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I thought that "Water on Mars" was good.

The Oed at the end was weird. I think the Oed have some kind of special ablitly or something.

The end of time trailer was good. From what I can see it seems that the Doctor went too far and its now his time to die. The master is back (He looks younger and his head went all like x-ray for a second in the trailer) Maybe he's back to finish the Doctor?


I seriously think that the Oed have some kind of weird power. You see some ancient Oed in the trailer and one apeared at the end of Water on Mars.

I may be misremembering, but wasn't it an Ood that told the doctor he was gonna die? If that is the case, the one at the end of Waters of Mars was probably a figment of the doctor's imagination.

Ood seem to have some kind of precog ability, as demonstrated with the Doctordonna bit.

Oh, and it looks like my personal favourite waste of Red Hair and a Wazza Pair of Jugs is also turning up. Alongside Wilf (YAY WILF!)

Another episode I liked a lot was the one where a little black girl was being 'haunted' by her abusive father's ghost (kind of.) It ended with the Doctor carrying the torch for the 2012 Olympics.

Agreed, though I think I enjoyed it more, because it's Trailer didn't give me much hope of it being any cop.

Doesn't always hold true for Doctor Who thankfully, which is normally every bit as good as the Trailers make out. I think the overall acclaim for the new Series is testament to just how good it is. Only very rarely can you ressurect an old, much loved (to the point of obsession for many) TV or Film Series to a tiny minority of whinges!

Only other example which springs to mind for me would be Star Trek The Next Generation (and subsequent Spin Offs) which in common with Dr Who, did nothing to the old series, and instead moved things on, with the occasional plot driven reference. Most such attempts at ressurection tend to veer way off track by taking the piss out the original, camping it up too much, being too serious etc.

Oh, and Battlestar Galactica, which worked not because it was a remake, but a reimagining. Not a particularly enthusiastic term, but it worked well in this case, as it didn't damage the reputation of the original, nor rely on it.

i thought the waters of mars wasn't one of the best specials but it was a really good watch,
at the end i thought that the Doctor may have to be absorbed into Rassilon's tomb (if it still existed), cos he was on the verge of meglomania.
the next special looks ace but i'm a bit worried at Tennet's rapidly approaching departure, he is my favourite after Tom Baker

There are always jitters with a change of Doctors.

Just as long as we don't get another Colin Baker, we should be about nice.

P.S. Anyone else the Cloister Bell tolling at the end?

What is Rassilon's tomb?

Hold on....wiki to the rescue! (was featured heavily in 'The Five Doctors' which I think I will watch now).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassilon

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There are always jitters with a change of Doctors.

Just as long as we don't get another Colin Baker, we should be about nice.

I was considering this a few weeks back and I think my favourite, over all, was Sylvester McCoy.
He was cursed with a very poor budget and some shocking bad luck (the dying days of Who, the Langford creature as an assistant at one stage) but he was a very interesting and dark Doctor, bringing back the Troughton style of a slightly sinister and elder power. There was a sometimes dangerous air about him (the allusion to the Doctor as Merlin was brilliant) and I think it's a great shame he inherited it in time for the series to sail into the abyss.
They say that the Doctor you grew up with is always your favourite, but that would be Peter Davison for me and I never rated him at all (although I was in love with Tegan for some time), nor that terrible curly-haired goon that followed him on.

I'd love to see McCoy in a cameo role as a bad guy or something, he deserved far better than he got.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There are always jitters with a change of Doctors.

Just as long as we don't get another Colin Baker, we should be about nice.

He didn't quite pull it off, but I though Colin Baker's Doctor was a brave stab at making him a bit more arrogant. Anyway, I'm not really a massive fan of the new Doctor Who. The writing is not that great and they tend to get out of situations by just making stuff up. The best one was The Weeping Angels episode, an idea so cool it would have made an excellent film (with a decent writer anyway). Aside from that I don't really bother with it.

I've never seen the old series of Doctor Who, and I've always wondered whether the Time Lords were destroyed in the early series.

Since the begining of the show, has he always been the last of the Time Lords?

Yes

If he's always been the Last Time Lord, isn't it possible that here meet other Time Lords from before they were destroyed?

Except for The Master and some female Time Lord and the times he goes to Gallifrey, the Time Lords' planet and meets a load of other Time Lords.

The idea that all the Time Lords except Dr Who were killed in the Great Time War was introduced when the series was brought back in 2005.

In some of the earlier series (particularly when Jon Pertwee was the Doctor) the ruling Time Lords exiled him on Earth for having been very naughty.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There are always jitters with a change of Doctors.

Just as long as we don't get another Colin Baker, we should be about nice.

I was considering this a few weeks back and I think my favourite, over all, was Sylvester McCoy.
He was cursed with a very poor budget and some shocking bad luck (the dying days of Who, the Langford creature as an assistant at one stage) but he was a very interesting and dark Doctor, bringing back the Troughton style of a slightly sinister and elder power. There was a sometimes dangerous air about him (the allusion to the Doctor as Merlin was brilliant) and I think it's a great shame he inherited it in time for the series to sail into the abyss.
They say that the Doctor you grew up with is always your favourite, but that would be Peter Davison for me and I never rated him at all (although I was in love with Tegan for some time), nor that terrible curly-haired goon that followed him on.

I'd love to see McCoy in a cameo role as a bad guy or something, he deserved far better than he got.

I agree about McCoy. Next to Tom Baker, very much my favourite. He maintained the playful edge, but was clearly a man in posession of extremely dangerous knowledge, and also showed a lot more low cunning etc than his predecessors. His stories are also amongst the best. Ghostlight in particular was truly awesome, and I really like Curse of Fenric. Langford was very much his achilles heel. gak actress who made otherwise decent enough stories deeply deeply gak (Paradise Towers was a great story, but didn't translate that well, thanks to her being utterly unconvincing)

And Flashman. The 'Last of the Timelords' was an RTD special move, and only came in with the new series. I would really like to see this reversed, especially as

There is probably some made up rule about not being able to go back. You are asking the wrong person really. Mad Dok?

EDIT @ Mad Dok - I happily bow to your superior knowledge. I'm now going to start my own thread on Seaquest DSV

My fave was always Jon Pertwee. I'm not old enough to remember the first ever Doctor though I remember Patrick Troughton.

I liked Peter Davison.

I agree Sylvester McCoy was interesting and should have been given a fairer shake.

For some reason I never really liked Tom Baker at the time, perhaps because he replaced Jon Pertwee, though I've warmed to him since.

Flashman wrote:There is probably some made up rule about not being able to go back. You are asking the wrong person really. Mad Dok?

EDIT @ Mad Dok - I happily bow to your superior knowledge. I'm now going to start my own thread on Seaquest DSV

I do have like, 86 of the old stories on official VHS!

You can pick them up really cheap!

P.S. on the matter of hottest assistant (it's bound to come up sooner or later!) I've always found it's a three way toss up (oooooer!) between Peri, Ace and Nyssa. Peri has the best tits by a country mile, but also the most annoying fake US accent. Nyssa is a bit of posh totty, and Ace is just plain saucy.

Kilkrazy wrote:Except for The Master and some female Time Lord and the times he goes to Gallifrey, the Time Lords' planet and meets a load of other Time Lords.

The idea that all the Time Lords except Dr Who were killed in the Great Time War was introduced when the series was brought back in 2005.

In some of the earlier series (particularly when Jon Pertwee was the Doctor) the ruling Time Lords exiled him on Earth for having been very naughty.

Ok, Im curious now, what he do?


When did the Time War start?

And whilst I've enjoyed the return of Dr Who, Mr Davis still needs a kick in the nads for inflicting Torchwood on an unsuspecting world...

Kilkrazy wrote:My fave was always Jon Pertwee. .

I liked all the venusian karate..less keen on the car.

reds8n wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:My fave was always Jon Pertwee. .

I liked all the venusian karate..less keen on the car.

Like an elderly Jason King/Austin Powers in that stupid car. Mind you, the seadevils were mighty awesome, I do like the interesting juxtaposition presented by the fact that they DO have a prior claim to the planet and see us a squatters.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Except for The Master and some female Time Lord and the times he goes to Gallifrey, the Time Lords' planet and meets a load of other Time Lords.

The idea that all the Time Lords except Dr Who were killed in the Great Time War was introduced when the series was brought back in 2005.

In some of the earlier series (particularly when Jon Pertwee was the Doctor) the ruling Time Lords exiled him on Earth for having been very naughty.

Ok, Im curious now, what he do?


When did the Time War start?

Nobody really knows for sure.He's as much a renegade as The Master and the The Rani (and to kick it old school, the Meddling Monk) but exactly what finally lead to his exile is left to mystery. It is often suggested it's largely self imposed however. He was President of Gallifrey for a while!

The Time War is a bit of a grey area. Arguably, the opening shot would have been the destruction of Skaro (Daleks homeworld) in 'Rememberance Of The Daleks' when he tricks Davros into using The Hand of Omega, which sends Skaro's sun into Supernova. Interestingly, this does mean the Doctor is very much guilty of genocide. Though apparently, according to the books it wasn't Skaro's sun, just a planet made to look like Skaro (yep, that's the books for your!)

It's also worth noting that The Doctor's remaining number of Regenerations might be higher than we think. Certainly, it was never referred to as Regeneration until Pertwee's Doctor carked it, and became Tom Bakers incarnation. The Troughton (2nd Doctor) to Pertwee (3rd Doctor) change was inflicted by the Timelords as a punishment. Whether or not this was a full regeneration, or just an enforced change of appearance was never really clarified to my knowledge.

In the Pertwee era I was always fond of the whole U.N.I.T concept and the Brigadier. It made a nice change to have a regular supporting cast other than the companion(s). I used to have a load of the old Target Dr. Who novels, some of them - Claws of Axos" and so on -- were ace and did a lot to keep the franchise going during the bad years.

Lord-Loss wrote:What is Rassilon's tomb?

Rassilon was the founder of timelord society and knew that every so often one of them would think they were a god so he would trap them with him in his tome of ever

Lord-Loss wrote:
In some of the earlier series (particularly when Jon Pertwee was the Doctor) the ruling Time Lords exiled him on Earth for having been very naughty.

Ok, Im curious now, what he do?

before the time war the time lords had a strictly no messing with other species, only watching, the doctor was always an annoyance, he bend a few rules to far so had a forces regeneration and was grounded on earth as punishment, since then he has been used as the timelords agent in things they don't want to be involved in. there are quite a few episodes with other timelords in them, colin baker first played a minor timelord before being cast as the doctor (i hated him), i just found out my uni libraryhas a few of the old episodes on the new dvd editions so i will be reliving my childhood this weekend

The Dreadnote wrote:The show itself was pretty average I felt, but the stuff with the Doctor's psychology was great.

Blink was terrifying.

Aaah! I'm a retro-geek! And he's Blink ( <---- ) !! Gwaaargh, help me, Darth Vader!

reds8n wrote:In the Pertwee era I was always fond of the whole U.N.I.T concept and the Brigadier. It made a nice change to have a regular supporting cast other than the companion(s). I used to have a load of the old Target Dr. Who novels, some of them - Claws of Axos" and so on -- were ace and did a lot to keep the franchise going during the bad years.

Veery much agreed about U.N.I.T. It almost made Doctor Who in itself, as it provided a real world anchoring for an otherwise fantastical setting. After all, how many Earth set adventures could the Doctor have without some kind of organisation not showing an interest? Sadly, am yet to see U.N.I.T.s debut story (Cyberman one) but I have pretty much all the others.

Hmm. Might go stick a VHS up the spout. Decided to take the week off, so I suspect today to Friday will be spent a) Painting Skaven b) Watching Doctor Who c) Nattering on Dakka.

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/366655/doctor_who_the_end_of_time_children_in_need_preview_clip.html

The BBc are adding an complete early adventure of Dr. Who to Youtube here.