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**stalkerzero**

Scarey Nerd wrote:Do you have a link to that rumour?

It's not so much a rumor as something that was posted as an aside in an old, old Necron thread on Warseer. As for a link I can't find it in their search.

**Scarey Nerd**

ObiFett wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:
Ascalam wrote:Power weapons are pretty much irrelevant against most orks, as they wear squig-beer cans as armoiur anyway

Melta is very effective vs ork vehicles, but (with the exception of the battlewagon's front armour) so a a thrown rock

I'm liking some of these rumors. Others are going to need a codex in fromt of me to evaluate fairly.

If Warriors have an ork boy's statline,as is inferred, they will have cruddy LD, the same lousy I and, S 3 and BS 2. That would turn me off Necrons hard, all on its own, as warriors suck dust now, let alone if that goes into effect.

I'm hoping it won't be exactly the same as a Boy's statline, that would make NO sense. I think this is more likely:
WS3 BS4 S3 T4 W1 I2 A1 Ld10 3+

Then there is no way in they will only cost 8 points.

And hence I don't believe these rumours. I'd like to, but... 8 points for a Warrior? Just not plausible.

**ObiFett**

You forget we are talking about GW. If warriors cost less, they will sell more models.

And thats the bottom line.

**Scarey Nerd**

ObiFett wrote:You forget we are talking about GW. If warriors cost less, they will sell more models.

And thats the bottom line.

True that. I was thinking today that, based on model sales, Sisters sell worse than Necrons, so they might get an update sooner. Whilst they are a loved army of mine, they don't need to be updated as badly, so I hope Necrons are next, but purely based on sales figures, GW might decide to value profits over playability.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye, Dryads where underpointed when Wood Elves came out, not sure if 8th reigned them in any.

Pretty certain other armies have certain troops choices undercosted to help out the army. So it's something GW has done before.

**Lexal Graves**

8 points a model might be the number they're shooting for, doesn't mean they won't get nerfed between now and the time we get the new codex in our hands.

**Lord_Mortis**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
ObiFett wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:
Ascalam wrote:Power weapons are pretty much irrelevant against most orks, as they wear squig-beer cans as armoiur anyway

Melta is very effective vs ork vehicles, but (with the exception of the battlewagon's front armour) so a a thrown rock

I'm liking some of these rumors. Others are going to need a codex in fromt of me to evaluate fairly.

If Warriors have an ork boy's statline,as is inferred, they will have cruddy LD, the same lousy I and, S 3 and BS 2. That would turn me off Necrons hard, all on its own, as warriors suck dust now, let alone if that goes into effect.

I'm hoping it won't be exactly the same as a Boy's statline, that would make NO sense. I think this is more likely:
WS3 BS4 S3 T4 W1 I2 A1 Ld10 3+

Then there is no way in they will only cost 8 points.

And hence I don't believe these rumours. I'd like to, but... 8 points for a Warrior? Just not plausible.

Perhaps it was a typo. Maybe the OP meant to type "180 squad 10" instead of "80 squad 10." That's what they cost currently, and I can't really see them changing that much points wise. With a drop on some stats but buffs on FNP, Guass weapons, etc., I can see them remaining around 18 points. But I guess we will just have to wait and see.

**Kirasu**

Monolith is land raider price? and got *better*? its already the toughest vehicle unit in the game almost and its already similar in price to a land raider

I really hope they ditch living metal for something more scalable. Sweet more units that DS into cover.. thats worked out so well for all the other units

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Let's just hope that the new Monolith stats are not as good as they are described in "Fall Of Damnos". That would be scary. Really, Monoliths so good that it takes 2 SM's with amateur bombs to destroy? AND green laser beams of death?

**Quintinus**

Strong username to post content ratio

**Scarey Nerd**

Vladsimpaler wrote:Strong username to post content ratio

+1

Although, what if Bob works at GW, saw a playtest, new that they'd try and curbstomp any leaked information so he rushed to his computer, made an account and then hastened to inform the masses in an act of compassion?

EDIT: That sounds a lot more sarcastic than I intended

**juraigamer**

Op account needs IP compare to any other posters on forum, if it turns up blank, I won't feel the need to pour this all over this topic:

**Juvieus Kaine**

I like how warscythes were not mentioned

I'm rather glad, maybe they'll stay as they are and make everyone cry when they filed their hammernators

**logg_frogg**

Oh the Gossip!!!!

Honestly tho none of it sounds far fetched. I'm interested to see If cron;s are even next on the docket!

**Scarey Nerd**

Are we agreed that 80 points is a typo? If they're 8 points each, I don't think I want to play them any more... They'll be too awful...

**stalkerzero**

Scarey Nerd wrote:Are we agreed that 80 points is a typo? If they're 8 points each, I don't think I want to play them any more... They'll be too awful...

I think it's pretty much agreed that this has to be taken with huge dose of skepticism in the first place.

So, because Ork Boyz and less than a Space Marine they are awful? They could easily make the Necron Warrior the shooty version of an Ork, give it a bit more survivability, and ta-da it's 8 points.

**Scarey Nerd**

stalkerzero wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:Are we agreed that 80 points is a typo? If they're 8 points each, I don't think I want to play them any more... They'll be too awful...

I think it's pretty much agreed that this has to be taken with huge dose of skepticism in the first place.

So, because Ork Boyz and less than a Space Marine they are awful? They could easily make the Necron Warrior the shooty version of an Ork, give it a bit more survivability, and ta-da it's 8 points.

It'd be more than a 2 point jump for its save to be 3+ and to have a BS a lot better than 2, though. And preferably a better leadership.

**Jackal**

Hmmm, 18 points per warrior now ...... 8 later?
I will chime in and agree with a typo at this point.
TBH, i cant see them changing points wise per warrior.

Possible upgrades may be here now for each unit, but i doubt it will be anything drastic.

Wraiths need power weapons, or rending at the very least.
Great model, not bad stats, but the lack of any special weapon holds them back badly.

**AgeOfEgos**

FNP that ignores plasma guns. I'm starting to think that someone in the design studio makes a percentage with melta gun sales.

I can see why they have them ignore double strength for purposes of FNP. In the current missile launcher friendly environment and 25% phase out per unit---coupled with no transports---at 18 pts per---I think SW would laugh them off the table.

**tarnish**

I doubt that gw would hire someone that has this bad a grasp of the english language....

Unless marketing involves hitting rocks until they become gravel.

**Azure**

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Necrons/NECRON-PYLON.html Pylon already exists mate. I doubt thy validity

**MadCowCrazy**

tarnish wrote:I doubt that gw would hire someone that has this bad a grasp of the english language....

Unless marketing involves hitting rocks until they become gravel with your head

Fixed that for you.
I have been looking around the web for peoples reactions to these rumours and most seem to agree that they are very unlikely.
However if you compare them to what GKs get for just 4pts over a space marine you might be able to drag the pt cost of a warrior down to say 12-14pt per model.

Azure wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Necrons/NECRON-PYLON.html Pylon already exists mate. I doubt thy validity

So did the Trygon and Valkyrie....

**Azure**

To my knowledge they didn't get a radical overhaul, like would be required for the Pylon to Pylon however

**The Metal Tide**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:Strong username to post content ratio

+1

Although, what if Bob works at GW, saw a playtest, new that they'd try and curbstomp any leaked information so he rushed to his computer, made an account and then hastened to inform the masses in an act of compassion?

EDIT: That sounds a lot more sarcastic than I intended

What and Australia is a cover. it would make sense as to why its incomprehensible and the points value is (typo?)

**Kurgash**

Hmm..I have been eying the few warrior sprues left undone from my battleforce box. Maybe I should build them after reading this.

**The Metal Tide**

Kurgash wrote:Hmm..I have been eying the few warrior sprues left undone from my battleforce box. Maybe I should build them after reading this.

IMO i would build them even if the new dex makes them worse. It never hurts to have some spare ones made should anything happen to your exiting models.

**Kurgash**

The Metal Tide wrote:
Kurgash wrote:Hmm..I have been eying the few warrior sprues left undone from my battleforce box. Maybe I should build them after reading this.

IMO i would build them even if the new dex makes them worse. It never hurts to have some spare ones made should anything happen to your exiting models.

I have about 70 lying around the box but so many are old color schemes, first time paint jobs, early hobby, etc, I'd definitely build a ton in preparing for the update as warriors will make a glorious comeback.

**The Metal Tide**

Kurgash wrote:
The Metal Tide wrote:
Kurgash wrote:Hmm..I have been eying the few warrior sprues left undone from my battleforce box. Maybe I should build them after reading this.

IMO i would build them even if the new dex makes them worse. It never hurts to have some spare ones made should anything happen to your exiting models.

I have about 70 lying around the box but so many are old color schemes, first time paint jobs, early hobby, etc, I'd definitely build a ton in preparing for the update as warriors will make a glorious comeback.

Well making the new ones will give you some pristine models and paint job. Resurrecting the older models and unifying them under the same colour scheme will be gratifying and well you know.

**Smitty0305**

Kymera wrote:I appreciate the info but this took a bit of thought to decipher. Now, I have not seen the new Necron codex but here's what I make of your post:

bob_from_marketing wrote:Warriors, now come with a squad leader 'Prime' - eh , like a sergeant, PW (think staff of light - but A2), stat line now looks like a Boy... a 3+ boy... 80 squad 10.

Necron Warriors squads can now have a Sergeant type upgrade with access to special weapons (ex: Power Weapons). Necron Warriors have stats similar to an Ork (?) Boy but with a 3+ save, a squad of 10 costs 80 points.

bob_from_marketing wrote:Gauss. Same rules but counts as AP1 on a 6 - only on vehicle.

Gauss weapons count as AP1 on a penetration role of a '6' but only against vehicles.

bob_from_marketing wrote:Phase out: will now be once a unit is reduced to 25% of its initital numbers, it phases out

Phase out how affects individual squads. When a squad is reduced to 25% of its starting strength it phases out.

bob_from_marketing wrote:WBB: basically a 4+ fnp, Str 8 wont auto kill, str 9+ does. ap1 does, ap2, 3 no effect

We'll Be Back is now FNP but you need more than double toughness to negate it, also it is only negated with AP1, not AP2 or 3.

bob_from_marketing wrote:Flayed are troops, 2a, reduce ld to 5! also DS into cover

Flayed Ones are now Troops, with 2 attacks base. They can reduce the Leadership of nearby units and can DS into terrain.

bob_from_marketing wrote:Wraiths, cost 4 pts more, have pw

This one is clear.

bob_from_marketing wrote:many weapons have Nec at the start, guess who wrote the dex.
1 New vehicles, Pylon. Pylon is a AV12 turrnet which can pile plate or move 'Necrons' next to it

Necrons get a new immobile vehicle called a Pylon with AV12 (all around?) which can either fire some kind of large blast weapon or move Necron units.

bob_from_marketing wrote:mon is now LR price, but better...

Monoliths get a boost and cost about the same as a Land Raider.

bob_from_marketing wrote:Destroyers now pick as a group to fire S6AP4H3 or S9AP2H1

I'll take this to mean that the Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers are the same unit but their gun has 2 modes of fire. All Destroyers in a squad must use the same mode of fire in a given turn.

bob_from_marketing wrote:Tomb spiders have 4 variants, 40pt base. 1variant is basically a tervi but only produces base scarabs
army is very very mobile, but not is a get in a box and move way.

More Tomb Spider variants one of which can still spawn Scarabs similar to a Tervigon spawning Termagaunts. Additionally, Necrons get more mobile but still no traditional transports.

Thanks for restating everything he said........his writing stlye isnt hard to decifer.

**Scarey Nerd**

The Metal Tide wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:Strong username to post content ratio

+1

Although, what if Bob works at GW, saw a playtest, new that they'd try and curbstomp any leaked information so he rushed to his computer, made an account and then hastened to inform the masses in an act of compassion?

EDIT: That sounds a lot more sarcastic than I intended

What and Australia is a cover. it would make sense as to why its incomprehensible and the points value is (typo?)

Hmm, didn't see that he was from Australia, I doubt that GW would email a copy of a codex's rules to another country just for them to playtest it. I was predicting the incomprehensibility was from speed-typing.