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Cool a new space hulk game will definitely be a purchase for me, i loved the first game when it came out and still have some of the models from it! I get the feeling the models will be same scale as normal 40k models, perhaps the plastic terminators in AoBR are a test bed for the new models in space hulk? If so i cant wait because the ones in AoBR are great for clip together models? We would get the best of both worlds, a great new board game and also when the need arises additional termies for the important annialation mission or additional stealers to tear apart the foe!

bring it on!

i would like to see GW break from the 40k scale for this. simply to just break from the obviously huge hardcore follwoing of 40k, which can scare a lot of less enthusiastic people off it. and IMO large termies would have to feature big in my "wants" list

If they are planning on doing a complete box set which includes plastic moulded tiles & walls, then I'm more than happy for it to be 35mm. As far as I can see, even if SH was released at the same scale as before, GW would still see AoBR as their "gateway" game. AoBR is far more forgiving than SH when it comes to game play.

If GW was going to play with the scale I'd figure they'd go smaller not bigger. 15mm or so to allow for squeezing more into the box and for bigger layouts.

I don't really see them doing this, but that's how it would go.

Why are people saying 35mm?

I remember when the first Epic Terminators came out, our gaming group at the time messed about with Epic Space Hulk.... daft, but amusing game :-)

look at the rumors spin doctors...

One theory about a word format and weird a guess they could be larger scale and all of a sudden they're supposed to be larger scale.

They won't. I hope the real rumor in the beginning is true. It'll make business and hobby sense and introduce new folks to the game, please the old bears and the 40k players and the =I=munda etc. get super sweet terrain for their skirmish/narrative/RPG set ups.

I played lot wih the first one. My friend still has it, and using the genestealer and terminator modells for 40k.
Maybe i'll purchase this one and play Dark Heresy battles (we playing a small noble family lost its money and power, and recuitted by Ig) in it.

If it is going to be a completely new rule system, I am already shaking with fear for what they will do to that wonderful little defenceless game...

Have no fear, Jervis will use lubrication and Viagra to make it as pleasing as possible when that "certain handsome and rugged designer" goes over the rules.

BrookM wrote:Have no fear, Jervis will use lubrication and Viagra to make it as pleasing as possible when that "certain handsome and rugged designer" goes over the rules.

I just imagined that...

Anything other than the standard scale equates to a no buy for me.

Take a look at things objectively.

Like it or not, GW is primarily a business (as HBMC points out) and they're going to focus on what is best for their bottom line.

If they completely change the rules and/or make the models a different scale, then that will be a business decision. Quite a few posters say that they won't buy the game in this case but I wonder if GW cares? What should we do - start a petition or something to tell them we won't buy it if they don't listen to us?

It would make no difference in the slightest and I doubt that the "veteran" gamers are the products intended market. Space Hulk is likely to only be a one-off purchase and they may well target it at non-40k players as a reasonably cheap introduction. I doubt if GW will make Space Hulk into another AoBR.

The real money is still made in WH and WH40k - as long as they keep tempting people into these, they can and will change the "specialist" games to get people hooked.

BrookM.... that is just Nasty!

I don't care about the scale, but if they make it much larger, I probably won't be buying.

Why? The original barely fit onto a kitchen table. (And that was the "normal" missions from the book) Any increase in scale is going to make this much harder to do. It could also mean smaller maps, with few tactical options, due to the decreased size of the maps. It also means that any tiles included in the game are going to be fewer, since larger size means more material. If they do change the scale to make it incompatible with 40K I'd prefer to see something smaller, not larger. Honestly though 25/30 mm is a really nice sweet spot for skirmish models.

Konrad Carstein wrote:Take a look at things objectively.

Like it or not, GW is primarily a business (as HBMC points out) and they're going to focus on what is best for their bottom line.

If they completely change the rules and/or make the models a different scale, then that will be a business decision. Quite a few posters say that they won't buy the game in this case but I wonder if GW cares? What should we do - start a petition or something to tell them we won't buy it if they don't listen to us?

It would make no difference in the slightest and I doubt that the "veteran" gamers are the products intended market. Space Hulk is likely to only be a one-off purchase and they may well target it at non-40k players as a reasonably cheap introduction. I doubt if GW will make Space Hulk into another AoBR.

The real money is still made in WH and WH40k - as long as they keep tempting people into these, they can and will change the "specialist" games to get people hooked.

I know quite a few board gamers who will buy Space Hulk the instant it is released. They have absolutely no desire to play Warhammer 40K.

Space Hulk should be able to stand alone as its own product, however, I agree that it would be a nice place to start in to 40K if the models are 28mm heroic. If the terrain is indeed plastic, and indeed awesome I could see buying a 2nd set or getting the terrain on ebay (or bitz services) because a Hulk board would be cool.

As mentioned it could also be used in Dark Heresy or the upcoming Rouge Trader RPG which sounds way cool.

Lagduf wrote:

Konrad Carstein wrote:Take a look at things objectively.

Like it or not, GW is primarily a business (as HBMC points out) and they're going to focus on what is best for their bottom line.

If they completely change the rules and/or make the models a different scale, then that will be a business decision. Quite a few posters say that they won't buy the game in this case but I wonder if GW cares? What should we do - start a petition or something to tell them we won't buy it if they don't listen to us?

It would make no difference in the slightest and I doubt that the "veteran" gamers are the products intended market. Space Hulk is likely to only be a one-off purchase and they may well target it at non-40k players as a reasonably cheap introduction. I doubt if GW will make Space Hulk into another AoBR.

The real money is still made in WH and WH40k - as long as they keep tempting people into these, they can and will change the "specialist" games to get people hooked.

I know quite a few board gamers who will buy Space Hulk the instant it is released. They have absolutely no desire to play Warhammer 40K.

Space Hulk should be able to stand alone as its own product, however, I agree that it would be a nice place to start in to 40K if the models are 28mm heroic. If the terrain is indeed plastic, and indeed awesome I could see buying a 2nd set or getting the terrain on ebay (or bitz services) because a Hulk board would be cool.

As mentioned it could also be used in Dark Heresy or the upcoming Rouge Trader RPG which sounds way cool.

Rouge Trader...?!

Is this a whole new rumour; are GW branching out into something else entirely...?!!!!

Rouge Trader RPG is a supplement/expansion to the Dark Heresy RPG released a year ago or so.

I was talking about "Rouge" not "Rogue"

sorry, just my sense of humour...I'll get my coat.

ROGUE you gits, ROGUE. Not rouge.

Indead, "Rouge trader" is the new Eldar suppliment, something else entirely.... :-)

Or should that be "Rough Trader"? :-))

Druidic wrote:Or should that be "Rough Trader"? :-))

And now we're talking about Jervis and the Viagra again...

Inceidentalty HBMC, you ever met our 7ft viking friend Warwick? He may be a cut and paste rules guy, but he's sweet with it :-)

Konrad Carstein wrote:

Lagduf wrote:

Konrad Carstein wrote:Take a look at things objectively.

Like it or not, GW is primarily a business (as HBMC points out) and they're going to focus on what is best for their bottom line.

If they completely change the rules and/or make the models a different scale, then that will be a business decision. Quite a few posters say that they won't buy the game in this case but I wonder if GW cares? What should we do - start a petition or something to tell them we won't buy it if they don't listen to us?

It would make no difference in the slightest and I doubt that the "veteran" gamers are the products intended market. Space Hulk is likely to only be a one-off purchase and they may well target it at non-40k players as a reasonably cheap introduction. I doubt if GW will make Space Hulk into another AoBR.

The real money is still made in WH and WH40k - as long as they keep tempting people into these, they can and will change the "specialist" games to get people hooked.

I know quite a few board gamers who will buy Space Hulk the instant it is released. They have absolutely no desire to play Warhammer 40K.

Space Hulk should be able to stand alone as its own product, however, I agree that it would be a nice place to start in to 40K if the models are 28mm heroic. If the terrain is indeed plastic, and indeed awesome I could see buying a 2nd set or getting the terrain on ebay (or bitz services) because a Hulk board would be cool.

As mentioned it could also be used in Dark Heresy or the upcoming Rouge Trader RPG which sounds way cool.

Rouge Trader...?!

Is this a whole new rumour; are GW branching out into something else entirely...?!!!!

Excuse me, Rogue Trader

A Rouge Trader is a special kind of Rogue Trader...yes....specializing in feminine facial products in the 41st millenium....

Techboss wrote:Anything other than the standard scale equates to a no buy for me.

Same here.

I'd imagine that someone, somewhere in GW realizes that they'd probably sell more if it is in the existing 40K scale than if it isn't...

And, as has been previously mentioned, regarding the ridiculously priced multi-part and poseable plastic Terminator set, AoBR should have removed that particular 'fear' from the equation.

I want to repeat Kyoto-sama's question: where are we getting 35mm from? The quote from BOLS says:

Sources say to expect it in Q3 2009, and we have heard tales of modular plastic boards, an extensive set of large scale sprues with all the termys and genestealers you can shake a stick it, and all new fancy elements such as sliding doors and the like. There might even be a need for batteries (perhaps). Expect a full sized boxed game that will make all you cry with tears of joy.

Okay, large-scale could be read meaning bigger (or as one pointed out, smaller) figures than 28mm, but a specific scale/size?

Since they've already got the sprues for simple genestealers and terminators worked out (or easily cut via CAD) from BFM and AOBR, it seems silly that'd they'd go bigger/smaller. Plastic terrain would be nice. I'm also worried about the rules, but nothing stopping you from finding a copy of the old rules somewhere on the 'net and using those with your shiny new candy-like figures. That's what I'd do if they didn't come out with the terrain sprues by themselves

syr8766 wrote:I want to repeat Kyoto-sama's question: where are we getting 35mm from? The quote from BOLS says:

I got 35mm from when I first heard about the Space Hulk release in January and was told that the studio was considering it as a possibility. Note, NOT a confirmation it's being done, just one of many things they considered.

This is what net rumours are all about... everyone can spread nutty rumours based on... whatever

A space hulk, new nid codex next year and a plastic trygon... I just need plastic gargs and I can die a happy bug.

NAVARRO wrote:... I just need plastic gargs and I can die a happy bug.

Hmmm... when the next 'nid codex rolls around you might be a happy bug indeed.

*sound of squealing brakes*

Plastic gargoyles, you say? Hmm. I probably have 40 of the 2nd edition version. Might be nice to finally upgrade.

Back on topic, perhaps the corridors, etc. will just be larger to fit a 40mm terminator base.