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Alpharius wrote:I guess the point being made elsewhere is you'd think that he'd have a bit more to do with scouts than that.

Still, more Raven Guard stuff is better than no Raven Guard stuff!

True. I'm not saying it's perfect, just that he did have something to do with scouts, rules wise. I can't really think of any other modification to him other than giving one scout unit a stats boost to make them feel as if they are ready to graduate up to power armour.

Two odd questions:

1. Do Elysian sergeants still have access to lasguns with aux. grenade launchers?

2. Do the Elysians yet again suffer and lose? (You might want to put this one in spoiler tags)

1) yes they do. Even the Commissars can get the lasguns with aux. grenade launcher. It's a bit irritating that Elysian sergeants can get lasguns, but regular Guard ones can't.

2)

Ooh, I'm glad that's still in. To many it is a worthless piece of kit, but to me it's something neat and interesting.

Thanks.

BrookM wrote:Ooh, I'm glad that's still in. To many it is a worthless piece of kit, but to me it's something neat and interesting.
Thanks.

No worries
I think I may have to pick up a few Valks and try running my current guard force using the Elysian lists; mostly so I can add sentinels into each platoon and have them count as troops

I just ordered my own copy, but I'm sadly sticking with Veteran squads, seeing as I want to keep the list as close as possible to the IA4 list, which means a lot of jockeying around the fast attack slots with four drop Sentinels, three Venators and maybe a Vendetta. Are sentry guns still in as the only other heavy support choice besides the Vulture?

Beware the stats typo in the Vet squads though (see my earlier post)

Heavy slots available are : Vultures, sentry guns, Sky Talon (doesn't use FOC slot), Thunderbolt and Lightning

Drop sentinels are now Elites, or part of a platoon rather than fast attack. FA is now Vendetta, Tauros, Venator and Cyclops

Beautiful..

I can field all units without a problem. I'll probably have to turn my para rescue squad and sniper teams into full strength veteran squads though.

Wait wait wait.

I can field MORE SENTINELS with Elysians?

...

Who wants to buy 3500 points of Cadian Infantry fully painted, including 60 Kasrkin? Daddy's gonna need some money for Drop Sentinels...

Ah. I see. The Copy/Paste issue raises it's head again. The Vet squad stats are a copy/paste job of the Infantry squad, with the Commissar renamed to be Hvy Weapons team. Who wants a weapons team with LD9 and WS4?

endtransmission wrote:He also has the rule that the force MUST include at least one unit of scouts; which ties him into the Master of Scouts role more tightly. He also grants Hit and Run to the unit he leads.

Oh.

Even better.

endtransmission wrote:Ah. I see. The Copy/Paste issue raises it's head again. The Vet squad stats are a copy/paste job of the Infantry squad, with the Commissar renamed to be Hvy Weapons team. Who wants a weapons team with LD9 and WS4?

Someone stab Warwick for me.

Was there rules for Dredd-mobs or something along those lines for orks?

It's odd, I'm seeing in the News & Rumor Forum preview that GrimTeef asked about Dread Mobs but here there's no post...

Anyways--yes, the Dread Mobs are confirmed to be in. They were confirmed to be in via the Forge World Newsletter I posted last week.

Right, I got my copy yesterday, and its really nice. All glossy pages (220 of them), all with printed backgrounds, pictures etc etc. Here is a breakdown of its contents. Its Ork Heavy

1. The Raid on Kastorel Novem Background (73 pages)
2. Forces of the Imperium ( 40 pages)
2a. Tauros Rapid Assault vehicle rules
2b. Valkaryie Sky Talon Rules
2c. Elisian Drop Troop Army List (basically a complete Codex with new units, wargear, rules).
2d. Raven Guard Background
2e. Shadow Captain Korvkydae (RG Special Character. There are no other RG rules or units in this book).
3. Orks (80 pages)
3a. Background to Evil Sunz, Goffs, Death Skullz
3b. ES Special Biker Warboss Rules – Zhadsnark ‘da Rippa’
3c. Big Mek BuzzGob Rules
3d. Ork Dread Mob Army List (Complete Codex includes new vehicles including Grot Tanks, Grtchin Scavengers, Cyborks)
3e. New Gun Rules
3f. Ork Stompa Wargear Rules
3g. Warbikes
3h. Buggies & Wartracks
3i. Trukks / Gun Trukks
3j. Big Trakks (and the assortment of various weapon fits)
3k. Battle Wagon / Gun Wagon (including Liffta Droppa Rules)
3l. Dreads & Kanz (including Mega / Mekka Dreads and new weapon fits)
3m. Battle Fortress’s
3n. Kill Tanks (Krusha / Blasta / Bursta – S8 Heavy 6D6 anyone??)
3o. Ork Aircraft (including 2 new Aircraft – Bommer & Blasta – could have new models here???)
3p. Koptas – The new Transport Kopta, Warkoppta (New) and DeffKopta
3q. Looted Wagons & Junkas
3r. Stompaz – Including………….BuzzGob Mek’s Workshop Kustom Stompa Rules, essentially this is build your own stompa. Loads of new weapon fits and rules.
3s. Squiggoths
4. Raid on Kastorel Novem Campaign (11 pages)
8 scenarios and new missions to play in a campaign
5. Apocalypse Rules Appendix (9 pages)
A round up of some of the rules for the big stuff.

Highlights of the book in my humble opinion……..

BuzzGob’s rules, aided by his two Grots, Nitnuckle and Lunk
Evil Sunz Biker Boss
Grot Tank Battle Mob
Kustom Stompa Builder Rules

I can see IA9 being full of RG stuff and the 3 remaining Ork tribes.

Definately picking this one up.

Can you combine Shrike and Korvydae in the same army? So you can have assault squads that fleet and count as troops?

GG

generalgrog wrote:

Can you combine Shrike and Korvydae in the same army? So you can have assault squads that fleet and count as troops?

GG

Don't know, as I said, the only rules for RG are for Korvydae. No other rules for RG whatsoever, but lots of background for them.

Alpharius wrote:

endtransmission wrote:

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bhsman wrote:
Korvydae:
-Fights with a big ole' Thunder Hammer
-Changes your army by making Assault Squad troops

He also has the rule that the force MUST include at least one unit of scouts; which ties him into the Master of Scouts role more tightly. He also grants Hit and Run to the unit he leads

I guess the point being made elsewhere is you'd think that he'd have a bit more to do with scouts than that.

Still, more Raven Guard stuff is better than no Raven Guard stuff!

Well, you and the others kept being negative nancies about the Shadow Captain being a Scout Marine--so look what you did! Your negativity means we get another dumb Marine Captain!

TheSecretSquig wrote:Don't know, as I said, the only rules for RG are for Korvydae. No other rules for RG whatsoever, but lots of background for them.

Weaksauce on no other RG rules, I say. Weaksauce!

Why would there be other rules for Raven Guard?

They're a Codex Chapter, just with a lot of independence afforded to their commanders. That's not exactly something you can represent with rules y'know

generalgrog wrote:
Can you combine Shrike and Korvydae in the same army? So you can have assault squads that fleet and count as troops?
GG

There's nothing in his entry to say you can't use them together. It just says Korvydae is an IC and an HQ choice

How often does Forge World put out FAQs for IA? Because if its reasonable I am getting that book. BS4 Heavy weapon teams for the win.

The sheer size of this installment makes me want to pre order it even though I'm out in afghanistan and wouldn't be able to use it for 6 months.

Damn you FW. I am now tempted by Elysians. .

endtransmission wrote:
Actually, there are some other guard and ork characters in the scenarios section at the back of the book, with costs so you could use them outside the scenarios.

Orks :
Grahkrag ( May take 1 Nob/Meganob unit as Troops; removes the limit on Ardboyz mobs)
Skalk (may ride squiggoth; makes 1 unit of Loota mob a troop choice; eternal warrior)

Elysians :
Captain Thanstadt (2 orders, unit he leads are Fearless, units within 12" are Stubborn)
Captain Gerek (Command Tauros; reroll failed reserve rolls; grants free/additional Recon strategic asset in apoc games)
Captain Xhyst (with accompanying CCS; 2 orders and the CCS is Fearless)

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Doh. Just read through the Elysian lists in the book and found the first of (probably) many typos. Elysian Vets and Vet Sergeant are WS3/BS3, rather than the WS3/BS4 of normal Guard Vets. In addition, the Vet Heavy weapons troops have WS4/BS4?! The Attack and LD values are wrong too. Why would the Hvy weapons team have a higher LD than the sergeant or normal vets?

thanks for the info. it sounds like thanstadt is a straken-lite character, and knowing forgeworld, is probably about the same points, lol. as for the errors, does anyone at forgeworld *actually* play 40k? seriously, all it takes is ONE game (or even making up ONE real list) and you'd catch a bunch of these mistakes.

The issue isn't that they don't play. It's that they don't proof read.

Based on his FOC alteration, it would have made sense for the RG Captain's fluff to be 8th company.

-Can Cyclops' buy a Valk as a dedicated transport?
-Can the new FA vehicles Scout or Deep Strike or do we need a Sky talon for DS action?
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endtransmission wrote: It's a bit irritating that Elysian sergeants can get lasguns, but regular Guard ones can't.

For some of us, sergeants can be armed either way, depending on how the particular model serving as Sergeant was cast...

Wasn't there a new Marine Flyer in here too, or was that nixed by the Storm Raven in the new BA codex?

Gamble wrote:The issue isn't that they don't play. It's that they don't proof read.
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playing is proofreading (and a bit more fun). most people don't have gwarsense for incongruous rules. actually using them in a game helps find the ones that sometimes don't leap out at you. either way, they don't do it.

Alpharius wrote:Wasn't there a new Marine Flyer in here too, or was that nixed by the Storm Raven in the new BA codex?

Supposedly it's coming in IA9.