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I have to say that all of these are... vaguely unsatisfactory approaches. Especially the brass ring/horn thing. I think this is a problem that truly does call out for an OEM solution involving a base with a wheel in it (where the wheel protrudes from the base with a visible number on it) or similar. A little skull slider built into the base and that moved like a stick shift would also be good.

A good aftermarket mod might be a device like that which existing bases simply sit on, with the aforementioned slider/shifter on the side of the base. The internal components could be exposed as the mini base would cover them. They'd need to be dirt cheap, though. Less then $1 each base at most, I think.

Alternately, a good approach would be I think a simple round base, the same size as existing bases, that has pointer on the side, and has a small peg in the center (image it shaped like this (__|__) . The peg has a swivel in it. You glue the peg to the underside of the mini base, and then the whole add-on can move around, with the arrow pointer indicating wounds (which you'd draw or paint onto the OEM base in whatever fashion you chose.

Even easier would be to drill holes into the edges of the base and push pegs in as the wounds rack up. Like a cribbage board or battleships. Cheap as well

I use the ring-pulls from soda cans....

I was thinking of using Grotz for my Warboss - two or three wound runts rather than an ammo runts. Could do it for Nobz too - just need to match them to their "master" (so that you can safely move them to the side but still know who goes with who...)

notprop wrote:Even easier would be to drill holes into the edges of the base and push pegs in as the wounds rack up. Like a cribbage board or battleships. Cheap as well

This is an awesome idea. It is in fact so awesome that I think a P&M log about it is needed.

Everyone who paints and bases their mini usually also paints the ring around the base. Well instead of this being useless real-estate why not have a quick and easy way to track wounds, or squad groupings. This gets better and better. Imagine that if you have a devastator marine with a multi melta. Instead of painting his shoulder a certain way or the ring on his base a certain way you just drill a whole in his base and when he is in a dev squad he gets on peg of a certain color and when he is in a tac squad he gets a peg of a different color.

This work for IG as well. Want those flamers out of your line squads and into a PCS? Don’t repaint them just change pegs!

Have a hoard of Monstrous Daemon princes and greater daemons on the board and can’t keep track of wounds? Simple, paint numbers on through four next to the holes you drilled in their base. Now the peg clearly marks the wounds left for you and your opponent to see, and without ever getting mistaken for dice!

notprop wrote:Even easier would be to drill holes into the edges of the base and push pegs in as the wounds rack up. Like a cribbage board or battleships. Cheap as well

"You have sunk my Battle nob!"

Ouze wrote:I have to say that all of these are... vaguely unsatisfactory approaches. Especially the brass ring/horn thing. I think this is a problem that truly does call out for an OEM solution involving a base with a wheel in it (where the wheel protrudes from the base with a visible number on it) or similar.

so, something like the original Adeptus Titanicus titan bases.

60mm, two parts (upper like current 60mm raised bases, lower, like current flat 60mms.) that fit together over a central pin/socket the top had a cutout 'window' in it.
The card in the blister had a disc marked out with various numbers and a red dot. This was for keeping track of void shields. Part of the card disc protruded beyond the edge of the base at the window, so you could use your thumb or finger to rotate it.
It's easy enough to make something like this today with a plastic disc pre-etched to fit. Just needs GWs marketing primates to cotton onto it.

Magnetize your Nobs' bodies.

Then remove body parts.

The only problem I see with trying to use a "clix" wound counter system in 40k is it would be too slow. If the models were not touching each other in a mass combat it might work. But imagine a common scenerio where you have 20 or more models crowded together in an assault. Now imagine "digging" through and pulling out 4 or 5 models that have taken a wound, turning the base, then having to put them back. It's bad enough having to remove models when they are killed without dragging other models with them. Remember these models aren't just strait cylinders, they have arms with guns and swords that tend to lock up with each other.

This is why I think you need something that can be placed on TOP of the model, to avoid the issue of having to pick the models up and replace them.

So far I like the rings on spikes, just plain rings, and earring hook blood droplet ideas the best.

GG

malfred wrote:Magnetize your Nobs' bodies.

Then remove body parts.

At that point we wind up with a Monty-Python situation. No matter how many parts you chop off, The Black Nob will not allow you to pass.

generalgrog wrote:But imagine a common scenerio where you have 20 or more models crowded together in an assault. Now imagine "digging" through and pulling out 4 or 5 models that have taken a wound, turning the base, then having to put them back.

How often do you have more than a couple multi-wound models involved in a combat, in a situation where they would be taking individual wounds rather than just removing whole models? Units of individually-equipped Ork Nobs come to mind, but for most armies it's just not an issue.

I have two tubes of Green stuff from GF9, i used enough to have both colors fit in one tube. With the other clear tube i carefully sawed it up and started to use it as magic tokens in warmachine, to hang off my models. It could work for you. The tube gave me about 10 1/4 inch rings and probablly some extra to boot.

insaniak wrote:How often do you have more than a couple multi-wound models involved in a combat, in a situation where they would be taking individual wounds rather than just removing whole models? Units of individually-equipped Ork Nobs come to mind, but for most armies it's just not an issue.

Seeing as I play individually equipped Nobs, and I'm the OP it's pretty much THE issue and reason for this thread. :-)

GG

chromedog wrote:That's what I use on my IG heavy weapon team bases. I have a small stake which I place a skull on when it takes a wound. When it takes a second one, the base is removed.

You actually do the multi-base IG HWTs? I thought you were an old-timer who predated big-base IG.

And besides, why don't you magnetize the 2nd Guardsman on a 25mm base, then pop him off when he dies?

A friend of mine had his own Mephiston in the last BA codex. For wounds, he had 3 magnets in the base, and 3 WHFB skeleton skulls with magnets in them. He'd remove a skull for each wound taken. It was a really cool way of tracking wounds.

I don't know if you know this, but the AoBR set has some tiny pieces that wound work rather well for wound markers...

I believe they are intended to be decorative on the bases (and hence why the bases have extra holes), but the tiny skulls and shell casings could be excellent wound markers.

Paint them up and keep them in a small tin.
Use skulls for wounds or bullets for wounds or something, but keep it uniform.

Drill sufficient holes in the base of the model, in such a way that wounds will be group up visibly, but look almost as part of the model's base.

Insert little skull or pile of casings as the model takes wounds.


Now I just need to get my hands on about 50 of those little skulls!

lanman wrote:I had a toothpic "Pike" on the base of my ogres and a skull bead I would place on the spike for every wound. You could do a back banner pole and either place or remove beads as they take wounds for smaller troops like nobs

http://www.party902.com/skull-beads-p-648.html

Thats not where I got them, but those are the beads I used. I found mine on a cheap necklace at a dollor store around halloween

I use them myself. I just put them on the base of the model with multiple wounds, little skulls at their feet. I may do something like a spine and pile the skulls on it for my Trygon WIP.

Some companies (Galeforce 9 or LitkoAero) do wound markers. You can get a pack of 20 purple hearts for a few $, which I've seen some people use on WWII minis.

Maybe I'm starting to show my age, but red glass beads work perfectly well: easy to see, dirt cheap , and sit right on model's bases regardless of base size...

I use the skull beads myself. They fit right on horns and spikes for various models. One thing I keep meaning to do but never get around to is putting a small paper clip pin on the bases of my multi-wound models to hold the skull beads.

For Nobs though horns on helmets, bosspoles and other such projections should be sufficient to hang whatever you decide on for wound markers.

Keep red paint and a brush nearby, when you take a wound, pick up the model and draw a I on the side of the base (carefully not to paint the stuff ontop of the base) Once a model is dead, remove it, paint it over with black paint again (or whatever colour you use on your base-sides).

That could work, right?

If your opponent will wait for you to pick them up, wait for the paint to dry and all that...

I use magnets on the base of my nobs & big mek. And then just stick small ones on once they take wounds. Might not be the handiest in multi-model situations.

Have you tried the old score-card method?

A laminated card with;
Nob X - [ ] [ ]
Nob Y - [X] [ ] 
Nob Z - [ ] [ ]
etc.

Use a whiteboard marker and it's reusable and all. No fiddling with small magnets, no weird things hanging off the models. The downside is that it's not as visual as the other methods.

Riffzor wrote:Keep red paint and a brush nearby, when you take a wound, pick up the model and draw a I on the side of the base ...

A whiteboard marker or a piece of chalk would be quicker and easier.

Riffzor wrote:Keep red paint and a brush nearby, when you take a wound, pick up the model and draw a I on the side of the base (carefully not to paint the stuff ontop of the base) Once a model is dead, remove it, paint it over with black paint again (or whatever colour you use on your base-sides).

That could work, right?

That's time consuming and a little irritating. You can't do that as quickly as you could, say, place a die down next to the model.

I'm surprised no one has suggested the old stand-by of pipe-cleaners. Cut 'em up small to note wounds, and nice and bendable if you feel the need to hang them.

Other colors are great for indicating statuses as well.

Oh, and they're cheap to boot.

That idea I like!

A piece of paper is the only workable solution to a horde of individual Nobz. Tiny magnets will get lost, and hangers will fall off.