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TheAngrySquig wrote:So then how do lascannons work? Is it like a Spartan laser from halo or is like a mini deathstar cannon

Like Lasgun but 100x bigger.

So then they are capable of totally vaporizing Space Marines in power armor right

TheAngrySquig wrote:So then they are capable of totally vaporizing Space Marines in power armor right

Well power armor is quite strong, but unarmored marine - maybe not that but it can kill him in 1 shot. ( It's designed for vehicles after all )

A lascannon is, yes, technically capable of utterly vaporizing a Space Marine in Power Armor. The lascannon is an anti-tank weapon, after all.

So in fluff it wouldn't rip through a land raider, would it?

Not a whole lot would straight up rip through a land raider, but it would definitely do some damage (discounting, of course, the lucky shots that happen to be blessed by the emperor).


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If you want land raider rippage, the demolisher is your friend.

Or melta weapons nice and close.

So it wouldn't be unrealistic for a Scout with a meltagun to jump out of a snow bank and blast through the side of a chaos land raider

No, it would not be.

Why?

I was thinking about making a piece of fluff where a lone scout joined with an IG platoon to repel a chaos invasion, my original idea was to have a lascannon team blow a hole in a land raider and have the scout and commisar deal with the termies inside. Now I will change it to the scout blasting through and the commissar helPing him take care of the termies while some STs provide supporting fire. Not totally realistic, but pretty awesome.

Theoretically possible, though a squad of Terminators is more than a match for a lone Scout and a platoon of IG.

Yeah, but it would be awesome

Jackster wrote:A lasgun shot can blow off a a person, or even penetrate weak points of a power armor, the trade off is worth it.

The weak parts of power armour AREN'T ARMOURED.

I could hit the weak points with a slingshot. Proves nothing.


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TheAngrySquig wrote:So it wouldn't be unrealistic for a Scout with a meltagun to jump out of a snow bank and blast through the side of a chaos land raider

Well the machine spirit would likely gun him down before he got there.

im2randomghgh wrote:The weak parts of power armour AREN'T ARMOURED.

... yes they are.

In Deathwatch, the weak parts of the armor have two less armor value than the strongest parts. They're still stronge than any other kind of armor even in the weak spots.


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TheAngrySquig wrote:So then they are capable of totally vaporizing Space Marines in power armor right

Lascannons? Yes, they're pretty much enough to demolish any power armor that they directly hit, leaving a nice clean hole through most power armored opponents unless they're guarded by a force field of some kind. Though infantry-mounted lascannons aren't as hug as vehicle-mounted ones as far as actual area of effect...

Melissia wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:The weak parts of power armour AREN'T ARMOURED.

... yes they are.

In Deathwatch, the weak parts of the armor have two less armor value than the strongest parts. They're still stronge than any other kind of armor even in the weak spots.


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TheAngrySquig wrote:So then they are capable of totally vaporizing Space Marines in power armor right

Lascannons? Yes, they're pretty much enough to demolish any power armor that they directly hit, leaving a nice clean hole through most power armored opponents unless they're guarded by a force field of some kind. Though infantry-mounted lascannons aren't as hug as vehicle-mounted ones as far as actual area of effect...

Well there is some annoying contradiction in fluff about that.

It is a fact that lascannon hit=something dies. But there have been stupid BL instances where terminators and even regular marines have shrugged off lascannons.

Just goes to show, BL=BS.

Also, in Deathwatch Space Marines do things that would make Matt Ward blush, it is just a game mechanic.

A table-top mini can, with lucky rolls, also shrug off a lascannon hit, so it's not just BL that contains such BS.

Okay so BL is BS and table-top rules are BS. So what isn't BS to you guys then? Has anyone read the links I posted?


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Show evidence about how Deathwatch has things that would make Matt Ward blush? Terminator armour able to tank Lasscannon shots is not hard to believe seeing as these thing were originally designed for workers to be able to get near plasma reactors in starships or something like that and now modifeied for Space Marine's who are super-humans, meaning they are bigger, heavier, stronger, to take these kind of hits.

Does it differ between the heavy weapons teams the IG use and the ones mounted on dreadnoughts? Is it like, the bigger the wielder the bigger the shot?

im2randomghgh wrote:

Melissia wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:The weak parts of power armour AREN'T ARMOURED.

... yes they are.

In Deathwatch, the weak parts of the armor have two less armor value than the strongest parts. They're still stronge than any other kind of armor even in the weak spots.


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TheAngrySquig wrote:So then they are capable of totally vaporizing Space Marines in power armor right

Lascannons? Yes, they're pretty much enough to demolish any power armor that they directly hit, leaving a nice clean hole through most power armored opponents unless they're guarded by a force field of some kind. Though infantry-mounted lascannons aren't as hug as vehicle-mounted ones as far as actual area of effect...

Well there is some annoying contradiction in fluff about that.

It is a fact that lascannon hit=something dies. But there have been stupid BL instances where terminators and even regular marines have shrugged off lascannons.

Just goes to show, BL=BS.

Also, in Deathwatch Space Marines do things that would make Matt Ward blush, it is just a game mechanic.

Much as I disagree with the implication that we should accept Fantasy Flight's stuff as canonical, it would be, in this instance, be reasonable (and consistent with pretty much all fluff) to assume that the joints of a suit of power armour are 'armoured' in the sense that they're presumably made of, oh I don't know what to call it, rubberized ceramite sounds plausible, but, since they must be flexible, will be weaker than the plates.

So far as lascannons go, Black Library probably don't let more than one Marine in six survive direct hits from them, do they?

English Assassin wrote:
Much as I disagree with the implication that we should accept Fantasy Flight's stuff as canonical, it would be, in this instance, be reasonable (and consistent with pretty much all fluff) to assume that the joints of a suit of power armour are 'armoured' in the sense that they're presumably made of, oh I don't know what to call it, rubberized ceramite sounds plausible, but, since they must be flexible, will be weaker than the plates.

So far as lascannons go, Black Library probably don't let more than one Marine in six survive direct hits from them, do they?

Why do you take the position that FFG fluff is non-canon? Are you one of those "all is non-canon except for the holy codexes"?

I would like it to be noted that I am not involved with the upcoming flame war

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Why do you take the position that FFG fluff is non-canon? Are you one of those "all is non-canon except for the holy codexes"?

Fantasy Flight make assumptions and draw inferences from the studio's established material which are, at times, at variance with other valid - and often more interesting - ones; their insistence, contrary to (admittedly old) Games Workshop material that Orks cannot be corrupted by the warp, for instance. I'm not advocating that we should ignore FFG's material, but it is at best deuterocanonical.

On a related note, I doubt many people get het up over whether Flame Industries and Hogshead Publishing's roleplaying supplements are canonical or not.

Sorry, where has GW said that Orks can't be corrupted by the Warp?

Because GW has had statements that Orks can be possessed, or even worship the Ruinous Powers(albeit unknowingly) and gain favor from them.

Most notably is Codex: Daemonhunters.
It's not a conscious effort on the Orks' part, but Orks are not necessarily immune to the touch of the Warp. The fact that they have Weirdboyz is proof enough of that.

Other way around, FFG say they can't be, my precious Rogue Trader hardbacks say they can.

Edit: otherwise, yes, what you said.

http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/d8/b5/comic,paper,rock,scissors,humor,stop,fighting-d8b596ddef4b8a1311165df5789f45aa_h.jpg

Rogue Trader rpg: Into the Storm pg 61 wrote:KAOS AN’ KURRUPSHUN

Orks in service to the Chaos Gods, or even succumbing to the corrupting influence of the Warp, are so rare as to be essentially
unheard of. Simply put, Orks aren’t easily tempted to Chaos and they’re far more resistant to the warping influence of Chaos
than humans, for reasons that nobody has been able to accurately define. Consequently, Orks don’t gain Corruption Points.

The race is resistant to Chaos due to their nature which is proven by their invasion of a daemon world without suffering the after-effects as described in the codexes.

Most of your sources are ancient and thus pointless seeing as Matt Ward who writes for a codex has retconned 10 years of fluff saying Grey Knights don't fight beside Daemonhosts. Thus old sources are still canon as long as they haven't been retconned by new sources which is FFG material and new codexes.

My PDFs, THEY DO NOTHING

TheAngrySquig wrote:My PDFs, THEY DO NOTHING

What? If you mean your link. I have to say I'm not fighting anyone or looking for a fight so calm down.

Anyway, if you read my little snippet. It clearly said "almost" which means Chaos corrupted Orks can exist, its just that they're no different from normal Orks in behavior which is kill everyone.

Lol I'm not actually that mad, my shift key just gets stuck sometimes and makes me look angry. Also it was a link to a PDF cause I'm dumb and can't figure out how to put in just the picture

English Assassin wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Why do you take the position that FFG fluff is non-canon? Are you one of those "all is non-canon except for the holy codexes"?

Fantasy Flight make assumptions and draw inferences from the studio's established material

Many FFG writers are also GW writers. Including rather famous ones.

Like Andy Hoare.


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English Assassin wrote:Other way around, FFG say they can't be, my precious Rogue Trader hardbacks say they can.

Rogue Trader is no longer purely canon It's like looking at a rough draft of the hobbit and claiming t hat this was the exact same world that Tolkien envisioned in the days before his death.

TheAngrySquig wrote:So then how do lascannons work? Is it like a Spartan laser from halo or is like a mini deathstar cannon

A Lascannon is what's known as a Pulse Laser; rather than a constant beam of fire, it just fires one burst that's absolutely packed with energy, which is why the Lascannon doesn't have the Lance rule.

Also, Lasguns would only Cauterize the wound they hit if they use Infrared light or something near that; if the light is, say, Ultraviolet, the las beam could simply slice straight through you.