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Fateweaver wrote:Yeah, the Trygon price is fething nice. Isn't the FW one like 70 GBP or something?

76.85 GBP, to be exact.

And oddly enough, it's not letting me add a FW one to shopping cart. Very intriguing, must be getting ready to stop the molds like they did with Piranhas.

I like the fact the Hive guard lacks eyes - but the impaler cannon doesn't

Better yet is 20% off that from Neal. $39.60 before shipping. $5.95 shipping Priority mail. $45.55 from the Warstore and delivery in 2-3 days (takes 4 for me but I usually order after 5 so probably explains it as orders won't go out till the next day).

I'm unbelievably angry they have made the broodlord and warriors troops and I'm after buying one of each as HQ choices...

Trygon looks awesome (although very 'safe' in that it's so similar to the FW Resin one), and Mawloc looks cool too. My concern is that changing the Trygon from Apoc-only to a Codex unit will have a big impact on the statline. If it does, 'Nid forces in Apoc might suffer because of this.

Raveners are really nice, but I REALLY don't like Hive Guard/Venomthrope/Pyrovore models.

@Fateweaver: Yes, FW Trygon is around £76.

What's with the 4 different Ravenor bodies? ... and the "burrowing" marker bit? can they Reverse-Deep Strike?

Tyranid Horde wrote:I'm unbelievably angry they have made the broodlord and warriors troops and I'm after buying one of each as HQ choices...

Broodlords are upgrades to Genestealer units(who are troops).

So don't you worry, you can get more

Those nids, esspecially the Trygon have made me want to collect the xenos criiters again.

According to IA 4 the Trygon never really was Apocalypse only.

Wow, finally plastic Gargoyles. 'Bout time. As well as separated Hormagant/Termagant boxes.

Pyrovore is basically what I wished the biovore had looked like for years.

Venomthrope is likely to be pretty prone to tipping over.

If i still played Nids, I'd be pretty excited overall.

I notice that there are no biomorphs in the Hormagaunt package anymore. Guess that means no (even slight) variations in strength, etc. anymore, unless they've done something very stupid with bits.

There's still adrenals and toxin sacs with the termagants, though.

skipmcne wrote:What's with the 4 different Ravenor bodies? ... and the "burrowing" marker bit? can they Reverse-Deep Strike?

Thorax weapons and maybe extended carapace too. I'm betting the base is just a decorative base.

I'm in the minority, but I'm so-so on the Pyrovore. It just looks odd to me. It probably works out, since if it's just a flamer template platform as rumored, I doubt I'll be fielding them.

The Mawloc is very creepy. Since I already have a FW Trygon, GW will probably be sneaky and make the Mawloc the superior choice.

Me likey. Trygon, Raveners, Biovore, and Gargoyles lookin' good in plastic. Looking forward to checking out the accompanying rules.

I am going to have to collect a 'secret army' that will be well-hidden from wifey.

Time to try out that GW spraygun.

- Blackbone

I am wondering if there is another HQ choice that we have't heard about yet since there wont be a model released for it in the first wave. Pure speculation on my part, but every release so far has had a few "new" units in the book that don't have a model, so why stop the trend with the nids? Just seems odd that the only HQ choice would be a tyrant.

I don't play nids but I recognise those models are COOOOOL!

admittedly I'm not too keen on the hive guard (or their fluff) or the venomthrope...

either way they are some really nice looking new models, congrats Tyranid Players!


However, the Ravener's are a bit pricey! three PLASTIC models for over £25!

Neith wrote:Trygon looks awesome (although very 'safe' in that it's so similar to the FW Resin one), and Mawloc looks cool too. My concern is that changing the Trygon from Apoc-only to a Codex unit will have a big impact on the statline. If it does, 'Nid forces in Apoc might suffer because of this.

Raveners are really nice, but I REALLY don't like Hive Guard/Venomthrope/Pyrovore models.

@Fateweaver: Yes, FW Trygon is around £76.

Did you know that the Valk can be used as a flier or a skimmer in Apoc games but only as a skimmer in 40k games? There are two sets of rules for it, Codex and Apoc, and you can use whatever rules you want to for Apoc as long as they are the current Apoc rules. If this could somehow work for the Trygon then Tyranid players would be set. To bad you said it couldn't. /friendly joke

Raveners look almost exactly like their metal ones but the metal ones looked good and the plastic ones made them look better. Hive Guard is the Tyrant Guard with a gun. I like him because I like the old ones. Venomthrope looks SOOOOOO much better with a good picture and if you say the Pyrovore is ugly then you're the kind of person who like the "Queen" Tyrant from the last edition. And I have had several rants on how ugly that model is compared to the current one and even the one before it.

Gargoyals look fan-fething-tastic.

@ GeeDub - These are some fething sweet bugs man

My chaos lord can't wait to get him some hive guard buddies with impaler cannons ...

But: Mawloc WTF??

- Salvage

Wow I'm really impressed with these kits. Congrats to all Nids players!

E: yay 100!

Kwosge wrote:
Did you know that the Valk can be used as a flier or a skimmer in Apoc games but only as a skimmer in 40k games? There are two sets of rules for it, Codex and Apoc, and you can use whatever rules you want to for Apoc as long as they are the current Apoc rules. If this could someone work for the Trygon then Tyranid players would be set. To bad you said it couldn't. /friendly joke

Never collected IG, so I had no idea about the Valk. I was half expecting FW to rename their Trygon to something like 'Greater Trygon', to justify the statline, but seeing as there's multiple rule sets for the Valk, the same could apply here. Thanks for the insight (beginning to think I'm the only person ever to not collect IG at some point).

One thing that does interest me is Warriors being moved to Troops. If I had to guess, I'd say it was done to accommodate the new units (have you seen how many Elites choices 'Nid players have now?), but it's certainly a change I wasn't expecting to see.

Neith wrote:

Kwosge wrote:
Did you know that the Valk can be used as a flier or a skimmer in Apoc games but only as a skimmer in 40k games? There are two sets of rules for it, Codex and Apoc, and you can use whatever rules you want to for Apoc as long as they are the current Apoc rules. If this could someone work for the Trygon then Tyranid players would be set. To bad you said it couldn't. /friendly joke

Never collected IG, so I had no idea about the Valk. I was half expecting FW to rename their Trygon to something like 'Greater Trygon', to justify the statline, but seeing as there's multiple rule sets for the Valk, the same could apply here. Thanks for the insight (beginning to think I'm the only person ever to not collect IG at some point).

One thing that does interest me is Warriors being moved to Troops. If I had to guess, I'd say it was done to accommodate the new units (have you seen how many Elites choices 'Nid players have now?), but it's certainly a change I wasn't expecting to see.

I never collected them either but I just know about their rules. The Mawloc is screwed though. It has to use 40k rules.

I'm not a fan of the solo-HQ choice either but people have been saying that there can be Alpha variants on some models so expect a secondary FOC for <1000 or 1500 point games.

Wow. That Pyrovore is amazing. I want a dozen, even if just for an Apocalypse gun line.

Love the Raveners, and $45 is a perfectly fine price for them. That is still cheaper by 25% than current. Means I can also get the metals on sale at the FLGS once the plastic kit comes out.

Trygon is awesome, Mawloc looks pretty silly. I bet one or the other lets you take Raveners as Troop choices.

Hive Guard are VERY neat, and confirms we get at LEAST one new gun. Maybe it can penetrate vehicles...

I can't believe these new models actually happened. Supposedly Carnis are getting buffed again.

gorgon wrote:
I'm betting the base is just a decorative base.

I thought so at first as well; but look closely at the base, you see the the END of the tail, not the bit that would join with a lower-torso.. Additionally if it was decorative, why not show it off with the 3-up unit picture?

Regular, and EC, I'll buy but there's one with an "eye" in the chest, and one with weird gribbly bits on the sides (spine banks?)

gorgon wrote:
The Mawloc is very creepy. Since I already have a FW Trygon, GW will probably be sneaky and make the Mawloc the superior choice.

No doubt.

Mattlov wrote:Wow. That Pyrovore is amazing. I want a dozen, even if just for an Apocalypse gun line.
Hive Guard are VERY neat, and confirms we get at LEAST one new gun. Maybe it can penetrate vehicles...

Two, the Pyrovore counts as a new gun. Go Go AP3 S5 flame template. That's the state line. I just made it up but that's what it's going to be. Why? Because only Tyranids would get an anti-hord weapon with a stat line to take down a non-hord army.

Sidstyler wrote:I still don't understand why the new raveners are almost $45 for 3 [DELETED EXPLETIVE] models. 3 plastic models. Maybe they should just start making the things out of gold, it might be cheaper by the look of things.

It is $45 dollars for the same reason Terminators are pricey, its two sprues in a singel box that GW expects a lower sales volume on.

Asuming a ravener is similar in volume to a lictor, it would cost more than $4800 if cast in solid 24karat gold. (Lictor 2-3oz of pewter or 7-11.5 cubic centimeters, which equals 150g of gold, price of gold about $30+/g).

Kwosge wrote:

Mattlov wrote:Wow. That Pyrovore is amazing. I want a dozen, even if just for an Apocalypse gun line.
Hive Guard are VERY neat, and confirms we get at LEAST one new gun. Maybe it can penetrate vehicles...

Two, the Pyrovore counts as a new gun. Go Go AP3 S5 flame template. That's the state line. I just made it up but that's what it's going to be. Why? Because only Tyranids would get an anti-hord weapon with a stat line to take down a non-hord army.

The Trygon/Mawloc base is decorative. It's on an oval base like the Valk and not a round base like everything else in 40k. It says that on the GW website. Have fun making Prone Trygons that get cover saves from 5 point Gaunts.

I can tell you right now I am getting two Trygon's just to model up against my DW kill teams.

This happens right after I decide to focus on Deathwing and actually finish (that means paint) an army.

Oh, well. Nids were always my guilty pleasure anyway.

Gotta spend the gift card my wife gave me for my second birthday on something right

Broodlord is Troops? Seems odd.

Fantastic minis though. Not looking forward to facing these bad ass bugs anytime soon...

I knew I started Tau too soon. Great stuff and I'm glad GW released the info somewhat early.