the transport capacity of a rhino doesn't mean the one space in a chimera is the same size. Chimera (the models) are physically smaller than rhino's and have a capacity of 12, where as the larger rhino models have a capacity of only 10. Space Marine models are bulkier than guardsmen so its reasonable to assume that the transport capacity of the armies generic transport is relevant to size of the people of that army. (ie. I would object to 12 space marines being able to fit in a chimera when only 10 can fit in a rhino). I'd be livid if 6 assault terminators popped out of a chimera. I believe the capacity of an IG transport is higher because you can fit more guardsmen than marines into the same space, not that there is different amounts of space.

Gorechild - and there is your problem. You have *assumed* something, when the rules in fact say something entirely different.

nosferatu - The rules don't say you can transport models from another codex, the OP asked about transporting models from another codex so I gave a perfectly reasonable opinion as I didn't agree with the adverse way of looking at it and there is no definitive answer. Neither the codex or FAQ say it can be done, which means that outside of apocalypse games, it shouldn't be done. Unless it's a friendly game where you play with house rules, if that's the case, then my view is perfectly valid.

Actgually the rules DO give you permission to transport units from another codex - the ally rules found in DH and WH, coupled with the BRB rules on transports. You are given permission to transport units, and nothing states "but only from your codex" - meaning you are allowed to transport them as long as you can field them in the same army, which the ally rules do.

Sorry, you are wrong on this. Your opinion is just that - an opinion that runs contrary to the rules.

The ally rule allows DH and/or WH armies to be joined by either IG or SM's. If you choose to do so it still makes one DH or WH army. C:WH specifically states that both IG and SM cant be taken together in a WH force. Nowhere in either the IG or SM codex does it state that you can take units from the other codex, therefore you can't do so in one army.

Valk's are not found anywhere in the SM, WH or DH books, so there is no way you could contain both a valk and a tac squad in 1 army, so it couldn't be automatically assumed that they could use each others transports (which is what the OP asked). It states in the WH codex that a WH army can include up to 2 troop units from 3 of 4 books (DH + WH + IG or DH + WH + SM) this would include their transports. So you could put a tac squad in an Inquisitors Chimera, as this wouldn't conflict with the limitations of the ally rules. Given that they comply with the allies guidelines all the models make one single army that could play against any other codex in a competitive game.

The Ally rule in the DH/WH books doesn't cover 2v2 battles, neither does the rule book, and interactions between allies in these sort of games (normally apocalypse) are left to be sorted out between the players before the game.

I'm certain if I put my fire dragons in my friends battle wagon (outside of a really mental apocalypse game) anyone we played would complain and probably refuse to play against it (I would if someone did it to me). Although the example is a little extreme, its the same principle.

lordrevege wrote:
(fluff wise: astartes are substantially bulkier than humans, therefore they would take up more space)

Or they just wouldn't fit through the door. Seeing as marines are modelled on the same bases as guardsmen, they are probably meant to take up the same amount of space in a transport. Compare terminators.