Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Asmodai wrote:Rackham basically had to bet the farm on PPP technology. GW prefers to do everything in house, so the China argument doesn't fly either (plus GW doesn't want legions of knock-off unbranded Space Marines coming out of that factory after hours).

Also the last time GW went off shore for something we got the Realm of Battle Ripoff with the magically expanding price tag - something I am certain GW neither wanted nor planned for and simply wasn't their fault. I really doubt they'd want to head down that road again if there's even a chance of getting bitten like that again.

Like I said the minis will be 28mm, not painted and the terminators will be Blood Angels. You'll just have to take my word for it.

G

I also hear the art will be fantastic, the rules will be great, and everyone will want to play Space Hulk.

Honestly, in the end, I don't care about the models. I have a Company of Terminators and nearly 150 Genestealers. Hell, I don't even really care about the game - I have both editions of Space Hulk already, and a third one means little to me.

I just want those tiles...

I want it all Specially more stealers,and termis, and tiles...

BTW I'm yet to see a PPP miniature remotely interesting... R gambled all and lost, IMO.

Let's face it, are the models going to be that important?

If the terminators are chapter specific, then SM die-hards will just use their own squads anyway. I always used traitor terminator models from waaaaay back because they were cool and it was a chance to make a really decent looking squad.

And as for stealers...are they going to redesign them to be different from the current ones? Presumably they'll have to...

The tile system works well in Mighty Empires so would it be something similar, just with corridor and room-type pieces?

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Green - You base your comment on? I'm not saying that you're wrong or even that I don't believe you, I'd just like a little more than a statement with nothing to back it up.

Well, he is following a trend no?

Asmodai wrote:The games that do feature PPP (e.g. Tannhauser) rely on that as a gimmick. They're a tiny minority really.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you here, but mostly because HCrealms(42k) has only 11k less users than Warseer(53k). Once you start factoring in that a large amount of WM/H players also play Monsterpocalypse, I would say PPP games are just as popular(if not actually more so) as non-PPP games.

just use the genestealers and gaunts as warriors

Platuan4th wrote:

Asmodai wrote:The games that do feature PPP (e.g. Tannhauser) rely on that as a gimmick. They're a tiny minority really.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you here, but mostly because HCrealms(42k) has only 11k less users than Warseer(53k). Once you start factoring in that a large amount of WM/H players also play Monsterpocalypse, I would say PPP games are just as popular(if not actually more so) as non-PPP games.

Boardgames? probably but wargames? hell, no way mate

NAVARRO wrote:Boardgames? probably but wargames? hell, no way mate

I wouldn't class something using a map(including B5, Battletech, and anything else that has ever used a grid/hex map system) as necessarily a board game(I usually think RISK, Axis and Allies, and Monopoly for this), but YMMV.

Platuan4th wrote:

Asmodai wrote:The games that do feature PPP (e.g. Tannhauser) rely on that as a gimmick. They're a tiny minority really.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you here, but mostly because HCrealms(42k) has only 11k less users than Warseer(53k). Once you start factoring in that a large amount of WM/H players also play Monsterpocalypse, I would say PPP games are just as popular(if not actually more so) as non-PPP games.

I was comparing to BoardGameGeek: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/

I can't find any specific usage stats, but it's huge.

New rumours from BoardGameGeek!
Last post on the bottom of the page

baba44713 wrote:
I have actually seen the prototype of the new version. They are testing it out here because it's a niche market and they hope the information wouldn't leak.. well, too bad they ran into a BGG'er.

Anyway, the new version involves the following:

Plastic hallway pieces that stand on small legs so you can reach underneath with magnet sticks (explained beneath).

Each miniature has a small magnet on its base. Addionally, genestealers are fitted with a small battery which makes them move their arms

To reinforce the "realistic experience" (as stated in the manual), you are not allowed to touch the pieces directly but have to use magnetic sticks which you stick under the boards and use them to move the figures "remotely". This sounds ridicilous but actually works just fine. GW stated that if this catches on, they think about including "magnet sticks" in the Warhammer series.

SH has a new ruleset that does away with those pesky " 4 action points" and "command points" and uses a much more elegant system: you throw a little 6-sided cube with numbers 1 to 6 on it; the number you see on the top when it stops rolling is the number of "action points" you have on the turn. Genious!

Anyway I would post some pics but I don't want to breach the signed "prototype test" contract too much.

Cheers!

I have to agree that the 6 sided cube is a stroke of genius.



I really couldnt stop laughing while reading it. "magnetic sticks" & "moving arms" indeed.

two_heads_talking wrote:Well, he is following a trend no?

Was that directed at me, or are you just trying to be cute?

Hellfury wrote:I really couldnt stop laughing while reading it. "magnetic sticks" & "moving arms" indeed.

That is easily the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If GW really does this... wait one...

*underling whispers to HBMC that it's Apirl 1st*

... oh... uhh... I mean I knew that. Totally. *ahem*

ENOUGH APRIL 1ST CRAP ALREADY!

My initial thoughts on that where:
"How much would that cost?"

Does it have to be Loyalist Termies and Genestealers?

They should put other races into the game too. Orks and Chaos Marines can usually be found in Space Hulks as well.

Stealers and Termies are the classic. Space Hulk wouldn't be Space Hulk without them.

They may well include rules for other races, either in the book, or online. Who can tell at this stage?

At the very least, we'll have to wait until tomorrow.

I would like to put forth that if GW decided to remake the entire Space Marine line as true scale plastic models, I would rebuy my entire army, and then some.

I was kind of half hoping that the most recent 'dex would usher in true scale kits since nearly the entire line was already plastic. No such luck there, but if Space Hulk had bigger termies (which it won't) I would certainly buy a pile.

On a related note, if some of that idle Chinese capacity wanted to start kicking out cheap, prepainted, modular building tiles and sets, I would be down for that. Prepainted buildings are far less offensive to me than prepainted soldiers. I hate painting buildings, and really the quality for buildings doesn't have to be as sharp as it does for little men anyway.

I am going to make a fortune selling "New Space Hulk Magnet Sticks" on Ebay - a FORTUNE!!!!

Platuan4th wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Boardgames? probably but wargames? hell, no way mate

I wouldn't class something using a map(including B5, Battletech, and anything else that has ever used a grid/hex map system) as necessarily a board game(I usually think RISK, Axis and Allies, and Monopoly for this), but YMMV.

If it uses a board (or map) to play on it's generally a board game.

If the map has spaces for movement delineated on it (such as in games where pieces move) then it's definitely a board game.

Wargames as a genre of "games" includes both board games and tabletop miniatures.

I play both. I even have some collectible miniatures games [which are board games] too.

I wouldn't mind paying upwards of $100 for this. Most of Fantasy Flight Games stuff has an MSRP nearing that range. So long as GW makes the product worth the price i'll get it. If it's not worth it, i'll just purchase it from an online deep discounter

Avalon Hill type games are what I call board wargames, to distinguish them from games like Monopoly.

Kilkrazy wrote:Avalon Hill type games are what I call board wargames, to distinguish them from games like Monopoly.

Yes, but the real Avalon Hill has been defunct for at least a decade. Now you're looking at producers such as MMP, GMT, Avalanche Press, etc

Wehrkind: I have to agree with you regarding some of the prepainted buildings VS prepainted mini's There is a company out there that sells pre-painted terrain it is a German Co. but I can't think of the name right now I'll have to get back with you on that, but they have really nice prepainted terrain that is very reasonable in price.

As far as board Games, I have a few classics out there myself. Warhammer Quest, Hero Quest, Advanced Hero,Quest, Battle Masters, and now Descent which is a really nice adventure board game...

Greenlight: Definitely let me know if you think of it! I wouldn't mind grabbing some more city bits to pack the table with!

Wehrkind wrote:Greenlight: Definitely let me know if you think of it! I wouldn't mind grabbing some more city bits to pack the table with!

Same here!

Please find that name, if you can...

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Does it have to be Loyalist Termies and Genestealers?

They should put other races into the game too. Orks and Chaos Marines can usually be found in Space Hulks as well.

I think it is fairly certain that the game will feature Termies vs Genes, it's the classic matchup and people like seeing it


However, i really hope they include rules for other races. I would *love* to see some Guardsmen fighting off Genes or even Orks

Guardsmen versus the evil bitey aliens would be something more appealing to the broader audience, as you have the kind of protagonist the non-initiated can relate to.

Only downside: lasguns aren't as cool as brass-ejecting machine guns.