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I have noticed that a great many players have been running their vehicles around in circles and then putting them in the same spot so that they get the 6+ needed to be hit in close combat. I noticed last night in the rule book that this does not work, and that distance is only measured from the original position of the vehicle.

Page 63

Note: when assessing how far a vehicle has moved,
only take into account the actual distance covered from
its original position. Moving backwards and forwards or
driving around in circles does not help!

I know that most of you probably already knew this, but I wanted to point it out to those that were playing it wrong, including myself.

Indeed, a point often missed.

However this isn't, strictly speaking, a rules query, so I'm going to move this to another 40K board.

Goes to show the value of rereading the rulebook though.

I can't get a clean shot, sir! He's circling too fast!

GeneralRetreat wrote:I can't get a clean shot, sir! He's circling too fast!

Use a bigger gun.

I'm having visions of a Rhino kiting a squad of 8 Khorne Bezerkers around in a little circle for 6 turns.


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Mind you they might get a cover save after 6 turns of moving in circles they would have dug quite a big hole to hide in.

Wait people do this? I mean I move my speeders from one spot and then back again the next turn, but moving around in circles?

Yes, a common tactic I have seen is for people to use rhinos as roadblocks tying up melee units that need 6's to hit it. they will just move 6 away and then move 6 back

I am going to let someone do it next time and then hit their vehicles automatically

Just remember moving in a circle with a Fast Skimmer DOES get you the cover save, as it still counts as going flat out, it will just be hit automatically in the Assault Phase.

Imperial Guardsman Sgt: "Sir, the Ork vehicle appears to be driving in a circle"

Commisar: "Well then chant the litany of hatred to the xeno and hit them with your powerfist when they come back around."

The rule always seemed a bit off for me... the 'turn' is supposed to be an abstraction for more simultaneous play. It's just wierd that a vehicle that drives in 2 6" half circles over 2 turns gets more 'movement' benefits than one that drives in 12" full circles both those turns. One vehicle is moving more in the game world, but gets no credit because of where the abstractions timing cutoffs lie.

Of course... it prevents some incredibly annoying tactics (my tank can move half an inch? I move 12" by spending all phase shimmying back and forth 24 times!), so it's all good.

Adamah wrote:Imperial Guardsman Sgt: "Sir, the Ork vehicle appears to be driving in a circle"

Commisar: "Well then chant the litany of hatred to the xeno and hit them with your powerfist when they come back around."

lol

You can still wall in with your Rhinos and make them take 4's to hit. Just tap it. Technically its moved, and although can only fire one main weapon, transports usually only have defensive weapons anyway.

GeneralRetreat wrote:I'm having visions of a Rhino kiting a squad of 8 Khorne Bezerkers around in a little circle for 6 turns.


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ROFL

Just a slight deviation on that, and this is probably a situation that would not happen but....

Let say a vehicle needs to move around a piece of impassable terrain like a fence or wall. If it ended up on the other side of the terrain and only 2 or 3 inches away from its original position, would you still invoke this rule even if it had to travel 12 or 18 inches to get there?

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Green is Best! wrote:Just a slight deviation on that, and this is probably a situation that would not happen but....

Let say a vehicle needs to move around a piece of impassable terrain like a fence or wall. If it ended up on the other side of the terrain and only 2 or 3 inches away from its original position, would you still invoke this rule even if it had to travel 12 or 18 inches to get there?

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Of Course. The Rules are what they are. The Rules say in this instance the Vehicle will be hit on a 4+ in assault.

Gwar! wrote:

Green is Best! wrote:Just a slight deviation on that, and this is probably a situation that would not happen but....

Let say a vehicle needs to move around a piece of impassable terrain like a fence or wall. If it ended up on the other side of the terrain and only 2 or 3 inches away from its original position, would you still invoke this rule even if it had to travel 12 or 18 inches to get there?

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Of Course. The Rules are what they are. The Rules say in this instance the Vehicle will be hit on a 4+ in assault.

You're wrong.

The vehicle didn't move "backwards and forwards", or "in circles".

It covered 12-18 inches of the field, and not in a prohibited movement pattern.

Defiler wrote:
You're wrong.

The vehicle didn't move "backwards and forwards", or "in circles".

It covered 12-18 inches of the field, and not in a prohibited movement pattern.

So if I pivot to the left, drive 5.75", turn right, drive 0.5", turn right, drive 5.75", and turn left, then I've moved 12" for combat despite my vehicles "actual distance covered from
its original position" being 0.5"? I didn't go 'in circles', and I didn't move 'backwards and forwards' any more than the vehicle in the above situation.

Good to know

That's correct, although you're going against the intent of the rule.

Please note the usage of "distanced covered". The rule is clearly in place to prevent phantom movement that doesn't actually shift your position.

GeneralRetreat wrote:I'm having visions of a Rhino kiting a squad of 8 Khorne Bezerkers around in a little circle for 6 turns.


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I've developed a trick of kiting furiosos using a raider and some trees. But that relies on having a 12" standard and 24" turbo move.

Isn't the Assaulting Vehicle rules based on Speed levels with distance only mattering for Cruising speed?

Assaulting a vehicle is based on =

Combat speed - (any movement at all between .00000009" and 6")
Cruising speed - (any movement beyond 6")

The distance moved will only be measured for Cruising speed as you only need to move more then 6" to qualify for the 6's to hit. So anyone who moves 6" forward and 6" back will qualify for Combat speed, but not Cruising (unless they actually do not move their tank and just say it moved because that would trigger the "actual distance" rule).

I guess the reason I have never seen this before is that I do not play with Douche bags.

athelu wrote:I guess the reason I have never seen this before is that I do not play with Douche bags.

Or perhaps you do. Just douche bags who aren't intelligent enough to figure out the rule exploit.