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Black and grey is fine. It's a "menacing" color scheme, I guess.

If you had Nazi symbols or anything clearly hinting at them, I'd assume you were a supremacist or a sympathizer. I don't know a lot of people who slap Nazi imagery on things 'cause it "looks cool," nor do I care to. Your motives might be as pure as the driven snow, but honestly, I doubt a lot of people would bother to find out before making a call on them.

shrike wrote:Germans- look at thier names!

The ridged helmets and button-back coat tails are very distinctly French.


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shrike wrote: They get the guard equivalent of a Drop pod (hades breaching drill), but units can arrive the turn after as well, and when the Drill surfaces, it inflicts a S10, 5" blast hit on anything over where it turned up. In the turns anfter, it has a 3" blast meltagun and when it rams, it counts as S10.

Everyone gets the Hades. Veterans use it in a C:IG army.

Well like I said, I want it to look Nazi-theme because they look cool. Are they bad people, yes... but I like the look.

Am I a Nazi, no, do I like their style yes.

I do know it can go too far, but like I mentioned, it was only for my FLGS, I wouldn't want to go to a GT, RT, or any other tourney and present
Commissar Adolf's Legion.

Also, there are games that are historically accurate and show the symbols, it's historical. Plus, what's the point of playing a game like that if you won't ever be the bad guy?

So maybe Nazi-theme isn't the best, maybe Nazi colors, but different symbols as suggested. I'd probably go with something more Black Metal based then, ram skull, pentagram, but that also gets looks.

But I do like the reverse swastika, I know what it stands for and it'd be nice to show people what's up.

Don't put Swastikas on them, it makes you a tool.

Also DKoK are WW1. It's like saying all Germans are Nazis. So you can offend Germans and Jews at the same time.

Basically, you'll be an ignorant tool.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Don't put Swastikas on them, it makes you a tool.

Also DKoK are WW1. It's like saying all Germans are Nazis. So you can offend Germans and Jews at the same time.

Basically, you'll be an ignorant tool.

They're not WW1 guys, they're themed as so.

It's not hard to customize, or make a weird time altered army, where the German army of WW1 meets WW2 or the 40k renegade guard discover the lost uniforms of a fallen army.

Seaward wrote:Black and grey is fine. It's a "menacing" color scheme, I guess.

If you had Nazi symbols or anything clearly hinting at them, I'd assume you were a supremacist or a sympathizer. I don't know a lot of people who slap Nazi imagery on things 'cause it "looks cool," nor do I care to. Your motives might be as pure as the driven snow, but honestly, I doubt a lot of people would bother to find out before making a call on them.

^^

What the man said.

How is it possible that out of all of history people can't find something a bit less controversial than Nazi Germany on which to base their army colour scheme?

Kilkrazy wrote:

Seaward wrote:Black and grey is fine. It's a "menacing" color scheme, I guess.

If you had Nazi symbols or anything clearly hinting at them, I'd assume you were a supremacist or a sympathizer. I don't know a lot of people who slap Nazi imagery on things 'cause it "looks cool," nor do I care to. Your motives might be as pure as the driven snow, but honestly, I doubt a lot of people would bother to find out before making a call on them.

^^

What the man said.

How is it possible that out of all of history people can't find something a bit less controversial than Nazi Germany on which to base their army colour scheme?

I get what you mean, I think it's just a bad coincidence, that Nazi colors, are also what I find cool colors to theme an army on.

The_Savior wrote:Well like I said, I want it to look Nazi-theme because they look cool. Are they bad people, yes... but I like the look.

Am I a Nazi, no, do I like their style yes.

As I said above, if I'm honest, I think most people will not wait to find out your motivations before making a judgment call about the guy playing an army painted like that. I wouldn't.

Also, there are games that are historically accurate and show the symbols, it's historical. Plus, what's the point of playing a game like that if you won't ever be the bad guy?

There are indeed games that are historically accurate and show the symbols, because they're historical. Flames of War springs to mind. Warhammer 40K isn't one of them. Being set far in the future sort of nixes the possibility of being considered historical.

As for the point of playing a game if you won't ever be the bad guy? Maybe you should look into the recent Medal of Honor multiplayer controversy.

Let me put it this way; if your neighbor painted up his convertible to look like one of those Nazi staff cars, complete with swastikas - reversed or not - because he thought they looked cool, do you think the neighborhood would assume he did it because he thought it looked cool, or because he was all about Nazi ideology? I think just about everyone in the world would conclude it was the latter. It's a symbol, and an overall look, charged with a great deal of significance, and it means a lot to a lot of people - all of it bad. It's hard to be unaware of this, and choosing to go with it no matter how much you find the aesthetics appealing would be an...interesting call, to say the least.

Chongara wrote:I would not play with someone who had a seriously nazi themed 40k army. Honestly, their presence might be enough to get me to leave the group/store. No need to bring up nazis outside of a historical context unless it is to mock them.

I agree with this.

Skip the emblems and stuff, their really isnt any need for that at all and why even risk offending someone?

Seaward wrote:

The_Savior wrote:Well like I said, I want it to look Nazi-theme because they look cool. Are they bad people, yes... but I like the look.

Am I a Nazi, no, do I like their style yes.

As I said above, if I'm honest, I think most people will not wait to find out your motivations before making a judgment call about the guy playing an army painted like that. I wouldn't.

Also, there are games that are historically accurate and show the symbols, it's historical. Plus, what's the point of playing a game like that if you won't ever be the bad guy?

There are indeed games that are historically accurate and show the symbols, because they're historical. Flames of War springs to mind. Warhammer 40K isn't one of them. Being set far in the future sort of nixes the possibility of being considered historical.

As for the point of playing a game if you won't ever be the bad guy? Maybe you should look into the recent Medal of Honor multiplayer controversy.

Let me put it this way; if your neighbor painted up his convertible to look like one of those Nazi staff cars, complete with swastikas - reversed or not - because he thought they looked cool, do you think the neighborhood would assume he did it because he thought it looked cool, or because he was all about Nazi ideology? I think just about everyone in the world would conclude it was the latter. It's a symbol, and an overall look, charged with a great deal of significance, and it means a lot to a lot of people - all of it bad. It's hard to be unaware of this, and choosing to go with it no matter how much you find the aesthetics appealing would be an...interesting call, to say the least.

True, true, but I'd laugh to see my Hispanic grandpa drive a Nazi vehcile (He's my neighbor.)

I think I'd paint them the colors, and avoid the symbols.

The colours are fine. Make up your own symbols and promote creativity. Be safe and not sorry. Don't use a swastika. It's surpirsing the amount of people want to paint thier (non-Fow) army men like nazis. Like it's been said. The colours people don't mind. The symbols they do.

ChrisWWII wrote: Not to mention a lot of people WILL be offended. Trust me, I've had personal experience with this involving a Soviet flag, 4th of July, and a summer course at Georgetown.

I would like details to see if this is similar to something stupid I did once.

The_Savior wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Seaward wrote:Black and grey is fine. It's a "menacing" color scheme, I guess.

If you had Nazi symbols or anything clearly hinting at them, I'd assume you were a supremacist or a sympathizer. I don't know a lot of people who slap Nazi imagery on things 'cause it "looks cool," nor do I care to. Your motives might be as pure as the driven snow, but honestly, I doubt a lot of people would bother to find out before making a call on them.

^^

What the man said.

How is it possible that out of all of history people can't find something a bit less controversial than Nazi Germany on which to base their army colour scheme?

I get what you mean, I think it's just a bad coincidence, that Nazi colors, are also what I find cool colors to theme an army on.

No one is arguing about color schemes.
Get real. If you're not arguing color schemes, you want to put nazi symbols on. Thats being a tool.

In the bland normality of the close present, there is only political correctness.

Why not do what Marvel did, and use mythological symbols, like a Kraken or something, rather than actual Nazi imagery?

Nothing wrong with field grey minis

Nothing wrong with maltese cross on said field grey minis

Put swastikas on your models and there is a good chance someone is going to take offense and crush your minis in front of your eyes and its not like anyone is going to back you up.

But field grey is easy to paint and looks good.

Oh boy, the self riteous are out en masse! It's a symbol, get over it already. Show this much indignance over the Hammer & Sickle or the cluster of stars on Communist China's flag.

There are a multitude of symbols used by the Heer and SS on their vehicles as tactical symbols that would befuddle the average gamer as to their origins.

Very few units had a swaz on them at all in the field anyway, except for maybe a Brest Eagle on their tunic or an eagle on their hat.

Look up the Prinz Eugen mountain division and see their symbol. Innocuous to the untrained eye.

I was planning on making a circa 1943-1944 Unit of Panzergrenadiers using the pea-dot camo scheme.

Stormrider wrote:Oh boy, the self riteous are out en masse! It's a symbol, get over it already. Show this much indignance over the Hammer & Sickle or the cluster of stars on Communist China's flag.

There are a multitude of symbols used by the Heer and SS on their vehicles as tactical symbols that would befuddle the average gamer as to their origins.

Very few units had a swaz on them at all in the field anyway, except for maybe a Brest Eagle on their tunic or an eagle on their hat.

Look up the Prinz Eugen mountain division and see their symbol. Innocuous to the untrained eye.

I was planning on making a circa 1943-1944 Unit of Panzergrenadiers using the pea-dot camo scheme.

Well, perhaps you don't see it as an issue, but some people genuinely do. I tried not to be self-righteous, and like other people, offered advice rather than sneering at the OP for his decision.
Besides, that's what the majority of people said; use other Teutonic imagery, but it's best to avoid the Swastika due to it's connotations.

It's not ANY imagery whatsoever associated with the Nazi's I'd be against, and I wouldn't even mind playing a game where models were giving Nazi salutes with swastikas painted everywhere there was room. I'd question the person I was playing...but a game is a game. However, I know several people would be offended by such imagery, and I'd consider it good advice to go for other Teutonic symbols. Maybe even the dual lightning bolt of the SS if you want to since that symbol doesn't have the same connotation attached to it as a swastika.

And VikingScott, nothing much. I just wore a Soviet flag as a cape with a KGB hat on the 4th of July. I had another friend who was wearing a Revolutionary era flag as a cape, and we had a lot of posed fights to symbolize the Cold War. (We wished we could get someone wearing a Union Jack, but...alas). Of course, wearing a Soviet flag drew the attention of quite a few people who were offended by it. My friend answered them thusly: "He's wearing it to show how America is such a great, and free nation that he can do this."

I personally enjoyed that quote. Of course, I took it off when we walked to the Iwo Jima memorial for the fireworks....I figured there it might be TOO distasteful.



Photo at dinner if you're interested.

The thing is that you'd never do it. Think about how many times you'd be painting that teeny tiny image onto the arm guard of every one of your soldiers? Most people would give up after half a minute. I know that as soon as I read your first post I was laughing at the thought of it.

Stormrider wrote:Oh boy, the self riteous are out en masse! It's a symbol, get over it already.

Symbols have meaning. That's what makes them powerful. That's why they're used. Hell, that's why a lot of the are trademarked. If I showed up with an army covered in Christian crosses, or the Star of David, or even rainbow flags, would you assume that I did it because I thought those symbols looked cool, or because I had some connection to the ideologies they represented?

When in doubt don't do it.
Whenever their is even the slightest possibility of someone being offended then it is most likely a bad idea to push it since most people tend not to apply common sense when confronted by something like this.
Colour scheme fine.
Symbols, not so much.

Manchu says: Do not attempt to get around the word filters.

Go for it. I wouldn't give you anything other than a "hey cool army" if you brought that in. It's only a symbol. When you stop letting that symbol hurt you, then all it becomes is some paint on a flag or what ever. As a student of history, I would very much appreciate seeing a Nazi themed Death Korps of Krieg army, just for the coolness factor. I'm not a Nazi, but I can appreciate someone doing something that they want to do, and not censoring themselves just cause they might step on someone's toes. I'm considering picking up a squad of DKoK, just so I can paint some Nazis.

Besides not EVERYTHING the Nazis did was bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany

Honestly paint them however you want, if someone complains (which they will) tell them they can go buy their own box of kriegers and paint them whatever they want. You have the freedom to design these guys in nearly any fashion, so ask yourself what you want, not what other people want.

Of course it only takes a dash of common sense to know people will get angry and make assumptions, I'm probably jaded enough not to care, but all the people who do could be a good source of entertainment.

Finally if I were you the only thing I'd worry about is some punk smashing your models, which I think, considering your scheme, might be a legitamate concern.

Also Sieg Heil.

PraetorDave wrote:As a student of history, I would very much appreciate seeing a Nazi themed Death Korps of Krieg army, just for the coolness factor.

Wouldn't a "student of history" be aware that the Death Korps of Krieg don't resemble Nazis? As a "student of history," would you also appreciate seeing a Nazi-themed Catachan army, just for the coolness factor?

asimo77 wrote:Also Sieg Heil.

I really hope this is in jest.

It was. Nazis were known for their great sense of humour and stylin threads. And maybe some other stuff I read in a book, but seriously who reads books?

Seaward wrote:

PraetorDave wrote:As a student of history, I would very much appreciate seeing a Nazi themed Death Korps of Krieg army, just for the coolness factor.

Wouldn't a "student of history" be aware that the Death Korps of Krieg don't resemble Nazis? As a "student of history," would you also appreciate seeing a Nazi-themed Catachan army, just for the coolness factor?

Yes I am aware that, as a student of history (which isn't a lie, I'm currently completing my bachelors degree in History at West Chester University, in case you care), DKoK are not styled after WWII Germans, but more closely resemble WWI Germans, and to a lesser extent WWI French. However, I am aware that Warhammer is a made up game, and is compeletly fictional. As such, I think taking inspiration, and expanding on it is a worthwhile venture. For the lay person, WWI Germans isn't a far stretch to WWII Germans. Besides, if a scholar jumps on your nazi styled DKoK, just tell them that the Death Korps of Krieg doesn't represent anything even closely related to the 20th century, and therefore couldn't even be compared.

Also, a Nazi-themed Catachan army would be stupid. The Nazis never took part in jungle warfare. Fallschirmjager in jungle fatigues would just look silly. I know I just contradicted myself by comparing IG to Nazis. Sue me.

I just asked the guys at the shop what they thought.

I even asked the two players with the highest seniority, and one is in the Navy.

I was told that they thought it'd be nice, one said he didn't mind it might offend people but no one around here.

The Navy guy thought it'd be nice to see, and he doesn't even see a problem with it, and actually supported it, because like he said, it's my army you DO what you WANT. Also he said a guy back in Seattle did it too, and everyone thought it was cool.

Also, another point, it's kind of hard for a Hispanic guy like me to put a Nazi army down and say I am the Master Race.

@ The Savior. Just to throw in my two cents.

1. I would recommend not painting swastikas...I think in a lot of places especially in Europe, as we experienced Hitler, people would either think you were a Nancy or, not even think and just have a go at you. These sort of things can come back to haunt you. Imagine your boss comes round for tea, and see lots of little armed men with swastikas. Oh oh.

2. I do know what you mean though about the style...so what about considering the Thule Society. Its weird. Cultish. It shows you've thought about what you are doing and has a relatively uncontroversial downward sword as an emblem in its pre-Nazification emblem. Also, they allow a great deal of conversion potential as they were said to have created flying saucers. Think Hell Boy. That Clockwork Assassin was a Nancy in the Thule Soc.




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@ FYI a lot of the Nancy leadership fled to Latin American after the war due to the right wing/anti communist views and they used their skills to build up the military which led to the rise of people like Pinochet. So you might be Hispanic (European or Latin American?) (incidentally fascist Franco dictator of Spain, crappy friend of Hitler, Guernica, Spanish Civil War??? Wait. Now that would be an awesome theme for a IG army the Republicans!) but there is still a major connection to the 3rd Reich in either form of Hispanic culture...saying that the US and the USSR both absorbed technocrats and scientists into their military space programs...so...go figure.

manoknok wrote:@ The Savior. Just to throw in my two cents.

1. I would recommend not painting swastikas...I think in a lot of places especially in Europe, as we experienced Hitler, people would either think you were a Nancy or, not even think and just have a go at you. These sort of things can come back to haunt you. Imagine your boss comes round for tea, and see lots of little armed men with swastikas. Oh oh.

2. I do know what you mean though about the style...so what about considering the Thule Society. Its weird. Cultish. It shows you've thought about what you are doing and has a relatively uncontroversial downward sword as an emblem in its pre-Nazification emblem. Also, they allow a great deal of conversion potential as they were said to have created flying saucers. Think Hell Boy. That Clockwork Assassin was a Nancy in the Thule Soc.




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@ FYI a lot of the Nancy leadership fled to Latin American after the war due to the right wing/anti communist views and they used their skills to build up the military which led to the rise of people like Pinochet. So you might be Hispanic (European or Latin American?) (incidentally fascist Franco dictator of Spain, crappy friend of Hitler, Guernica, Spanish Civil War??? Wait. Now that would be an awesome theme for a IG army the Republicans!) but there is still a major connection to the 3rd Reich in either form of Hispanic culture...saying that the US and the USSR both absorbed technocrats and scientists into their military space programs...so...go figure.

Please elaborate as this has caught my attention.

Also wasn't that guy with blade gauntlets and goggles from Hellboy a Nazi or something?