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After tearing through the fluff in an evening, I laughed hard at how new Necrons smash every race so hard.

Pretty obvious Matt Ward didn't write this fluff, nothing is his style and the super saiyan powers are kinda limited.

Best new villain award goes to Imotehk... dude is a larger than life evil akin to Horus without the tragic backstory, just friggin evil. Plus, he doesn't whine and moan, he just owns Space Marines really hard and punks pretty much any race that gets in his way.

Love the shift in perspective!

How about you guys? Anything in the new Cron dex make you happy pandas?

The necron lord who sent a message to an Inquisitor 'thanking' her for sending some Catchan regiments to add to his collection, but then complained that they were a bit troublesome.

Nungunz wrote:The necron lord who sent a message to an Inquisitor 'thanking' her for sending some Catchan regiments to add to his collection, but then complained that they were a bit troublesome.

Trazyn is my god damn hero. I loved that piece of fluff personally.

And yeah, Imotekh is badass evil. Trazyn's supreme arrogance just wins so hard.

I like the shift in perspective too.

The Necrons being nigh unstoppable makes them a larger than life evil force that 40K needed badly. Their strength is also on par for what it should be for an evil Xeno army.

Personal favorite was Imotehk beating the crap out of Helbrecht, telling him he sucked, his empire sucked and his troops sucked then cutting his hand off and kicking him off a cliff.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Personal favorite was Imotehk beating the crap out of Helbrecht, telling him he sucked, his empire sucked and his troops sucked then cutting his hand off and kicking him off a cliff.

Such win, that it cannot be measured on an internet scale.

I will leave you with this: http://blog.eloqua.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Success-kid2.jpg

Gotta read that bit with the cliff, haha.

I thought most of the fluff sucked, honestly.

Void__Dragon wrote:I thought most of the fluff sucked, honestly.

I won't blame a vet Cron player for not liking the change. It's your baby and they re-wrote it totally. But some of the stuff is epic win.

Like how new crons dethroned the Imperium for power in the 40K setting. It's not even a contest anymore, they have a galaxy map that can make any star they desire go super nova. That's too awesome! I also can dig the different dynasties and the more descriptive backstory they give as to why they turned to the C'Tan.


Mostly I just love reading about really bad Imperial forces getting pantsed hard. The new dex made me happy because it was paragraphs of IG, SMs and Imperial Navy just getting owned.

Then again, I'm a huge Tau fan, so liking the dex was a double edged sword, as it paints Tau as borderline autistic.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Like how new crons dethroned the Imperium for power in the 40K setting. It's not even a contest anymore, they have a galaxy map that can make any star they desire go super nova. That's too awesome! I also can dig the different dynasties and the more descriptive backstory they give as to why they turned to the C'Tan.

At least that is somewhat balanced by the fact that if they screw with it too much they'll either break the map or the galaxy or both.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:I won't blame a vet Cron player for not liking the change. It's your baby and they re-wrote it totally. But some of the stuff is epic win.

Like how new crons dethroned the Imperium for power in the 40K setting. It's not even a contest anymore, they have a galaxy map that can make any star they desire go super nova. That's too awesome! I also can dig the different dynasties and the more descriptive backstory they give as to why they turned to the C'Tan.


Mostly I just love reading about really bad Imperial forces getting pantsed hard. The new dex made me happy because it was paragraphs of IG, SMs and Imperial Navy just getting owned.

Then again, I'm a huge Tau fan, so liking the dex was a double edged sword, as it paints Tau as borderline autistic.

The Celestial Orrery? That's the most ridiculous thing in the codex. It means that at any given time, if all else fails, the Necrons need just press a button and all of the sudden Terra has been destroyed, enveloped by the sun going supernova. That's beyond ridiculous. I find it incredibly ironic as well, considering that most of the bitching concerning the Necrons when they were released is that they were seen as too powerful and unstoppable. Now they can destroy Terra with the press of a button. But that's not overpowered at all, lol...

I'm glad that the codex didn't have the Necrons taking it up the ass throughout the codex, I'll admit, though Imotekh telling his paltry CC abilities to stfu for a minute so he can kick Helbrecht's ass was kind of stupid (Though that may be the Black Templar fan in me coming to blows with the Necron fan lol). And I'll even say there are a few gems throughout the codex (For instance I like how the codex essentially said that the C'tan are as much an immutable part of reality as time and space, that part was cool).

But I feel that the Necrons themselves, in an effort to emphasize the distinction between the upper echelons of the Necrons, lost what made them Necrons. They don't come off as the alien, implacable of will xenos' who would sell their souls to satiate their inhuman hatred anymore. As far as I'm concerned, they're humans who just happen to be robots now, IMHO.

Oh yeah, and now they use the Webway, rather than having Inertialess Drives. That part just bothers me on a primal level. Apparently the Tyranids have better non-Warp FTL capabilities than Necrons now.

Also, what about the Tau? I can't recall anything really about them within the codex, short of a brief mention of Ka'mais.

Void__Dragon wrote:Oh yeah, and now they use the Webway, rather than having Inertialess Drives. That part just bothers me on a primal level. Apparently the Tyranids have better non-Warp FTL capabilities than Necrons now.

That's an interesting bit of fluff. Guess it aint Eldar anymore who prowl the webway. Webway Border Patrol skirmishes, anyone?

The Inertialess drives retcon really irked me...That's probably my biggest irk with the whole codex.

I think the necrons retained a lot of their cosmic horror-ness but lost a great deal as well...It's hard to tell when the 'dex is trying to talk about necron society within itself and necron society in relation to all the other races of 40k.

There's still episodes of them tossing screaming humans into furnaces to be rendered down into energy for their mass consumption though the emphasis was taken away from things like this which is another big failing of the 'dex IMO. They spiced it up with some examples but it got kind of muddled with all the individuality they tried to interject necron society with...

To the Orrery:

BrainDeleted wrote:At least that is somewhat balanced by the fact that if they screw with it too much they'll either break the map or the galaxy or both.

And also the Necrons that control it don't seem to be into the whole squelching stars for fun schtick

BrainDeleted wrote:The Inertialess drives retcon really irked me...That's probably my biggest irk with the whole codex.

I think the necrons retained a lot of their cosmic horror-ness but lost a great deal as well...It's hard to tell when the 'dex is trying to talk about necron society within itself and necron society in relation to all the other races of 40k.

There's still episodes of them tossing screaming humans into furnaces to be rendered down into energy for their mass consumption though the emphasis was taken away from things like this which is another big failing of the 'dex IMO. They spiced it up with some examples but it got kind of muddled with all the individuality they tried to interject necron society with...

Yeah, the Inertialess Drives being lost is all kinds of lame. Now they use Webway! Yay! No not yay, boo, boo on you guy who came up with that.

Eh. I can't see the cosmic horror, for the most part. It didn't even really emphasize that the Necrons are worried about the day the C'tan shards might one day come together to reform a C'tan to destroy them. It didn't read like Cosmic Horror at all to me.

I missed that third part entirely, somehow.

I guess I shouldn't say it all "sucked," some of it I guess can be considered all right if you look at it through sunglasses that aren't soured by butthurt, but I don't really like it.


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BrainDeleted wrote:To the Orrery:

BrainDeleted wrote:At least that is somewhat balanced by the fact that if they screw with it too much they'll either break the map or the galaxy or both.

And also the Necrons that control it don't seem to be into the whole squelching stars for fun schtick

True but the option is still very much there, and it is obviously used. If all else fails, I see no reason why they wouldn't decide to cripple their biggest threat when in dire straits. Which they can easily do.

Also, that World is constantly warring with a Dynasty (You can't imagine how much I hate that word) that is more proactive in its use.

Trayzn is just awesome. If you can right a snobby letter to an inquisitor, then you are awesome. I don't care how mediocre he is, I am playing him.

I think, if anything, the newcrons would never destroy the galaxy barring the destroyers who don't have enough power to gain control of said Orrery anyway. They have it ingrained in their circuits(???) to rule the galaxy again even if many of them are crazy crazies.

The furnace thing is under 'The Dissolution of Burr'

'The Hall of Swords' is another good one for some horror.

The more I read about them the more they become my favorite villains.

BrainDeleted wrote:I think, if anything, the newcrons would never destroy the galaxy barring the destroyers who don't have enough power to gain control of said Orrery anyway. They have it ingrained in their circuits(???) to rule the galaxy again even if many of them are crazy crazies.

The furnace thing is under 'The Dissolution of Burr'

'The Hall of Swords' is another good one for some horror.

Why would they need to destroy the galaxy, when they only need to destroy Terra to lay the Imperium low?

I may reread them later.

Codex: Necrons wrote:Such an act cannot be performed without consideration, however, as each star destroyed in this fashion upsets the fundamental forces of the galaxy, setting off a catastrophic chain reaction.

Just sayin'. Terra's plot armour is undoubtably thick enough that destroying it all wanton, willy nilly would take down a lot of other stuff with it. Unacceptable losses.




.........Better counterbalance than Kaldor.........

If the Necrons did destroy the sun the GK would probably do something like they did with Titan or the Emperor projects a sort of psychic bubble and protect it anyway.

Are the stars really destroyed or do they just supernova? As they already do that all the time.

I'm gonna go ahead and say destroyed

BrainDeleted wrote:

Codex: Necrons wrote:Such an act cannot be performed without consideration, however, as each star destroyed in this fashion upsets the fundamental forces of the galaxy, setting off a catastrophic chain reaction.

Just sayin'. Terra's plot armour is undoubtably thick enough that destroying it all wanton, willy nilly would take down a lot of other stuff with it. Unacceptable losses.




.........Better counterbalance than Kaldor.........

From a narrative perspective though, the Imperium can't hope to ever defeat the Necrons in the long-term. Logically, I mean. Terran plot armour is indeed incredibly thick, but... Plot armour isn't really a justification.

For that matter, somehow the Necrons can make any star in the galaxy go supernova with the press of a button, essentially projecting a massively FTL signal through space, and when it reaches its destination can produce enough energy to make the star supernova, yet they can't achieve FTL flight without hacking into the Webway?

Meh.

Oh, and Wraiths being changed into arachnid faced automotons rather than being Necrons proper is one of those annoying, unnecessary changes.

Reading through the codex, all the emphasis on honor, courage, and herorism that's prevelant in the Necron race has sicekened me. An occasional donkey-cave can't change what is clearly a sunnier depiction of the 'crons.

Also, I think they're much less of a threat to the Imperium then before. We always knew they had devastating superweapons. However they're just petty empires now, most aren't even concerned with humanity and some will trade/work/ally with it. Many fight and compete with each other. The days of a unified army of machines moving to harvest all life is over. As long as the Imperium shows enough honor a good number of Dynasties will go easy on it. Moreover even the largest Dynasty is just 80 worlds, not nearly enough to pose a major status quo-altering thread to the Imperium.

Rather, it seems the Necrons are more concerned with fighting against the Eldar, who are determined to wipe out these poor misunderstood machines.

A piece of nauseating fluff for me was the Necron Lord who captured a White Scars Khan then let him go when he tried to escape because he put up such a honorable fight. Or the one that gives Imperial worlds a month to evacuate because "the honor of battle dictates it". Then there's the Dynasty that's despised for going back on their word. Or the Dynasty that's disliked by Necrons for being too violent....

The Silent King, the biggest Necron of them all, is basically trying to save the galaxy from the Tyranids and refused to control the Necrons as machines because that would be mean. He's the Illidin (Warcraft 3) of 40k. He's a hero.

The list keeps going and going.

Harriticus wrote:Reading through the codex, all the emphasis on honor, courage, and herorism that's prevelant in the Necron race has sicekened me. An occasional donkey-cave can't change what is clearly a sunnier depiction of the 'crons.

Also, I think they're much less of a threat to the Imperium then before. We always knew they had devastating superweapons. However they're just petty empires now, most aren't even concerned with humanity and some will trade/work/ally with it. Many fight and compete with each other. The days of a unified army of machines moving to harvest all life is over. As long as the Imperium shows enough honor a good number of Dynasties will go easy on it. Moreover even the largest Dynasty is just 80 worlds, not nearly enough to pose a major status quo-altering thread to the Imperium.

Rather, it seems the Necrons are more concerned with fighting against the Eldar, who are determined to wipe out these poor misunderstood machines.

A piece of nauseating fluff for me was the Necron Lord who captured a White Scars Khan then let him go when he tried to escape because he put up such a honorable fight. Or the one that gives Imperial worlds a month to evacuate because "the honor of battle dictates it". Then there's the Dynasty that's despised for going back on their word. Or the Dynasty that's disliked by Necrons for being too violent....

The Silent King, the biggest Necron of them all, is basically trying to save the galaxy from the Tyranids and refused to control the Necrons as machines because that would be mean. He's the Illidin (Warcraft 3) of 40k. He's a hero.

The list keeps going and going.

Necrons? As heroes?

Hmm... Im really going to have to grab that codex and have a read. I mean, what on earth? Next thing you know the Tau Empire will develop mass xenophobia and turn on all their auxiliary allies.

Harriticus wrote:Reading through the codex, all the emphasis on honor, courage, and herorism that's prevelant in the Necron race has sicekened me. An occasional donkey-cave can't change what is clearly a sunnier depiction of the 'crons.

Also, I think they're much less of a threat to the Imperium then before. We always knew they had devastating superweapons. However they're just petty empires now, most aren't even concerned with humanity and some will trade/work/ally with it. Many fight and compete with each other. The days of a unified army of machines moving to harvest all life is over. As long as the Imperium shows enough honor a good number of Dynasties will go easy on it. Moreover even the largest Dynasty is just 80 worlds, not nearly enough to pose a major status quo-altering thread to the Imperium.

Rather, it seems the Necrons are more concerned with fighting against the Eldar, who are determined to wipe out these poor misunderstood machines.

A piece of nauseating fluff for me was the Necron Lord who captured a White Scars Khan then let him go when he tried to escape because he put up such a honorable fight. Or the one that gives Imperial worlds a month to evacuate because "the honor of battle dictates it". Then there's the Dynasty that's despised for going back on their word. Or the Dynasty that's disliked by Necrons for being too violent....

The Silent King, the biggest Necron of them all, is basically trying to save the galaxy from the Tyranids and refused to control the Necrons as machines because that would be mean. He's the Illidin (Warcraft 3) of 40k. He's a hero.

The list keeps going and going.

Uuhhh.

The Lord that Captured one of the Khans also happens to be the Lord who thinks he's still fighting Necrontyr in the wars of succession so that makes perfect sense that he'd let someone go for the above reasons. He thinks the marine is a Necrontyr warrior.

Why would an Overload want to waste his time and warriors killing Imperials if it is possible that they would surrender? This is the Lord described as dangerously low on troops because of his galactic travels to waken other Necrons. He wanted only to reach the tomb world beneath them. As for trading/allying/working with the Imperials...Hm...I see an example of demands of tithes from subjugated human worlds and I see a few examples of "allying" with Imperials when a greater mutual threat presents itself. If anything, they're just a little less mindless, destroy-all about their conquering of the galaxy. Gross over exaggeration.

The Dynasty that's disliked because it's "too violent" is made up of flayed ones who try to consume flesh though it does nothing for them, wear skins and other grisly trophies because they're completely insane, ect, ect. It's not even just this that makes other Necrons wary of them...It's the fact that their horrible insanity is contagious...Oh, and it is a terrible curse afflicted upon their kind by a C'Tan. Yup, totally want to integrate that Dynasty into the greater Necron Empire. Totally not a good idea to destroy/avoid them. They're Necron too, after all.

The Dynasty mistrusted for going back on its word.......Well, this should just be pretty darn self evident.

The Silent King doesn't want to save the Galaxy for heroic reasons. He wants to stop the Tyranids for the same reason Chaos and the DE want to stop the Tyranids: THEY DESTROY EVERYTHING. What's the point in dominating a galaxy full of burnt out husk planets? There isn't one.

As for their overall threat level, they're still as they've always been. A half realized but inevitable and extremely potent threat. The fact that the largest Dynasty has ~80 (Where did you get this number?) worlds reflects that they're still not all awake and sleepy time continues.


Seriously, please don't degenerate into mindless hate, thread. Please.

Nungunz wrote:The necron lord who sent a message to an Inquisitor 'thanking' her for sending some Catchan regiments to add to his collection, but then complained that they were a bit troublesome.

This would be much better for Dark Eldar than Necrons...

I haven't had the chance to have a peek through it yet but would you be so kind as to answer a couple of questions please?

I am hoping that they haven't changed these aspects of the fluff.

Did the War in Heaven and Enslaver Plague still happen and did the Necrons still land on Mars?

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Best new villain award goes to Imotehk... dude is a larger than life evil akin to Horus without the tragic backstory, just friggin evil. Plus, he doesn't whine and moan, he just owns Space Marines really hard and punks pretty much any race that gets in his way.

Yeah until High Marshal Helbrecht come, then he run like a little girl crying out for help


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BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Pretty obvious Matt Ward didn't write this fluff, nothing is his style and the super saiyan powers are kinda limited.

I thought that to, it seems they ban him from writing the fluff and give him only rules to write ( just like Sisters mini codex update ).
About damn time to...


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Pilau Rice wrote:
Did the War in Heaven and Enslaver Plague still happen and did the Necrons still land on Mars?

War in the Haven happened but not the Enslaver Plague.
After the War in Haven was finished ( right after the Old Ones destruction ) the Silent King turned entire Necron race against the C'Tan, destroyed them and then send his entire people to sleep.
There is no mention whatsoever about Void Dragon or Necron Landing on Mars. But since every dynasty has it's story we can assume that landing did happened, but now with maybe different purpose, like maybe trying to steal some ancient tech from the Mechanicus or something else...

Brother Coa wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Best new villain award goes to Imotehk... dude is a larger than life evil akin to Horus without the tragic backstory, just friggin evil. Plus, he doesn't whine and moan, he just owns Space Marines really hard and punks pretty much any race that gets in his way.

Yeah until High Marshal Helbrecht come, then he run like a little girl crying out for help

Did you...read the rest of that story?

Tip: It really doesn't end well for Helbrecht.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:It's not even a contest anymore, they have a galaxy map that can make any star they desire go super nova.

This is one of the few things I don't like in new fluff ( this one in particular ). They gave them to much power, in fact they gave them so much power that it is pointless fighting against this particular dynasty. Tau a problem? Blow up 13 suns and problem solved. Tyranids a problem? Blow up 100 Stars and problem solved. Imperium a problem? Blow up 1.000.000+ suns and problem solved.
Good they add that this Dynasty is never going to use the machine and that they fight even Necrons to deny any access of it.

Brother Coa wrote:
War in the Haven happened but not the Enslaver Plague.

Oh Well I guess it fits in with the C'tan being all split up and all.

Brother Coa wrote:After the War in Haven was finished ( right after the Old Ones destruction ) the Silent King turned entire Necron race against the C'Tan, destroyed them and then send his entire people to sleep.
There is no mention whatsoever about Void Dragon or Necron Landing on Mars. But since every dynasty has it's story we can assume that landing did happened, but now with maybe different purpose, like maybe trying to steal some ancient tech from the Mechanicus or something else...

Does it mention anything about the last of the Old Ones being Slain?

Hopefully the Dragon on Mars isn't a shard but the real deal. I see much possibility if this is the case, as this hasn't been retconned it makes sense still why the Necrons were trying to get to Mars.