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Howard A Treesong wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:I think they broke their mold for the Battlewagon, and never wanted to reinvest in making a new one.

Haven't they broken up a lot of their older moulds? They used to have a service where you could have just about any old figure recast but this seems to have been wound up, and now the classics/collectors area of their site seem full of stuff only a couple of year old. The bulk of stuff is just unavailable. As far as I'm concerned, if it was produced since the release of 40K 3rd edition, it's not a 'classic' figure.

I don't know about them intentionally breaking up moulds, but keeping them in service forever just to cast a couple things a year is expensive.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I don't see how the moulds get broken. They are made of steel!

Well, unless it is cast with a flaw in it. Thats possible I suppose.

Steel can break, an I think the molds are fairly fragile, like it someone drops it and it develops a crack or something.

Yeah,

I don't know if this kit was plastic or metal (or resin?)
I thought the metal models were made in a kinda rubber mould? which i guess breaks down...
and plastic models in steel molds...

I dunno?

But new one looks cool... worth the wait?
and a plastic stompa... being apoc only kinda thing, I'd rather see other stuff in plastic first... sorry.

PaniC...

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I don't see how the moulds get broken. They are made of steel!

Moulds get broken all the time unfortunately, as Airfix managed recently with their TSR-2 just after the first production run making the kit relatively rare - Oops!

Panic wrote:Yeah,

I don't know if this kit was plastic or metal (or resin?)
I thought the metal models were made in a kinda rubber mould? which i guess breaks down...
and plastic ones in steel...

I dunno?

PaniC...

Yes, the rubber or whatever has a limited lifespan, after a while of being shot full of hot plastic and worked by a machine they go brittle and bits come off and and detail starts to degrade. Sometimes they will cut another but that's an expensive job, and you'd weigh up the economics of it against how many you'd expect to sell.

The Rhino was produced for years, thank god they retired that tired old kit, but I think the quality on that wasn't as good as examples from when it was first made. On the other hand, GW might have just been rushing the production and whipping them out the moulds faster, which is one reason you get sink marks.

Fnarr fnarr! You typed Oops referring to a broken mould and a now rare model, and the dictionary thingy lists oops as Out Of Production!

How Poetic!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Fnarr fnarr! You typed Oops referring to a broken mould and a now rare model, and the dictionary thingy lists oops as Out Of Production!

How Poetic!

Well yes, I umm... intended it that way all along of course, yes. Ahem.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I don't see how the moulds get broken. They are made of steel!

Moulds get broken all the time unfortunately, as Airfix managed recently with their TSR-2 just after the first production run making the kit relatively rare - Oops!

Something similar happened wit the plastic Dwarf Lord / BSB sprue, apparently shortly after test casts were made but before production kicked in. They didn't remake the sprue, opting instead to do some dwarf lords in metal, but there's a pic of what might have been in the CCM Wiki.

As well as the Aquila prow Light Cruiser for BFG, which only went 1 run and was sold to staffers.

The battlewagon pictured in this thread is the old Armorcast model. The reason production stopped is that they lost the liscence to produce GW-related items.

It's still a great kit, despite its age.

There was also a plastic kit.

Panic wrote:
and a plastic stompa... being apoc only kinda thing, I'd rather see other stuff in plastic first... sorry.

True, a Warbuggy/Wartrakk/Skorcha all-in-one kit with orky bits, Big Gunz kit, and Killa Kanz would be most welcomed. Agreed?

Now a plastic Stompa on the other hand would be the reason for me to get into Apocalypse which is what I think GW is wanting to push with releasing this model as a kit. If it sells well, then they can explore more with the bigger stuff. This of course is entirely my opinion, I just have high hopes.

Personally I prefer plastic...i would probably buy 50% more if everything was plastic.

well if they do i hope it actually looks like a ork version of a titan. because that LAME ass bell version is horrible looking IMO. Everytime i see one of those drawn or even scratch built, it makes me feel a bit annoyed. if they do come out looking like bells im just making my own.

The metal molds used for casting plastic wear over time. Therefore they are reworked after a while. Curious how they never managed to break the mold of the original Rhino...
Probably they had several Rhino molds, as GW can't afford not to sell Rhino's as they are their best selling vehicle kit. The original plastic Predator turret (ca. 1990) sprue with the T-72 like turret had not been in use for many years too.

madrobot wrote:The battlewagon pictured in this thread is the old Armorcast model. The reason production stopped is that they lost the liscence to produce GW-related items.

It's still a great kit, despite its age.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There was also a plastic kit.

The original is was a plastic kit by GW in the late eighties (sometime after the Rhino). A view years after GW stopped producing it, Armorcast released a resin version of the same model.

if its pastic, theres are chance it will be under £100
if resin, im guessing about £300 ish

so im hoping its plastic, much easier to buy 2 a week for 3 - 4 weeks at that than warhound prices.

Epicast did too, IIRC.

Panic wrote:yeah,
does anyone know what happened to his one.. i thought it was the original offical battle wagon.
Why did they stop making it?


PaniC>..

because that particular battle wagon looks like a 4 year old made it from legos..

It does seem very small compared to what we're used to. It is not a bad Battlewagon... according to 2nd Edition Standards. But with Landraiders and Baneblades on the table now, it is hard to believe that this one has Armor 14 on the front.

Compared to the small 2nd Edition (Gorkamorka Trukks) it seems a lot bigger.

I am looking forward to the new Battlewagon, though, and won't look back once I have my hands on one.

I'm still trying to work out why an original Rhino I own has the spikes from that Battlewagon on it, yet none of us have ever owned or even held a Battlewagon before.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm still trying to work out why an original Rhino I own has the spikes from that Battlewagon on it, yet none of us have ever owned or even held a Battlewagon before.

BYE

They look like the spikes from the Chaos Spiky Bits sprue.

those spikes and armor bits also came in other kits as part of its own sprue. I think it was in the hellhound kit, for example...

They were on the armour plate sprue that was re-released when Gorka Morka was out.

Hellhound? The Hellhounhd kit has never come with spikes and this model came about long before Chaos got then 2nd Ed Codex.

BYE