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Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Seconded. I would love to see some well done Fem-Marines.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Seconded. I would love to see some well done Fem-Marines.

I want to see this too.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Seconded. I would love to see some well done Fem-Marines.

And there's the rub.

"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Kanluwen wrote:"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Just for you I will make a female marine when I start on my Space Marines and show that you don't have to make them fugly or boob-zilla but can in fact get reasonable looking female marines

SilverMK2 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Just for you I will make a female marine when I start on my Space Marines and show that you don't have to make them fugly or boob-zilla but can in fact get reasonable looking female marines

That's impossible. Such a thing is like an angry unicorn or a donkeykong.

Kanluwen wrote:"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Only if you consider that the sole purpose of female models is to be eye candy. This does seem to be the general consensus in wargaming though.

Full Female Ork army!

Trickstick wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Only if you consider that the sole purpose of female models is to be eye candy. This does seem to be the general consensus in wargaming though.

...Have you read most of the threads about fem marines?

People don't want Fem-Marines that look 'realistic'.
They want Pretty Marines.

Melissia wrote:

Xarian wrote:Boobs come in various sizes

Something GW needs to learn.

What are you talking about? I've played enough video games and Warhammer to know that a breast is equal to if not larger than the size of one's head.

It's common knowledge you know.

Kanluwen wrote:

Trickstick wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Only if you consider that the sole purpose of female models is to be eye candy. This does seem to be the general consensus in wargaming though.

...Have you read most of the threads about fem marines?

People don't want Fem-Marines that look 'realistic'.
They want Pretty Marines.

Yeah, people do tend to want that kind of thing. Well, if that is what they like, good for them.

I just had a thought. There is nothing on a marine model to make it either male or female, as long as it has a helmet. I wonder if people would mind if you just said your marine army was female, maybe a head swap or two.

What's with people and fem marines? Sob are fem marines the both have bolters and wear armor....

Dahl Corp. wrote:What's with people and fem marines? Sob are fem marines the both have bolters and wear armor....

SoB are humans in power armor. Space Marines are hideously mutated, asexual space monks. There's a bizarre obsession with trying to expand Space Marines to include female recruits, despite it making sense on exactly no levels: it would contradict both fluff and logic, and affect no aesthetic change since a female put through the same treatment as a Space Marine would end looking exactly like current Space Marines: a pasty (well, except when exposed to direct light, as they have photochromic skin, on a more fast-acting level than humans do), barrel shaped, acid-drooling, balding mutant wearing the jumpsuit version of an Abrams.

i still think this obsession over making "all female" or "female variants" of armies that dont already include them is just manifestiation of ones frustrated libido. i mean really.... just google it.

otherwise the only armies that would really have any reason to field all female warriors, would be the respective eldar races. and it is doable. eldar can field female dire avengers/gaurdians, banshees, and with some conversion work rangers and farseer/warlock. warp spiders are armored enough that it wouldnt really show, and the same is true for scorps.

dark eldar have female torsos on all existing plastic kits, and with enough work can be converted into just about anything save for haemonculus units (wich are deformed and androgenous anyway)

other armies, have no reason for females. gaurd simply dont recruit them, space marines you couldnt tell the diffrence anyway because bulky armor would simply cover up anything identifying. armor and thick clothes do not "form fit" and a woman wearing such would pretty much look like her male squad mates. (look at women in full military gear today as example), chaos for the same reason as above, daemons well.... they have daemonettes but fluff wise chaos daemons dont really disginuish between the genders. they simply appear as they wish. tau wouldnt recruit any into military service (do they even have females?) orks are fungus and asexual, and bugs are well bugs. to make an all female tyranids army just paint them up colorful like. research insect gender and visibile diffrences for ideas. now lets 'finally' put this to bed eh?

A well done Fem Marine would look like Samus Aaron in the early metroid games. The ones where it was a surprise at the end that she was even a girl.

In that sense any one of your Spess Mahreens could be girls! and you just don't realize it yet! Oooo the suspense!

Here is my all female SM army...enjoy

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/330110.page

DarthSpader wrote:i still think this obsession over making "all female" or "female variants" of armies that dont already include them is just manifestiation of ones frustrated libido.

Or maybe we're just frustrated with people like yourself making lame excuses and lamer jokes to justify your outdated beliefs, to our detriment.

other armies, have no reason for females. gaurd simply dont recruit them... tau wouldnt recruit any into military service (do they even have females?)

Both wrong. Both armies have female soldiers according to canon.

daemons well.... they have daemonettes

Daemons had Daemonettes, until GW threw away the advances of the last generation of metal daemons to go back to ugly oldschool rubbish.

now lets 'finally' put this to bed eh?

Just as soon as GW starts releasing all-female plastic kits, to go with the dozens of all-male plastic kits.

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Stop being an instigator, Melissia.

Eh, we all know the Space Marines don't want women even if they could make female space marines.

They are all homo-gay. This is coming from a Space Marine player.

DarthSpader wrote:gaurd simply dont recruit them

Guard do recruit females. By and large, regiments are segregated by gender, though there are a few mixed gender regiments. The second regiment that Commisar Cain was assigned to was a mixed gender regiment - the Valhallan 597th, which was an amalgamation of a male regiment and female regiment that had both been badly mauled.

tau wouldnt recruit any into military service

The Tau actually have a female HQ character that you can include with your army (the Ethereals elevated her after Farsight went rogue)...

Though iirc all that's visible is her head, so it's impossible to tell based on that alone whether or not there's any sexual dimorphism. In any case, given the armor that all Tau wear, it's unlikely that you'd be able to tell any difference anyway (her armor is a unique prototype, iirc, so it doesn't match up with regular Tau wargear and thus can't be directly compared).

AlexHolker wrote:

daemons well.... they have daemonettes

Daemons had Daemonettes, until GW threw away the advances of the last generation of metal daemons to go back to ugly oldschool rubbish.

Totally with you on that one... I fell off my chair the first time I saw those
On fluff, Gaunt's Ghosts features a bunch of female soldiers.

reading the tau dex the only female of mention is shadowsun. so i suppose they do have both genders and thier is precident for having them enter military service, but looking at shadowsun in particular, with the helmet off nothing differentiates her as female. wich reinforces my earlier argument that thick armor obscures any gender identifiers.

gaurd dont mention either way, that ive read in codex. from my reading women generally appear as inquisistion or aides to planetary governers and such. not directly in service. and they certainly dont have special characters (ala shadowsun) to indicate a pressance. and as mentioed, unless they are catchan, they would be nigh undistinguishable from male aside from the head, (and would probally have trimmed hair to keep in military dress code) so again, would be nigh unidentifiable as female.

it is highly unlikley that women involved in war efforts in the grimdark universe would parade around in form fitting outfits baring clevage and midriff. simply because such attire would be impratical. in the same way as male warriors marching around in speedos. oddley dark eldar seem to embrace this attrire, but its somewhat supported in their fluff. other armies do not have that fluff support.

im not against all female armies, im simply stating that creating one in this setting is difficult to do with the given races, and if done, identifying them as such would be difficult.

therefore creating an "all female" army could be done using normal kits and painting them in feminine color schemes to act as a visual identifier, and you can provide any background you wish. but trying to create obvious female models aside from what pre exists is difficult and probally not required.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Dahl Corp. wrote:What's with people and fem marines? Sob are fem marines the both have bolters and wear armor....

SoB are humans in power armor. Space Marines are hideously mutated, asexual space monks. There's a bizarre obsession with trying to expand Space Marines to include female recruits, despite it making sense on exactly no levels: it would contradict both fluff and logic, and affect no aesthetic change since a female put through the same treatment as a Space Marine would end looking exactly like current Space Marines: a pasty (well, except when exposed to direct light, as they have photochromic skin, on a more fast-acting level than humans do), barrel shaped, acid-drooling, balding mutant wearing the jumpsuit version of an Abrams.

What the feth...

Dahl Corp. wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Dahl Corp. wrote:What's with people and fem marines? Sob are fem marines the both have bolters and wear armor....

SoB are humans in power armor. Space Marines are hideously mutated, asexual space monks. There's a bizarre obsession with trying to expand Space Marines to include female recruits, despite it making sense on exactly no levels: it would contradict both fluff and logic, and affect no aesthetic change since a female put through the same treatment as a Space Marine would end looking exactly like current Space Marines: a pasty (well, except when exposed to direct light, as they have photochromic skin, on a more fast-acting level than humans do), barrel shaped, acid-drooling, balding mutant wearing the jumpsuit version of an Abrams.

What the feth...

Although its a bit over the top, it is very true that it would make no sence for GW to release females marines, why? either they release over sexualised figures that lead to a backlash and do nothing for the 'sexual equality' camp of complainers, or they release identical models and just say they are female marines and get just the same group kicking off again.

The large majority of the 'i want female marines' group don't really understand that if a girl was to go through the space marine creation process, she would end up identical to a male counterpart. Applicants are picked before puberty so:

1. rapid bone growth and reshaping to a defined structure would lead to any female bone structures being lost.
2. rapid muscle growth and the loss of excess fat would alter the shape of the recruit and remove any femine features (alot of femine features are based on the fact that women carry fat differently and as space marines are never fat or have much if any fat on them, then the femine shape would not exist).
3. selective hormone replacement and increases would stop any development of female organs.
4. following the index astartes would mean that they would most likely be shaved.

So at the end of the day what is the point?

Melissia wrote:

Xarian wrote:Boobs come in various sizes

Something GW needs to learn.

That also goes for most people in the animation and graphic design business.
Japan, I'm looking at you... well, what's left of you anyways.


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Eumerin wrote:

The Tau actually have a female HQ character that you can include with your army (the Ethereals elevated her after Farsight went rogue)...

Though iirc all that's visible is her head, so it's impossible to tell based on that alone whether or not there's any sexual dimorphism. In any case, given the armor that all Tau wear, it's unlikely that you'd be able to tell any difference anyway (her armor is a unique prototype, iirc, so it doesn't match up with regular Tau wargear and thus can't be directly compared).

Even if they weren't wearing armor (whatever casual clothes they wear) I'm sure we still wouldn't be able to tell. I don't think Tau are mammal-like so the females probably wouldn't have breast.

Through using lots of RT era female IG and Necromunda Escher models, I've put together an all-female IG Platoon 35 models to ally to my SoB army. So yes, it can be done.

Kanluwen wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Seconded. I would love to see some well done Fem-Marines.

And there's the rub.

"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Not true.

Just make all of them wear helmets and say they're femmarines under the armor.

Dahl Corp. wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Dahl Corp. wrote:What's with people and fem marines? Sob are fem marines the both have bolters and wear armor....

SoB are humans in power armor. Space Marines are hideously mutated, asexual space monks. There's a bizarre obsession with trying to expand Space Marines to include female recruits, despite it making sense on exactly no levels: it would contradict both fluff and logic, and affect no aesthetic change since a female put through the same treatment as a Space Marine would end looking exactly like current Space Marines: a pasty (well, except when exposed to direct light, as they have photochromic skin, on a more fast-acting level than humans do), barrel shaped, acid-drooling, balding mutant wearing the jumpsuit version of an Abrams.

What the feth...

I'm not making any of that up, by the way. Space Marines in their default state are bleached an unnerving shade of white (regardless of what they looked like coming in), and should darken in an unnatural manner (going from white to gray to jet black without any of those pesky "normal human skin tones" at any stage) when exposed to UV radiation, before returning to the original shade once out of the light (that's the Salamander's thing: the organ controlling that is messed up, so they start at the darkest level), and the drooling acid bit is also straight from the codex ("betcher's gland", isn't it? I don't want to look at the codex because reading anything from Ward makes me wretch, a property it held long before I'd ever heard of him).

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Seconded. I would love to see some well done Fem-Marines.

And there's the rub.

"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.

Not true.

Just make all of them wear helmets and say they're femmarines under the armor.

Aren't we all women on the inside?

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
A pasty, barrel shaped, acid-drooling, balding mutant wearing the jumpsuit version of an Abrams.

QFT

DarthSpader wrote:
i still think this obsession over making "all female" or "female variants" of armies that dont already include them is just manifestiation of ones frustrated libido.

I respectfully disagree. I plan on build a Sisters of Silence counts-as SOB army when the models get updated. I want to build this army not because I'm obsessed with a 'girly' army, but because I like the Sisters of Silence fluff a lot. And for the record I like the Sister of Silence because they communicate using sign language (I have deaf friends, and know a little bit of ASL myself), not because it's a bunch of 'ladies'.

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

DickBandit wrote:
Do an all female Space Marine chapter to create instant rage amongst fluff nazis.

Do it!

Seconded. I would love to see some well done Fem-Marines.

And there's the rub.

"Well done Fem-Marines" would be so hideously ugly that you can't tell them apart for the men and defeats the purpose of making Fem-Marines.
Not true.

Just make all of them wear helmets and say they're femmarines under the armor.

Aren't we all women on the inside?

Well technically the unfertilized egg is female by default, which is why men have nipples. Or so I've heard

Something like that. For people who have only one sex chromosome, it's possible for an X only person to survive, but not quite so possible a Y only person (I'm not even sure that can happen naturally anyway, but I've read about weirder mutations).