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Jon Garrett wrote:Well, I've always wanted to do Wolves anyway...something about Dreadnaughts leading an army amuses me.

Which reminds me...apart from Bjorn can they still take Venerable Dreads as a HQ choices?

Yes, I would like to know as well. I would love to see a 7 Dread Wolf Army

Don't think so. Believe Bjorn is the only HQ dread option.

Redemption wrote:... but so far it sounds like cheese.

Frankly Space Puppies have always been in my eyes, so this newest round is completely unsurprising

Thanks for the run down KG, and the pics Nada! Also, I kinda dig how GW is basing everything around making 1 awesome wolf infantry box, and taking advantage of the swappable nature of all marine plastics. At first I was shocked at reading 44 (!) heads, but when you're kitting out scouts, assault marines & blood hunters from the same box, you need all the 'stache & beard-rocking heads you can get!

- Salvage

Be prepared to pay above the norm for those 44 heads.

Jon Garrett wrote:The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

I hope not. I'm hoping its more like the Warboss makes one unit of Nobs troops, otherwise GW just killed what little shread of uniquness the DA had.

Make a Dark Angels counts as Space Wolves army and have a counts as giant wolf rider but riding a giant 'Twilight' EMO. Paint the Loki guy up as Robert Smith from The Cure.

smart_alex wrote:"Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still..... "


This is rediculously overpowered.

"+1 on the roll"? Attribute test are passed if you roll equal to or lower than the attribute in question ( pg.8 ). So adding one to the roll just makes the test more difficult. Unless the power has a caveat to the effect " a roll of naturall 1 is always a success", any MC`s with an Initiative of 1 are screwed.

EDIT: Actually no need. The basic rule already has that caveat. But still...anything with an Initiative 1 or 2 are in trouble.
EDIT 2: Should that actually be "-1"? Info on other sites is listing this ( more sane ) version.

Casper wrote:

Jon Garrett wrote:The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

I hope not. I'm hoping its more like the Warboss makes one unit of Nobs troops, otherwise GW just killed what little shread of uniquness the DA had.

Logan Grimnar allows you to field an entire Terminator army.

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

The price printed on the page with the pictures in the other thread was the same as a regular Tactical Squad box: 30, - Euro

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

puma713 wrote:

Logan Grimnar allows you to field an entire Terminator army.

*shakes with rage*

Hey look! Space Wolves are just like DA's now! YAY! And whats this? No preferred enemy for either army? Lets just all paint our armies the exact same color too!

I gotta say, I never really was interested in the space puppies, but some of these rules sound like they would be really cool for a heavily converted "Heroes of the Imperium!" type counts as army. I might end up picking this up just for a fun little "terminator your eyes out" force.

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

A-P wrote:

smart_alex wrote:"Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still..... "


This is rediculously overpowered.

"+1 on the roll"? Attribute test are passed if you roll equal to or lower than the attribute in question ( pg.8 ). So adding one to the roll just makes the test more difficult. Unless the power has a caveat to the effect " a roll of naturall 1 is always a success", any MC`s with an Initiative of 1 are screwed.

EDIT: Actually no need. The basic rule already has that caveat. But still...anything with an Initiative 1 or 2 are in trouble.

Correct. Looks like we found our Anti Nidzilla/Ork list

I can just see in a couple of weeks tournament armys led by Naji and Logan with a bunch of WGBL's on bikes.

I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

I solved that problem by using typical marine models (helmetless) without the standard backpacks as the scouts ... IMO, more of a "lone wolf" recluse marine as opposed to looking like some partially initiated kid barely out of basic training.

Farmer wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

Really? They are CHEAPER in points cost than regular Marines? What do they lose for this? ATSKNF?

Mattlov wrote:

Farmer wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

Really? They are CHEAPER in points cost than regular Marines? What do they lose for this? ATSKNF?

No, they have that too.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:This is starting to sound exactly like every other codex release - it goes like this:

1. Rumours give way to facts as people start seeing the books.
2. People cry 'cheese!!!'
3. Book comes out, people see the actual points values and opinions on what units are cheesy changes.
4. First interwebz list is declared game breaking.
5. 1-2 months pass and the first interwebz list is debunked.
6. The real analysis begins...

It happened with Orks, SM and IG. Teh puppies are no different - have patience young padawans...

Except that both SM and IG are 2 of the top armies right now. (very closely behind eldar and tau)

So I would say the people calling cheese were in fact correct.

I can easily see this codex as becoming one of the best in game as GW will want to top the current SM codex so that people will buy it.

puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

Yea, those heads are terribad.

but Space Wolf scouts are veterens, not initiates like normal marines.

this is why they are WS4 BS4 with Operate Behind Enemy Lines and better weapon options than vanilla scouts.

Goddammit! Those Space Wolfs looked so great that I now am eger to begin Space Puppies.
Damn you GW!

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Dark Angels.

Fixed that for you.

Just saw the codex, wolf drop pods carry less men than marine ones, stupid inter codex inconsistancy.

No wait, I know why now!

Obviously Space Wolves are just so awesome and buff they need more room than the wimpy unawesome Codex Marines.

Few Things:

-4 Wolf Lords?! Why?! that should only really fit in in apoc' where they'd have a datasheet anyway!
-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!
-And viking inspired or not, Trickster doesnt sound Space-wolf at all! I mean just look at the name!
-Are Ven Dreads still BS5?! Cus that'd really suck if they werent!

personally all this sounds really bad in terms of what I expect from the Space Wolves, but I'll definately have to check out the Codex rather than go on (accurate sounding) hearsay...

The Logan thing is definantly true.

Chickenlegs! wrote:-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!

Considering this picture states "Wolf Guard are Troops in any army led by Logan Grimnar, making it possible to build an army of Space Wolves in terminator Armour", I'd say he's pretty sure.

Chickenlegs! wrote:Few Things:

-4 Wolf Lords?! Why?! that should only really fit in in apoc' where they'd have a datasheet anyway!
-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!
-And viking inspired or not, Trickster doesnt sound Space-wolf at all! I mean just look at the name!
-Are Ven Dreads still BS5?! Cus that'd really suck if they werent!

personally all this sounds really bad in terms of what I expect from the Space Wolves, but I'll definately have to check out the Codex rather than go on (accurate sounding) hearsay...

Wow, 4 Wolf Lords and Wolf Guard Troops and you complain?

Wait, what am I saying, I am complaining too :(
I hope Phil Kelly didn't go too overboard :(

personally I was complaining because I care more for fluff and it staying true to the Space Wolves - which this new dex doesnt SOUND like its doin - so IMHO i dont see why they'd have 4 Lords in a small army?!