The Crimson Leaves...

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**JSK-Fox**

They are my own DIY chapter, and I will use this thread to tell you all about their backstory. Soon, a P&M Blog will go up, showcasing my Marines.

In the grim, dark, and gruesome universe of the 40th Millenium, there is a well-known Space Marine Chapter - The Ultramarines. They have embarked on many dangerous, yet courageous missions in the past, and certainly won't stop any time soon. However, there is one mission that few have even heard of, nevermind participated in. Only 24 Terminators and Marenus Calgar, have participated in this terrifying, yet rewarding mission. The aforementioned strike force were battling for a particularily important Space Hulk, when suddenly, the Space Hulk entered the warp. The Ultramarines did not expect this, and were suprised where they had arrived - Terra in a parallel universe, at about 2124 C.E. The U.S. had been invaded by Neo-Nazis, who had somehow destroyed everything that opposed them. They slowly gathered, and destroyed everything through sheer numbers. They were now going up to Canada. Marenus and the Terminators landed about 10 miles north of the borders in Ontario. They came just in time to be in the thick of battle...

Blood was shed on both the Canadian and Neo-Nazi sides, but thanks to the Ultramarines, the Canadians were victorious. Eventually, after about 463 battles, and over 150,000,000 deaths on both sides, the Neo Nazis were defeated, and retreated. The Ultramarines had managed to get a Cruiser to rescue them. But they demanded one thing from the Canadians - enough men and women to make a new Chapter. Many of them having owed their lives to the heroic Ultramarines, they complied with the order, and 2000 civilians deemed to be made into Space Marines were loaded on to the Cruiser, and sent through the Warp, back to Ultramar. They selected a young man, about 25 years old, a genius and an amazing soldier, to become the Chapter Master, and Master of the Forge. His name is only known as Master of the Forge Kaiser. He is a terribly vicious opponent, and wishes to destroy all who threaten the Emperor and their chapter. They have only 9 companies, however, and none follow the standard requirements for Chapter Companies.

Here is a List of their Companies, and their Composition (Sometimes Changes)

1st - The Knights of the Emperor "To victory before death!":
Master of the Forge Kaiser
Captain Mareno
1 Command Squad, in Razorback
2 Tactical Dreadnoughts
1 Ironclad Dreadnought
1 Venerable Dreadnought
1 Predator Tank
1 Tactical Terminator Squad, with Land Raider Redeemer
5 Tactical Squads, with a mix of Razorbacks and Rhinos
1 Scout Squad
3 Landspeeders
1 Assault Squad
1 Bike Squad

2nd - The Debt to the Emperor "We owe our lives to the Emperor - we must do what he wishes.":
Captain Sario
Sister-Chaplain Monea
1 Command Squad, in Razorback
1 Assault Termiator Squad, with Land Raider Crusader
1 Tactical Terminator Squad, with Land Raider Phobos
1 Sternguard Veteran Squad, in Rhino
2 Devastator Squads, with Razorbacks
1 Whrilwind
3 Tactical Squads, with Razorbacks
3 Scout Squads
2 Assault Squads
1 Scout Biker Squad

3rd - The Hammer of the Emperor "Strike the foe down through sheer might!":
Captain Desauris
Epistolary Jaques
1 Command Squad, with a Razorback
2 Ironclad Dreadnoughts
1 Assault Terminator Squad, with Land Raider Redeemer
2 Land Raider Crusaders
1 Devastator Squad, with a Razorback
6 Tactical Squads, with Razorbacks
9 Land Speeders

4th - The Emperor's Knife "We wedge ourselves in where none else can.":
Sister-Captain Thorsansa
Chaplain Thorsansa
1 Command Squad, with a Razorback
1 Sternguard Veteran Squad, with a Rhino
2 Tactical Terminator Squads
3 Devastator Squads, with Razorbacks
6 Scout Squads
2 Assault Squads
1 Land Speeder Storm

5th - The Emperor's Shield "We shall stand here. We shaln't move but an inch... Well, maybe six.":
Captain Sorassh
Sister-Epistolary Magnesh
1 Command Squad, with a Razorback
3 Tactical Dreadnoughts
2 Vindicators
1 Devastator Squad, with a Razorback
4 Tactical Marine Squads, with Razorbacks
2 Scout Squads
3 Land Speeders
2 Attack Bike Squads

6th - The Retribution of the Emperor "Going fast, full blast!":
Bike-Captain Mason
Bike-Chaplain Dorias
1 Command Squad
3 Assault Terminator Squads, one with Land Raider Redeemer
3 Predators
7 Bike Squads
6 Land Speeders

7th - The Stars of the Emperor "We rain upon the foe like a stormy day.":
Captain Beelawl
Chaplain Marcus
1 Command Squad, with a Drop Pod
2 Ironclad Dreadnoughts, with Drop Pods
1 Tactical Dreadnought, with a Drop Pod
2 Thunderfire Cannons, with Drop Pods
1 Devastator Squad, with a Drop Pod
6 Tactical Squads, with Drop Pods
3 Assault Squads, with Drop Pods

8th - The Emperor's Blood:
EXCOMMUNICATE TRAITORIS
Fell to Chaos in the Battle for Skull Plateau.

9th - The Emperor's Fury "We shall leave none alive!!!" (Based on Company 8, due to lack of a heavy assault company, and uses BA codex):
Sister-Captain Bloodfurian
Chaplain Xavier
1 Terminator Assault Squad
2 Furioso Dreadnoughts
3 Fast Predators
6 Assault Squads
1 Brothers of Penance Squad (Counts as DC)
2 Fast Baal Predators

Alliances:
Awesome is the best, meaning that they are amazing friends. (A)
Trust is pretty good, but they aren't the best of friends. (T)
Neutral is Neutral, simple. (N)
Distrust is not good, they don't like eachother. (D)
Hate is absolute hate, they refuse to work with eachother. (H)

Imperium: A
Inquisition: D
Eldar: N
Tau: D
Renegade Tau: T
729th Armoured Regiment (an army I plan on doing sooner or later): T
Ultramarines: A
Blood Angels: D
Dark Angels: N
Space Wolves: T
Black Templar: N
'Range Bootz (Orkz): D

MORE TO COME!!!

**ComputerGeek01**

I'm just going to leave your Canada vs. US_Nazi's_In_Space fluff alone and pick on the 40K cannon violations.

- No Ultramarine spin-off chapter would ignore Gullimans strict orders to adhere to the codex. Ever. PERIOD.

- Chapter Masters are heros, the best of the best the biggest of the mean they aren't teenagers; I like Orson Scott Card as much as any one here but Ender Wiggen is in a differant universe.

- 24 Termies at one objective sound like the emo-goth Death Angles not the Ultramarines.

- The 8th seems like a cool way to add some flavor to your chapter and I applaud your effort but a new chapter who have already had an entire company fall to chaos seems a little odd.

- Sister Captain? Space Marines are Women now? That would be the ugliest chick ever.

**JSK-Fox**

First off, they aren't fighting the US, because these guys have went forward into time to 40k. Sorry if I forgot to mention that.

These guys are meant to be flavourful. I don't care that they are about as fluffy as a snake - These guys love 'special fun' massages from Eldar ladies, so I don't think they care that much about adhering to a codex. Hell, they even like Tau a little bit.

The Chapter Master was chosen because he was smart, okay? Simple. Also, he is a MotF, so he has enough biological enhancements and mechanical parts that he makes the Iron Hands look like unmodified humans.

The 24 termies are there because of, *gasp* a SPACE HULK!

If you do not get the extreme pun in the 8th, look at the number, and then think of Khorne. You'll think of something, I'm sure...

Some Space Marines can be women. If you don't like it, sorry mate, but I'm adding them. Also, I'm not making them obviously female. They look like normal Space Marines, because the armour obstructs the generally different body shapes.

But, I'm sorry for any confusion.

**The Emperor of Mankind**

I don't think it's worth picking at discrepancies it might have with the 40k universe - making your own team and giving it a backstory can be more fun than adhering to a predetermined one.

**JSK-Fox**

Thanks man.
Also, any critisism?

In other news, I'm getting SC2 pre-ordered!!!

**Volkov**

As for Neo-Nazis invading the U.S. allow me to quote Admiral Yamamato "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

**JSK-Fox**

GRIMDARK GRIMDARK GRIMDARK

**micahaphone**

Well, no one is going to question your originality. A little odd, but I'm glad to see another DIY chapter. Hooray for not having marines w/ the same color scheme as Cub Scouts! (US only) (the lame 1-4th grade version of Boy Scouts)

**JSK-Fox**

I figured.
For all who sincerely don't get the 8th company falling to Chaos, Khorne loves 8, and these guys aren't exactly the closest to the Emprah, if you know what I mean.
They are Crimson and Grey!!!

**Corrode**

The whole thing just seems bloody silly. I mean, I get that it's meant to be a bit 'out there', but you seem to be taking it somewhat seriously and... I dunno. There's a bit too much 'OMG ZANY' stuff in there, it's past the point of being amusing and tongue-in-cheek.

**mal**

TTTTTuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh-----RRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

I say this much too often; but I can only assume that this list is in fact an attempt at setting off the dakka-fluff-nazis.

I mean the back story alone reads like a copy of 'animorphs'

**Terminus**

I couldn't get past the name. "Leaves"? Really?

Master Kaiser? Is that like Master Chief? The whole fluff sounds like an exercise in fantasy-fulfillment. Basically, a Halo/40k-equivalent of Twilight.

**JSK-Fox**

Master as in Chapter Master, Master of the Forge.

For the Leaves, look at the flag of Canada.
And it is meant to be cheesy. But thanks for commenting!
I'll try and make it better

**terribletrygon**

Is this a parody or a serious attempt at a Chapter?

**Joetaco**

i don't know man beyond the butchery of the fluff, i have a few complaints.
1. do you really think that out of ALL the countries on earth that America would be conquered... by a not army...
2. out of all the things they could of done would neo nazis really invade canada, wouldn;t they be content with a "pure america"
3. would a force who defeated american millitary and conquered the country really have that much difficulty attacking canada? (arguement being that calgar and company could only be spread so far, somewhere only canadian forces would defend)
4. their are methods of recruiting space marines would canadians (soldiers or not) fighting what could be at best called over glorified thugs be really be qualified enough to be space marines
5. the teen who became chapter master, really...

**Iron_Chaos_Brute**

This can't be serious. Go back to writing fanfics.

**DarkHound**

The fluff... it calls for blood! BLOOD OF THIS HERETIC!

PM or Manchu me if you really want help with the story.

**JSK-Fox**

Updated.

**Manchu**

While I admire the enthusiasm of your imagination, I can't say that I think the fluff is particularly compelling. Best to keep your chapter in the far future and outside of parallel universes. If you want to capitalize on real-world themes, why not create 40k analogues? Your Canadian v. Neo-Nazi (sigh) plot could easily be converted into the battle for some Imperial planet (with some name changes please). You just need to push your creativity a bit further, I'd say.

**JSK-Fox**

But then they aren't canadians. And then all my efforts to add maple leaves and red and white (er... grey. Grey is the new white anyways

) will have been ruined. I know it is in no way compelling. I simply wrote a bit of cheesy backstory to add at least a little fluff to these guys.

**Exarch_Nektel**

JSK-Fox wrote:First off, they aren't fighting the US, because these guys have went forward into time to 40k. Sorry if I forgot to mention that.

These guys are meant to be flavourful. I don't care that they are about as fluffy as a snake - These guys love 'special fun' massages from Eldar ladies, so I don't think they care that much about adhering to a codex. Hell, they even like Tau a little bit.

The Chapter Master was chosen because he was smart, okay? Simple. Also, he is a MotF, so he has enough biological enhancements and mechanical parts that he makes the Iron Hands look like unmodified humans.

The 24 termies are there because of, *gasp* a SPACE HULK!

If you do not get the extreme pun in the 8th, look at the number, and then think of Khorne. You'll think of something, I'm sure...

Some Space Marines can be women. If you don't like it, sorry mate, but I'm adding them. Also, I'm not making them obviously female. They look like normal Space Marines, because the armour obstructs the generally different body shapes.

But, I'm sorry for any confusion.

You used the poll to ask what people thought. When they didn't like it, you vehemently defended your idea and didn't atke any of their advice into account. Somebody might need to call the waaahmbulance.

As to what I have to say, flavor the marines however you want, and make their backstory whatever you want, as long as you're having fun. Just don't whine a people who give you criticism, especially when you specifically ask for it.

**JSK-Fox**

Woah man. When others get a little aggresive to me, I do the same to them. I was responding directly to that guy. I need no waaahmbulance, because I am not crying at all. I never did whine either, so meh on that part. Unless that is you consider simple explanations as whining.

Good day sir.

**ComputerGeek01**

Ok, flavorful marines I can respect, your story was too crazy for me to take as a joke and you came off as a kid who needed pointed in another direction.

As for the Neo-Nazi thing? If you have ever met any of these guys you would realize that ignostic fundamentalists are a bigger threat to national security. Just picturing the ones I knew getting enough motivation to actually accomplish something like conquering the US is impossible to do with out laughing.

As for the Female Space Marines, there have been dozens of these conversations on this site so I will not argue but let me say this:

Female BA Sergent: "DIE XENOES SCUM!!!!DIE DIE DIE!!!"

BA Death Company Marine: "Whoah, I thought I was angry"

Other Death Company Marine: "Yeah she gets like this every 30 or so days. There probably won't be anything left to kill..."

Again, I like the Ender approach, if Peter was first captain there would be nothing to stop them. If you haven't read Enders Game I highley recommend it, I just thought you might not be aware of what being a Space Marine Captain takes.

**KamikazeCanuck**

ok, he's obviously very young so give him a break.
I like the chapter name and colours but ya it doesn't make a lot of sense. Biggest problem is Women can't be space marines: its a genetic thing just can't be done.

**Prestofet**

Nazi surf ninjas must die!!!!!

**MekanobSamael**

I would offer criticism here, but I think that the rest of the DakkaDakka community has got that one covered. (As a side-note, I just got the Crimson Leaves reference. We orks aren't known for our wit.) I think that the backstory is hokey as hell, but anyone who's read that line about the six terminators in the basement of the Macragge polar fortress can forgive that. I do think that a chapter formed by Calgar would be pretty rigidly organized according the the Codex Astartes, though, so you might want to pick a chapter that's a little bit farther divorced from the Ultramarines. I really dig the idea that they permanently left a company that turned stricken from the roster. Maybe they still have conflicts with that group of traitors. Sounds like a great springboard for a narratively driven campaign. Keep practicing the fluff writing, and read some 40K novels. You'll get the hang of it.

As to female space marines, I'm willing to bet that Imperial genetic engineering has reached the point where it can functionally make female space marines. They would probably, in taking on the characteristics of the (male) Emperor, though, develop male skeletal and muscular structure. Any differences left over would be obscured by the power armor anyway. On the other side, though, such a socially conservative organization as the Imperial Space Marines would probably still refer to them as "Brother-Captains" regardless of gender. This is especially true in an ultramarines successor chapter.

ComputerGeek01 wrote:As for the Female Space Marines, there have been dozens of these conversations on this site so I will not argue but let me say this:

Female BA Sergent: "DIE XENOES SCUM!!!!DIE DIE DIE!!!"

BA Death Company Marine: "Whoah, I thought I was angry"

Other Death Company Marine: "Yeah she gets like this every 30 or so days. There probably won't be anything left to kill..."

Seriously?

**KamikazeCanuck**

MekanobSamael wrote:I would offer criticism here, but I think that the rest of the DakkaDakka community has got that one covered. (As a side-note, I just got the Crimson Leaves reference. We orks aren't known for our wit.) I think that the backstory is hokey as hell, but anyone who's read that line about the six terminators in the basement of the Macragge polar fortress can forgive that. I do think that a chapter formed by Calgar would be pretty rigidly organized according the the Codex Astartes, though, so you might want to pick a chapter that's a little bit farther divorced from the Ultramarines. I really dig the idea that they permanently left a company that turned stricken from the roster. Maybe they still have conflicts with that group of traitors. Sounds like a great springboard for a narratively driven campaign. Keep practicing the fluff writing, and read some 40K novels. You'll get the hang of it.

As to female space marines, I'm willing to bet that Imperial genetic engineering has reached the point where it can functionally make female space marines. They would probably, in taking on the characteristics of the (male) Emperor, though, develop male skeletal and muscular structure. Any differences left over would be obscured by the power armor anyway. On the other side, though, such a socially conservative organization as the Imperial Space Marines would probably still refer to them as "Brother-Captains" regardless of gender. This is especially true in an ultramarines successor chapter.

ComputerGeek01 wrote:As for the Female Space Marines, there have been dozens of these conversations on this site so I will not argue but let me say this:

Female BA Sergent: "DIE XENOES SCUM!!!!DIE DIE DIE!!!"

BA Death Company Marine: "Whoah, I thought I was angry"

Other Death Company Marine: "Yeah she gets like this every 30 or so days. There probably won't be anything left to kill..."

Seriously?

Imperial science has not evolved at all: that's kinda the whole theme of 40K.

**MekanobSamael**

Science has evolved (seeing as they are, ya know, building supersoldiers that spit acid and don't sleep), it's just that it has since regressed to the point where it is no longer understood as science, but as mysticism.

**KamikazeCanuck**

MekanobSamael wrote:Science has evolved (seeing as they are, ya know, building supersoldiers that spit acid and don't sleep), it's just that it has since regressed to the point where it is no longer understood as science, but as mysticism.

Yes exactly. They barely grasped that stuff when The Emperor was alive. In 10,000 years I think they've only invented The Land Raider Crusader and the Storm Bolter!

**Exarch_Nektel**

JSK-Fox wrote:Woah man. When others get a little aggresive to me, I do the same to them. I was responding directly to that guy. I need no waaahmbulance, because I am not crying at all. I never did whine either, so meh on that part. Unless that is you consider simple explanations as whining.

Good day sir.

Just to let you know, you're doing it again.

And thank you, a good day to you too, kind sir