Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 06:44:06
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
Well, you traded one WL for a Guardian squad. That's not a big issue.
I'd consider 3 War Walkers with shuricannons, 120 pts, cheap and effective.
This is a unit to be guided. What other unit will the Farseer guide? WL with BS 4 or Guardians with one heavy weapon?
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/08/05 06:48:51
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 09:38:52
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
|
3 War walkers with Shuriken cannons are good and cheap as mentioned above, but I would personally use any extra points I would have on uprgading the shuriken cannons to scatter lasers, at least to get two scatter lasers
|
Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 11:43:55
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
New Zealand
|
The second list is definitely better, it gives you two scoring units which can hang back and one which will be moving up the field. Even though the Wraithguard are a real pain to deal with I really don't like the idea of trying to win with two scoring units when they are both on foot. You probably don't need as many units with Conceal, if any at all due to the prevalence of cover in 5th. You should be using your Harlies to screen as much as possible which gives you 4+ cover anyway. Similarly the Guardians should either be hiding behind the Wraithguard (if the Guardians are moving forward) or sitting in terrain so they can grab an objective. The only unit which imo should consider taking it is the Wraithguard, they want to be moving up the field as much as they can and sometimes you can't or don't want to move in cover. I would say drop the Warlocks from the Guardian units completely but you need to keep your Lords working, the Spirit Seer will likely be moving forward and the single Farseer can't reliably cover both, so I would probably keep the Warlocks in but change them to either Embolden (to keep them around when the Avatar dies or moves out of range) or just run them with no power (they at least give you a last ditch anti tank weapon). I can't say I'm a fan of Wraithguard, being tough to kill is basically negated by their short ranged guns which mean more often than not you fire once and then get stuck in combat. That unit is incredibly expensive and will kill 1 maybe 2 tanks in a game, but its tough to get anti tank firepower into a list like this so fair enough I guess. To get around this a bit it could be worth giving them Enhance, if you can keep them screened/in cover then it makes the unit passable in combat. In any case try and keep the Harlies near them to counter charge. As a bonus you might be able to use them to give your Lords cover (I only have the older metal Lords though which are smaller). You would probably be better served by taking Doom rather than Guide in this list. As mentioned you don't have much to Guide in this list. I prefer Doom as it potentially helps your entire army rather than just a single unit, in this list it gives a massive boost to your horde control (EML and flamer templates) but more importantly makes your Harlies much more dangerous with rerolled Rending.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/08/05 11:44:29
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 14:17:52
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Sneaky Striking Scorpion
|
Just one question, can the Wraithguard shoot over the Harlequins?
I like the wraithguard(like mini wraitlords) but they do seem to be pretty weak in CC.
I agree maybe swapping to Doom. No need for guide if I keep moving in formation there will be permanent cover save until i can get the wraithlords into melee, afther they have killed the tanks and tougher units.
So possible drops some warlocks and make the Guardian Squads stronger?
|
War is my master; Death my mistress - Maugan Ra |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 14:29:05
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Furious Fire Dragon
|
I like the first list more, but the second list will be slightly more competitive because it has more warm bodies to soak wounds. Footdar is hard to run effectively with a large WG squad taking so many points. At that point you become a refused flank/hammer and anvil list that really waits for stupid enemies to get close enough or assault you so you can close in.
I think both lists are fine to start out with really. they are definitely the 'core' of a foot list. Some other good units for foot lists at higher point levels:
Warp Spiders
War Walker Squadron
Eldrad
More Guardians
Multiple Harlie squads
I like Vypers, but others will disagree =)
|
Zain~
http://ynnead-rising.blogspot.com/
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:03:29
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne
|
Okay, as you have a complete footslogging list the Avatar is a good HQ choice. I assume your plan is to have the Avatar advance with everything but the guardians + seer, camp them back on an objective and try secure objectives with the Wraithguard?
Its a pretty solid list as far as footdar go. If you like wraithguard then take them, but they are a rather big point commitment. You could get a squad of dire avengers in a wave serpent for that amount of points for a last minute objective rush, but that down to preference.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:07:05
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Sneaky Striking Scorpion
|
Sooooooooooooo...living in a 3rd world country really sucks. We have two GW suppliers and neither of them have any wraith-guards. And there are only two Wraith-Lords. Stock will be arriving in the next 2 months(or so they believe).
So its time to rebuild my list around stock.
They have all the tanks so it seems i am going to be playing mech. Now I just need to figure out a list for that. Anyone feel like posting a starter 1500 PT list for me to work with?
|
War is my master; Death my mistress - Maugan Ra |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:10:42
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Napoleonics Obsesser
|
Fire dragons are a good idea I've heard. But I warn you, the yellow heads are a pain to paint with the proper colors, so be careful!
|
If only ZUN!bar were here... |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:44:22
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
|
Fire dragons need a transport though, otherwise your enemy will do everything to shoot them down if he has a mech list. Otherwise, they're not that useful, apart from IDing command squads.
|
Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:49:55
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
Well, then build a mech Eldar army.
Farseer, 2 DA units in Serpents, 2 FD squads in Serpents, 2 Fire Prisms.
That's a good starting point.
|
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:53:44
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
|
There's no problem having a foot army. After all FD on foot are still fun for burning up independant characters
|
Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 15:56:26
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
Fire Dragons on foot will not live long.
A smart enemy will target them at first sight.
|
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 16:04:01
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
|
True. Then again the opponent could be playing on foot and ignorantly decide to ignore the FD, but that's unprobable
|
Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 16:06:04
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
No, with a mech Eldar army, I'll put pressure on the enemy (flank)
and this will force him to target the heavy skimmers first.
|
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 16:21:28
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Stoic Grail Knight
|
I wouldn't worry too much about the store not having a stock of wraithguard models. Indeed I haven't seen a retailer yet that has had 3 wraith lord and 10 wraithguard on their shelves in the united states. On the same note, I doubt they have enough tanks shelved for a full on mech army, you'll need something along the lines of a farseer, 4 or 5 wave serpents, 2 fire prisms, 2 boxes of dragons, and 3 boxes of Dire Avengers. Good luck finding all that on the shelves! This is an example of a generic Mech list that will treat you quite well. (95) Farseer- Doom, Warding (80) 5 Fire Dragons (100) Wave Serpent- tl shuri cannon (80) 5 Fire Dragons (100) Wave Serpent- tl shuri cannon (152) 10 Dire Avengers- exarch, 2 catapults, bladestorm (120) Wave Serpent- tl eml (152) 10 Dire Avengers- exarch, 2 catapults, bladestorm (120) Wave Serpent- tl eml (152) 10 Dire Avengers- exarch, 2 catapults, bladestorm (120) Wave Serpent- tl eml (115) Fire Prism (115) Fire Prism Total: 1501 We aren't space marines, the shelves aren't stocked to the brim with eldar models Pick whichever type of list you like most, and place your orders at your retailer / surf ebay / look at the warstore ( http://www.thewarstore.com/) I sincerly doubt that any retailer is going to have a good 1500 point eldar list of any flavor stocked and ready for purchase on the shelves EDIT: you said supliers though, that may change things. Still, I'd look at shipping options, its possible to get the models. The internet is a great reasource
|
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2010/08/05 16:26:57
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 16:37:31
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Stormin' Stompa
|
Mech. Do it.
At the very least, when you get all of the weapons shot off your spirit-stoned Wave Serpents, you still have 24" battering rams for contesting objectives.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 17:20:40
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Sneaky Striking Scorpion
|
A Couple of questions then:
Can a Wave Serpent without any troops in contest or hold an objective?
What real purpose do the fire dragons server? (other than tank killing)
I have seen a few lists with more than 1500 pts (1503 eg) is that legal?
|
War is my master; Death my mistress - Maugan Ra |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 17:24:06
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
Well, any tank can contest an objective. But tanks cannot hold objectives.
Fire Dragons are tank busters in the first place. They need a Serpent to get close (into 6'' range).
After this, they will eventually die.
Its generally a good trade pointwise, say 5 Fire Dragons vs. 1 Landraider.
The point limit is not allowed to be exceeded (only in friendly games, tell your friends.)
|
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/05 21:02:07
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Sneaky Striking Scorpion
|
How does the Mech list play tactically? And shouldn't the Wave Serpents have any upgrades like Vectored Engines or Holo Fields?
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/08/06 07:12:42
War is my master; Death my mistress - Maugan Ra |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/06 07:10:59
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
Well, good question.
A mech list is fast enough to target one enemy flank.
After the flank has gone down, then move towards the centre.
If you include an Autarch you could leave the force in reserve.
This is particularly useful against a shooty enemy that goes first.
|
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/06 07:59:14
Subject: Re:New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Sneaky Striking Scorpion
|
To include an autarch I am assuming he should have a jump pack to be able to reach the rest of the army?
|
War is my master; Death my mistress - Maugan Ra |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/08/06 11:57:24
Subject: New to 40k want to play Eldar
|
 |
Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
|
Well, an Autarch is not a must-have in a mech list.
I'd equip her with a fusion gun and let her join the FD's.
In kill point mission its better to keep her safe.
A lone IC is a dead IC.
|
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a " " I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss |
|
 |
 |
|