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What makes me happy is that 'Nids are most probably next, and they'll have to be really beefed up to be better than SW!!

Chickenlegs! wrote:personally I was complaining because I care more for fluff and it staying true to the Space Wolves - which this new dex doesnt SOUND like its doin - so IMHO i dont see why they'd have 4 Lords in a small army?!

Because the Great Wolf Says so! And no-one is FORCING you to take 4 Lords.

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Dark Angels.

Fixed that for you.

The wording on the "new" Fury of the Ancients sounds iffy... at least you'll be able to take a cover save most of the time?

Wehrkind wrote:I gotta say, I never really was interested in the space puppies, but some of these rules sound like they would be really cool for a heavily converted "Heroes of the Imperium!" type counts as army. I might end up picking this up just for a fun little "terminator your eyes out" force.

I'll see your HotI and counter with a SpikeWing - loads of bashtastic chaos terminators led by a big bad terminator lord. Given the customizability of wolf guard, and how much fun the chaos termies are, it would actually be a pretty solid counts as project ............

*gets on that*

- Salvage

more options are better than less options, if you dont want to run 4 wolf lords thats fine, dont, but what if I want to run a "Battle for the title of Great Wolf" where 4 Wolf Lords are competing for fame to become the next Great Wolf after Logan passes?

Rune Priests are they like Librarians and have to make a Psychic test so you could at least get a psychic hood or runes of warding to try and stop their nasty power?

Sirius42 wrote:Just saw the codex, wolf drop pods carry less men than marine ones, stupid inter codex inconsistancy.

The Space Wolves reserve space in the drop pods for all the pelts and such. And booze. Also, many of them need to me drugged like B.A. Barracus from the A-Team.

if you dont want to run 4 wolf lords thats fine, dont

aaaah touche. I wont

Like usual, since it's me, my analysis is a little unusual. Things I noticed on my first pass with the book:

Why are wolf lords 4 attacks base? They don't come with a 4+ i save, but you can just give them the belt of russ.
Rune priests don't have a psychic hood. They do have stats similiar to librarians. That's gonna be a drawback people will miss.
Preferred enemy on a unit type of choice (infantry, vehicles, bikes, etc.) is much better than litanies. Like chaplains needed to be toned up?
Your 4 hq's need to be different. Unless you take special characters, some won't have i saves.
Logan is 275 points. Space wolves version of deathwing kinda expensive on the points.
Wolf guard: A terminator with storm bolter and frost blade clocks in at 43 points.
Wolf guard are cheaper than sergeants. Considering they can be used as sergeants, i'm very surprised.
Many of the equipment costs are cheaper than before...20 points for a power fist?

Grey hunters: This is a bit of a headache. You get an extra special weapon at 10, but then you can't add the wolfguard and still fit in a droppod or rhino. Nevertheless, 9+wolfguard will be popular:
9 grey hunters, at 15 a model. One plasma gun at 10 points (upgrading flamer), plasma pistol (which is a separate entry), power weapon or fist (at the reduced cost), the wolf guard's equipment, mark of the wulfen (1 model gets 1+d6 attacks and rending, doesn't stack with special weapons like power weapons, and space wolves banner (10 points, may reroll 1's in 1 turn of assault once a game). Add all that junk together and it's about the same cost as a tactical.
Tactical marine's advantage: heavy weapon access, combat tactics, teleport homers
Considering super true grit and counter attack, grey hunters are more comparable to chaos marines...except instead of 3 fists it's mark of the wulfen, fist, and wolfguard's fist.

Blood claws are the same point cost as grey hunters. THey still get +2 attacks on the charge.

THe new wolf unit in fast attack is like the space wolves version of death company with cavalry instead of jumppacks. Maybe my second impression will be different.

Oh attack bikes, you will be missed. BS 3 on bikes kinda sucks. They're blood claws though, so +2 attacks on the charge.

People are still not going to take long fangs. They haven't really changed, but can take 5 heavy weapons and a leader now.

People already mentioned missing land speeder storm (anyone even take that?), and ironclad.

Space wolves dreadnought can take some space wolves equipment. Fortunately they can't take the belt of russ or they would have the best walkers in the game...
I thought there would be some weird thing or drawbacks on the sagas. There are some recommended drawbacks called oaths, but they don't actually do anything. I sense eternal warrior being very popular. I like the 6" reroll morale or pinning. Not reroll failed, reroll morale or pinning.

Edit: Every internet rumor before last weekend was dead wrong. All of it. Looks like leak control was a success. You will now have to return to your local gaming store to receive correct rumors and be super excited when a preview copy shows up at a GW store. <sigh> I kinda liked getting things before that.

You do realize that Logan Grimnar himself is around 300 points. And Properly equipped Wolf Guard Terminators can run you around 300 points for 5 or 6.

All Terminator Space Wolf Armies will be fun, but when Deathwing is outnumbering you, you're boned.

You also realize that a Wolf Lord will run you at least 160+ points. It would be quite improbable that people will be running the 4 Wolf Lords armies either. Would you rather have a third Wolf Lord or a Predator.

If anything, Space Wolves are tracking like they always do, very expensive elite and HQ choices. It's the reason troops are cheap, it balances the army.

Besides, Grey Hunters are cheap is a misnomer. 150 points for ten guys and two flamers with ATSKNF, Acute Senses, and Counter Attack versus 180 points for Ten Marines and a sergeant, flamer, and free heavy with ATCKNF, Combat Tactics, and Combat Squads seems reasonable.

Does the new storm power grant Obscured to vehicles?

You can't take 4 wolf lords.

Grey hunters are cheap. I might remind you they have bolter bolt pistol close combat and that both their sergeants and their close combat weapons are cheaper than codex space marines.

Yes, the new storm power works on vehicles, but considering it's a 5+ cover, it's not all that great compared to real cover.

vehicles dont get "cover" they get obscured, it would have to specifically mention that vehicles get an obscure save for it to work, and then its a 4+ save.

Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Blood Claw bikers [Fast Attack],
Logan Grimnar to take Wolf Guard bikers [Troops],
Lone Wolf bikers [Elites]? maybe? please?

looks like they might be able too, it depends on if Wolf Guard can be mounted on bikes as a general option.

Thx for the replies guys.

Someone on Warseer is saying that Lukas' ability affects everyone within 6" rather than base to base.

And is the ability a roll off for each separate model affected or is it a 4+?

To anyone who has seen the book; Do they have the vehicle information (cost and stats) in the book, or will I need to buy the SM Codex as well?

Mastiff wrote:To anyone who has seen the book; Do they have the vehicle information (cost and stats) in the book, or will I need to buy the SM Codex as well?

It's a stand alone book, like Dark Angels and Black Templar. No Codex: Space Marines required.

Demogerg wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Blood Claw bikers [Fast Attack],
Logan Grimnar to take Wolf Guard bikers [Troops],
Lone Wolf bikers [Elites]? maybe? please?

looks like they might be able too, it depends on if Wolf Guard can be mounted on bikes as a general option.

Final F-U to DA's: Terminator Bikers that count as troops.

Lone wolves can't take bikes.
Since wolf guard can take bikes, yes Logan can make deathwing, ravenwing, or any combination of scoring bikes and terminators. No access to scoring attack bikes though.

davidson wrote:
The wording on the "new" Fury of the Ancients sounds iffy... at least you'll be able to take a cover save most of the time?

The first time I read that I saw 'furry', not 'fury'.

combatmedic wrote:

Demogerg wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Blood Claw bikers [Fast Attack],
Logan Grimnar to take Wolf Guard bikers [Troops],
Lone Wolf bikers [Elites]? maybe? please?

looks like they might be able too, it depends on if Wolf Guard can be mounted on bikes as a general option.

Final F-U to DA's: Terminator Bikers that count as troops.

Models wearing TDA can never ride bikes.


however, I do like being able to compete on the deathwing/ravenwing front using Logan, its just plain lol

Demogerg wrote:
Models wearing TDA can never ride bikes.


however, I do like being able to compete on the deathwing/ravenwing front using Logan, its just plain lol

If there is a way to screw over the DA and BA player, GW will find a way, fluff or current rules be damned.

Bitter, safari of one, your adventure is about to begin. Please approach the elephant.

So now SW are the most powerful psykers in the universe? That'll be great for my SW army, but it makes my eldar look kind of slowed, since they're supposed to be the best psykers.

DruidODurham wrote:So now SW are the most powerful psykers in the universe? That'll be great for my SW army, but it makes my eldar look kind of slowed, since they're supposed to be the best psykers.

Actually, Daemons are the best. So good they never have Perils of the Warp.

Platuan4th wrote:

Mastiff wrote:To anyone who has seen the book; Do they have the vehicle information (cost and stats) in the book, or will I need to buy the SM Codex as well?

It's a stand alone book, like Dark Angels and Black Templar. No Codex: Space Marines required.

Faaaaantastic. Thanks!

Daemons are the Perils in the Warp. I like how yet another codex has been given a 'screw daemons' toy...

So this thread is confirmed stuff out of the book then? I read the other thread stating that we did not get Redeemers, but this one says we do. I really am hoping we get to keep it since I had mine pro-painted and will hate to have to butcher the sponsons to make it WYSIWYG, or call the Flamestorms counts-as Lascannons.

EDIT:

Kinda glad the assault variant LR was debunked. I would have HAD to get one, but could only imagine the hate it would bring me when I fielded it.

Boss_Salvage wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:I gotta say, I never really was interested in the space puppies, but some of these rules sound like they would be really cool for a heavily converted "Heroes of the Imperium!" type counts as army. I might end up picking this up just for a fun little "terminator your eyes out" force.

I'll see your HotI and counter with a SpikeWing - loads of bashtastic chaos terminators led by a big bad terminator lord. Given the customizability of wolf guard, and how much fun the chaos termies are, it would actually be a pretty solid counts as project ............

*gets on that*

- Salvage

Damn... that's a good point. Maybe my Mega Word Bearers will need to do double duty... Oh, the pain of loving terminator models above all else!