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Cerebrium wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Best new villain award goes to Imotehk... dude is a larger than life evil akin to Horus without the tragic backstory, just friggin evil. Plus, he doesn't whine and moan, he just owns Space Marines really hard and punks pretty much any race that gets in his way.

Yeah until High Marshal Helbrecht come, then he run like a little girl crying out for help

Did you...read the rest of that story?

Tip: It really doesn't end well for Helbrecht.

I was talking about "Fall of the Conqueror", 55 years after Shrodinger VII. Were Helbrecht kicked his ass ( if fact, he didn't. Imotech run away as soon as BT bored his vessel. Coward )
Helbrecht destroyed Imotech's capital ship and all his vessels that coudn't escape BT fleet.


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Pilau Rice wrote:
Does it mention anything about the last of the Old Ones being Slain?

Hopefully the Dragon on Mars isn't a shard but the real deal. I see much possibility if this is the case, as this hasn't been retconned it makes sense still why the Necrons were trying to get to Mars.

Yes, codex say that "the Old Ones were defeated, scattered and finally destroyed." I assume that means that they were hunted to the last one.

There is nothing in new codex to suggest that all of the C'Tan was destroyed. Some of them maybe escaped the slaughter, but there is no data on that either. So if you still like Void Dragon on Mars story, you can because there is nothing to indicate that story in not valid.

Brother Coa wrote:
Yes, codex say that "the Old Ones were defeated, scattered and finally destroyed." I assume that means that they were hunted to the last one.

Yeah, they said that about the Iron Men and Thunder Warriors.

So the Necrons actually won the War in Heaven, what drove them into hibernation if it wasn't the Enslavers?

Pilau Rice wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:
Yes, codex say that "the Old Ones were defeated, scattered and finally destroyed." I assume that means that they were hunted to the last one.

Yeah, they said that about the Iron Men and Thunder Warriors.

So the Necrons actually won the War in Heaven, what drove them into hibernation if it wasn't the Enslavers?

You should read the new fluff if you haven't. It is amazing, but if you really must know it was 1 thing - the Eldar.

And of course in the new cron codex the crons own everybody. It's because that is their codex, how can you lose in your codex.

Brother Coa wrote:

And of course in the new cron codex the crons own everybody. It's because that is their codex, how can you lose in your codex.

Tyranids do

Pilau Rice wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

And of course in the new cron codex the crons own everybody. It's because that is their codex, how can you lose in your codex.

Tyranids do

Damn, was beaten to the punch.

Brother Coa wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:It's not even a contest anymore, they have a galaxy map that can make any star they desire go super nova.

This is one of the few things I don't like in new fluff ( this one in particular ). They gave them to much power, in fact they gave them so much power that it is pointless fighting against this particular dynasty. Tau a problem? Blow up 13 suns and problem solved. Tyranids a problem? Blow up 100 Stars and problem solved. Imperium a problem? Blow up 1.000.000+ suns and problem solved.
Good they add that this Dynasty is never going to use the machine and that they fight even Necrons to deny any access of it.

Actually it's made quite clear that doing that sort of thing would be really, really bad for the Necrons. The ones in control of it are fighting other 'crons to defend it precisely because they know blowing up any old star could have a cataclysmic chain effect. The ones who rule it know how to control the device properly, and if any other Necron got it they'd probably blow themselves up along with everything else.

Brother Coa wrote:
You should read the new fluff if you haven't. It is amazing, but if you really must know it was 1 thing - the Eldar.

I definitely intend to.

So wait, where were the Eldar during the War in Heaven, they were the major race fighting along with the Old Ones in the original story.

Ronin wrote:
Damn, was beaten to the punch.

Pilau Rice wrote:
I definitely intend to.

So wait, where were the Eldar during the War in Heaven, they were the major race fighting along with the Old Ones in the original story.

I wil lnot tell you anything so that I don't ruin your reading of a new codex.
But I can give you this LINK REMOVED BY THE ORDER OF INQUISITION. BUY ORIGINAL AND SUPPORT GW THAT WILL BRING YOU MORE FIGURINES

I can see why new players may like it, but for me it's not a patch on the original.

It's littered with contradictions and vagaries. In the context of the old background, none of it makes sense. There's little explanation as to how the Necrons constructed the uber-weapons that killed the C'tan (I would have gone with opening up black hole-esque warp storms to suck them into the Immaterium so they'd be obliterated completely) or how they managed to use them on the C'tan in the first place (arrogance is a poor reason). What did they do? "Oi Deceiver, come over here, we want you to pose for a portrait to go into Trazyn's gallery - won't take a moment...(bwahahaha)".

The fact that they want to re-conquer the galaxy and are willing to use the shards of the beings that accursed them (and saved them from near extinction it should be noted) in order to do it is just insane. The fact they want to continue the path that led to their eternal damnation in the first place is equally as baffling. Then there's the whole "Woe is us, we just want to be flesh again, we're so sorry" angle - they're just too human now, they're like any other living race, albeit with immortal bodies and immense weaponry. They're no longer implacable in will - only in body.

Now their motives can be whatever you want - might as well have left the pages blank so we could fill them in for ourselves

I'm all for creating background, but it has to have a firm foundation. What appeals to me about the 'Nids is the utter lack of human motive, the same was for the 'Crons, who were totally evil automatons under the command of an uncaring God's power.

What I liked about the original background is the tragedy of the Necrontyr and the utter inescapable, innevitability of death they meant for the other races. I liked the fact they were expressionless, soulless automatons whose eternal hatred manifested in them harvesting souls for their masters - not like the 'Nids who are just hungry.

Having said all this the Codex has its moments but for me they simply aren't Necrons anymore, more of a copy and paste, DIY, human-esque race of immortal machines who have a fetish for electricity and personal extravagence. Still, at least the rules and models are pretty good

Did you just post an illegal copy of a codex?

This won't end well.

Erm, dont we have rules against this sort of thing?



.. Yes. Yes we do.

Soladrin wrote:Did you just post an illegal copy of a codex?

This won't end well.

Avert your eyes!

Honestly Coa, I am going to read it anyway so you might as well just let me know and it might be a good idea to remove that link.

I'm not one to half inch a codex.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Avert your eyes!

Honestly Coa, I am going to read it anyway so you might as well just let me know and it might be a good idea to remove that link.

I'm not one to half inch a codex.

Ok if you want. Eldar somehow survived the war, and with Necrons weak from the war with the C'Tan the SIlen King feared the Eldar would destroy them all so ( to avenge the Old Ones ) he decided to put them all to sleep for 60 million years and wait until all Eldar die out ( he said that death comes to all flesh in the end ).


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And P.S. guys sorry for the link, I didn't know this was illegal.

Brother Coa wrote:
Ok if you want. Eldar somehow survived the war, and with Necrons weak from the war with the C'Tan the SIlen King feared the Eldar would destroy them all so ( to avenge the Old Ones ) he decided to put them all to sleep for 60 million years and wait until all Eldar die out ( he said that death comes to all flesh in the end ).

Sounds feasible I suppose. Not sure if I prefer it over the Enslaver plague as it kind of makes the Enslavers a bit bleh now.

I guess he might be a bit annoyed that there are two types of Eldar now if not as populace anymore

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Pilau Rice wrote:
Sounds feasible I suppose. Not sure if I prefer it over the Enslaver page as it kind of makes the Enslavers a bit bleh now.

I guess he might be a bit annoyed that there is two types of Eldar now if not as populace anymore

At least Eldar, Tyranids and Black Tempalrs are again bad-ass now

Brother Coa wrote:Tyranids and Black Tempalrs are again bad-ass now

Tyranids Bad ass, that's good to hear!

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:I thought most of the fluff sucked, honestly.

I won't blame a vet Cron player for not liking the change. It's your baby and they re-wrote it totally. But some of the stuff is epic win.

Like how new crons dethroned the Imperium for power in the 40K setting. It's not even a contest anymore, they have a galaxy map that can make any star they desire go super nova. That's too awesome! I also can dig the different dynasties and the more descriptive backstory they give as to why they turned to the C'Tan.


Mostly I just love reading about really bad Imperial forces getting pantsed hard. The new dex made me happy because it was paragraphs of IG, SMs and Imperial Navy just getting owned.

Then again, I'm a huge Tau fan, so liking the dex was a double edged sword, as it paints Tau as borderline autistic.

I think the new fluff gives the crons more color, rather than just being mindless robots.

Brother Coa wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Best new villain award goes to Imotehk... dude is a larger than life evil akin to Horus without the tragic backstory, just friggin evil. Plus, he doesn't whine and moan, he just owns Space Marines really hard and punks pretty much any race that gets in his way.

Yeah until High Marshal Helbrecht come, then he run like a little girl crying out for help

Did you...read the rest of that story?

Tip: It really doesn't end well for Helbrecht.

I was talking about "Fall of the Conqueror", 55 years after Shrodinger VII. Were Helbrecht kicked his ass ( if fact, he didn't. Imotech run away as soon as BT bored his vessel. Coward )
Helbrecht destroyed Imotech's capital ship and all his vessels that coudn't escape BT fleet.

Thing is though, Helbrecht had his chance to fight Imotehk and he got his ass kicked, his Imperium laughed at, his hand cut off, and a teabagging to his doom.

Then he rolls up fifty years later, boards a ship, whoops every ass he can on his way to the bridge, only to find it empty. Not sure why he would want to fight Imotehk again after he got his ass handed to him in a 1 v 1 so hard.

Necrons: 1
Black Templars: 0


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Pilau Rice wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:
Yes, codex say that "the Old Ones were defeated, scattered and finally destroyed." I assume that means that they were hunted to the last one.

Yeah, they said that about the Iron Men and Thunder Warriors.

So the Necrons actually won the War in Heaven, what drove them into hibernation if it wasn't the Enslavers?

Enslaver Plague is hinted at, but essentially the Necrons fighting alongside the C'Tan pretty much destroyed the Old Ones.

It would seem to be that the idea of the Old Ones creating most of the current 40K races (Krork) has been retconned too, now they just had allies, such as the Eldar. Pretty much fits with things I was saying on the board some time last year.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Thing is though, Helbrecht had his chance to fight Imotehk and he got his ass kicked, his Imperium laughed at, his hand cut off, and a teabagging to his doom.

Then he rolls up fifty years later, boards a ship, whoops every ass he can on his way to the bridge, only to find it empty. Not sure why he would want to fight Imotehk again after he got his ass handed to him in a 1 v 1 so hard.

Necrons: 1
Black Templars: 0

LOLWUT???

I will quote: " Pride complies Imotekh t ostand and fight, but his forces are in disarray and so logic wins out, dictating withdrawal. The Stormlord therefore teleports to an escort vessel and makes his escape. COWARD!!!!!!! BUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Helbrecht is incandescent with fury at his foe's retreat, but consoles himself by personally setting Imotech's beloved flagship on a collision course with nearby star, and blasting to smithereens those other Necron craft too slow to flee. BADASS!!!

Imotech is a coward and has no honor. To avoid his but kicking he run like a crying little girl and escape. Moreover, he left his flagship and his ships to be owned by Black Tempalrs who destroy them. I hope Guiliman, Eldar, Tau and Tyranids own his ass soon as it is written in the codex. And it is said in his personal page that he will be beat in combat by warrior, not a tactician.

I say:

Necrons: 1
BlackTemplars: 1

Yes, because retreating from a fight where you're outnumbered and outgunned is clearly cowardice.

Clearly not the work of tactical genius...

n0t_u wrote:Clearly not the work of tactical geniu....... CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

Never got to do that before...i feel good

Since when did Helbrecht read Necron, anyway?

You need to be able to fly a ship to be able to set its course anywhere. The screens etc would be in Necron

(unless he just used tugs to aim it , and then shove it ...)


Necrons have lost their muchness for me. Now they're just dull.

Remember the movie Independence Day? Plot seems to always kick logic in the face if it would fall down the stairs in a cool way.

Yeah.. all 3 seconds of it

The rest was just the special effects

Cerebrium wrote:Yes, because retreating from a fight where you're outnumbered and outgunned is clearly cowardice.

Speaking of that, wouldn't this be a case in favour of the theory that the Black Templars ignore the fact that they aren't allowed to have ships with comparable firepower to that of the Imperial Navy? I mean, they pretty much smoked that Necron fleet, and Necrons have the most powerful ships in the Galaxy (haven't seen anything retconing this).

Yeah, I have to say, in a Universe of emotional powers, the one cool army just consolidated and became just as boring. Yey.

warspawned wrote:I can see why new players may like it, but for me it's not a patch on the original.

It's littered with contradictions and vagaries. In the context of the old background, none of it makes sense. There's little explanation as to how the Necrons constructed the uber-weapons that killed the C'tan (I would have gone with opening up black hole-esque warp storms to suck them into the Immaterium so they'd be obliterated completely) or how they managed to use them on the C'tan in the first place (arrogance is a poor reason). What did they do? "Oi Deceiver, come over here, we want you to pose for a portrait to go into Trazyn's gallery - won't take a moment...(bwahahaha)".

The fact that they want to re-conquer the galaxy and are willing to use the shards of the beings that accursed them (and saved them from near extinction it should be noted) in order to do it is just insane. The fact they want to continue the path that led to their eternal damnation in the first place is equally as baffling. Then there's the whole "Woe is us, we just want to be flesh again, we're so sorry" angle - they're just too human now, they're like any other living race, albeit with immortal bodies and immense weaponry. They're no longer implacable in will - only in body.

Now their motives can be whatever you want - might as well have left the pages blank so we could fill them in for ourselves

I'm all for creating background, but it has to have a firm foundation. What appeals to me about the 'Nids is the utter lack of human motive, the same was for the 'Crons, who were totally evil automatons under the command of an uncaring God's power.

What I liked about the original background is the tragedy of the Necrontyr and the utter inescapable, innevitability of death they meant for the other races. I liked the fact they were expressionless, soulless automatons whose eternal hatred manifested in them harvesting souls for their masters - not like the 'Nids who are just hungry.

Having said all this the Codex has its moments but for me they simply aren't Necrons anymore, more of a copy and paste, DIY, human-esque race of immortal machines who have a fetish for electricity and personal extravagence. Still, at least the rules and models are pretty good

I'll start by saying the C'tan were not killed. Only 1 was ever mentioned of being obliterated, the rest merely split into thousands of shards.. Which could reunite to form a whole C'tan again if given the chance.

Next, it seemed implied to me that the Silent King was in control of pratically the whole race at this point by myself and regretted how he led his race to be devastated by the biotransference and pretty much enslaved to him/the C'tan. I don't consider that arrogance, more like revenge. He then cut his control over the other Necrons before going into self-imposed exile, which would then explain how we have the factions and many independant dynasties that we do rising up individually with their interests before the greater Empire as a whole.

Third, they are not nessicarily willing to use the shards except when in dire straits. There is to much risk in the shard's getting free or rebelling when used, even with the failsafes which could cause huge backlash for the Necrons if the shards reunited.

I think the desire for living bodies is a interesting angle, but it does not appeal to me. It keeps that horror aspect of "Soulless machines harvesting the galaxy" because that is exactly what they are doing in their quest for the perfect being to transfer into.

The Necrons are still soulless automatons, and anything but the Lords and Crypteks(Praetorians as well) are practically mindless hordes still(Though Lords in the old codex were mentioned of still having some emotion and personality anyways).

On leaving pages blank for ourselves. Might as well have done that with every other codex that has a bit of personality in it. You can do the same for Guard, Chaos Marines, Eldar/D. Eldar, Tau. What have you except Tyranids and maybe Daemons.

I think there are plenty of remnants of the old codex scattered around the new codex that the Necrons really have not changed as dramatically as people think. They are still soulless machines, still hordes of mindless automatons that are subjugated to a higher beings will(the Overlords). They still harvest other lifeforms, albeit for a different motivation. And they view the rest of the races as weakling upstarts that they want to control and dominate or as I mentioned, to be harvested.

I say...

Go ahead and blow up Terra.

Star Child anyone?