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Fair enough it has been seen before. But it is still a characterful model is it not? It has a good face expression, and check the alternative.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440201a&prodId=prod1170219

Fair enough it is less cliched, but at least it is not a character sucked zombie face. Unless I suppose you like the zombie face.

H.B.M.C. wrote:AoW stuff is usually quite good. This is... uninspired is about the best word I can use for it. I'd prefer something a little less blobby and a little more starved and wiry.

Aerethan wrote:When did I say I spend "a lot" of money?

You didn't, but Locky still thinks that everyone who 'hates' GW also continues to spend heaps and heaps of money on them. It's a very large (and single-colour) brush that he likes to paint us with. Luckily the paint itself comes off easily when you wash it with a little logic.

Well. You got two types of kids that hate GW.

First type is the kind that quit Warhammer and don't matter because they're no longer part of the hobby.

The second are the hypocrites that hate GW but still spend money on them. The abused spouses of the hobby if you will. They don't matter much either. If you give money to GW, you approve of their business model, no matter how mch you cry about it on the internet.

Worglock wrote:
Well. You got two types of kids that hate GW.

First type is the kind that quit Warhammer and don't matter because they're no longer part of the hobby.

The second are the hypocrites that hate GW but still spend money on them. The abused spouses of the hobby if you will. They don't matter much either. If you give money to GW, you approve of their business model, no matter how mch you cry about it on the internet.

We will see how much we don't matter when GW's sales report comes out and GW decides to rise prices yet again because their sales have fallen yet again...

Worglock wrote:Well. You got two types of kids that hate GW.

How comically binary.

Does GW produce a Herald of Nurgle?

No


Is there therefore a need for a Herald of Nurgle?

Yes

Even if there was a Herald of Nurgle from GW, is it likely that it would be a finecast monopose model and that a second model, to represent a second HQ of the same type would be welcomed?

Yes

Is the AoW selection a good range of alternative models that suit not only GW's range in a 'HQ' capacity, but also a great range of Adventurers and monsters for dungeon based tabletop games?

Yes


Now, Worglock...

hush yer mouth

Aerethan wrote:Nurgle is always an excuse for bad models. Sadly this is in that category. Which is a shame as I love every other AoW model out there.

Sadly, I agree. Nurgle (and no one can seriously argue this non-GW model is a Nurgle model) is such a fascinating concept but the stuff rarely looks cool. I think FW has come the closest, with the Death Guard Dredd and Tamurkhan's toad dragon.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Just to digress back on topic, I think that's a crap miniature. It's blobby, uninspired, insipid and utterly void of merit. Technically adequate, but utterly without soul or originality. Banal and overwrought to the point of nausea.

What the heck?

Did you just start picking words randomly from a thesaurus?

Verbose or not, Ag2 hits the nail on the head.

Manchu wrote:

Aerethan wrote:Nurgle is always an excuse for bad models. Sadly this is in that category. Which is a shame as I love every other AoW model out there.

Sadly, I agree. Nurgle (and no one can seriously argue this non-GW model is a Nurgle model) is such a fascinating concept but the stuff rarely looks cool. I think FW has come the closest, with the Death Guard Dredd and Tamurkhan's toad dragon.

Well, it does fit with the GW range, it's better sculpted than the metal GW plaguebearers by far. Whilst it's not dazzlingly original, it makes a great bridge between the plaguebearer and the GUO, so, in it's potential as a herald of Nurgle, it's working well. It also has some very nice sculpting, the claw, toes and wormlike mouth all stand out to me as well done.

I think if you want fugly nurgle, you should also look at Forgewold's toads and nurgle trolls, ogres and ogryns (the heavily mutated ones, not the cool gasmask ones) which are all fairly lazy sculpts.

And this is not a cheerleading session for AoW, I have a dislike of the (khorne?) demon herald and find the (slaaneshi) champion with the snake tail falls somewhat short of the original artwork.

MightyGodzilla wrote:It's good for what it is. But when I see it I think Nurgle, that being said it falls short. How about a pestilence figure who's not all bloated, but otherwise pestilency....because let's face it the "Great Unclean One" has been done to death by many companies for years and years.

We don't have a mini GUO. That's why this fig rocks imo. But I agree, a more thin and wraith like 'white walker' ish pestilence fig would be cool as well.

WOW man, you guys descended the thread into a GW law and order discussion!!! Again o.O

Well, i can not do one like that by myself... and it look like fun to scrudge over with a bad paint job (well, that is how i call painting ), so, the mini is ok for me... But i dont need one, so i will not buy.

Falling into that discussion of haterz vs loverz, sry guys, GW do a lot of bad things, but it still do one perfect thing, and that is miniatures. That is why i restarted to buy their products, because i like Dark Eldars more than i dislike GW (maybe it have something to do with the fact that i dont have to do with GW employers directly).

And sry you loverz, but GW is not a original company, half of Dark Eldar "new fluff" and visual identity is a copy of privateer press cryx + 90ths punk-rock sub culture + hellraiser... I love them for that, but that is the true.

GW copy like any other company, the only exception ehre is that they are a BIG company, so they can copy more without being bothered so much...

Pen≥Sword wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Just to digress back on topic, I think that's a crap miniature. It's blobby, uninspired, insipid and utterly void of merit. Technically adequate, but utterly without soul or originality. Banal and overwrought to the point of nausea.

What the heck?

Did you just start picking words randomly from a thesaurus?

Verily, I offer my most frabjous contrafibularities due to this turgid and lamentable happenstance. Rest assured that I will expend the utmost verisimilitude of punctiliousness to avoid a similar fracas from reoccuring in the near future and further sublimating our enjoyable repartee wherein many a quaint and curious factoid of the foremost abject illuminatitude were ruminated upon by the present multitudinous assemblage of personages which we all too often take for granted.

That was me picking words at random. The post you quoted is completely legible to anyone willing to put in the barest rudiments of effort.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Does GW produce a Herald of Nurgle?

No


Is there therefore a need for a Herald of Nurgle?

Yes

Even if there was a Herald of Nurgle from GW, is it likely that it would be a finecast monopose model and that a second model, to represent a second HQ of the same type would be welcomed?

Yes

Is the AoW selection a good range of alternative models that suit not only GW's range in a 'HQ' capacity, but also a great range of Adventurers and monsters for dungeon based tabletop games?

Yes


Now, Worglock...

hush yer mouth

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500024a&prodId=prod1690011

http://solegends.com/citcat912/c20266rcchnurgle.htm I have about 3 of each of these guys.

so....

hush yer mouth

Herald is a Daemon.
Those are merely mortal men with nurglic oddities.

Worglock wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Does GW produce a Herald of Nurgle?

No


Is there therefore a need for a Herald of Nurgle?

Yes

Even if there was a Herald of Nurgle from GW, is it likely that it would be a finecast monopose model and that a second model, to represent a second HQ of the same type would be welcomed?

Yes

Is the AoW selection a good range of alternative models that suit not only GW's range in a 'HQ' capacity, but also a great range of Adventurers and monsters for dungeon based tabletop games?

Yes


Now, Worglock...

hush yer mouth

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500024a&prodId=prod1690011

http://solegends.com/citcat912/c20266rcchnurgle.htm I have about 3 of each of these guys.

so....

hush yer mouth

Those are mortal champions.


They are also less aesthetically fitting than that AoW model...

What is your point, other than yet more GW fanboi trolling?

But what non GW thread would be complete without GW white knights?

A white knight would be rushing to defend against flames towards GW, a bloody troll initiates trolling derailment disguised as 'defending' GW when no attack even existed.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Worglock wrote:Well. You got two types of kids that hate GW.

How comically binary.

I just think it's funny to watch a guy explain to me why I "don't matter", as if his opinion does matter, when he's on the same level as the rest of us "haters/abused spouses" and just doesn't realize it.

Fanboy, hater, it doesn't matter, if you're not a newcomer to the hobby buying an $800 army to start with they couldn't care less about you or whatever little money you're continuing to give them after that first big purchase. GW doesn't care if you're still buying kits and playing the game, hell they probably wouldn't even notice if you quit buying altogether and moved on, even if you did buy a 2000 point army every three or four months, because they don't plan for people to be in the hobby for more than a year anyway.

That and I can't honestly take gak like this seriously. On the internet, a "hater" is anyone with a single negative thing to say about anything, and criticism is "bad". And people who continue to hold that negative opinion about something are "trolls" because they don't agree with the self-proclaimed silent majority that love every kit GW does and love how they're being treated, who also seemingly ignore the fact that GW financial reports aren't looking so good year after year, focusing on the one or two good while ignoring the fact that sales keep going down and they're more concerned with paying dividends than reinvesting in the company. I wonder how much better the WHF monster kits would look right now if they'd stop padding Kirby's retirement fund and focus more on good fething sculpts.

Personally I think being the type that offers nothing but blind praise to GW makes you not only less important than us "haters", but detrimental to GW and the hobby as a whole. Instead of encouraging GW to raise the bar and put out better-looking kits, you're telling them all of their crap that obviously had the bare minimum put into it is perfectly acceptable. "Why bother improving quality and spend more money when the fething nerds will buy it anyway?" I don't want more garbage like the ghorgon or black dragon, personally, I want kits that actually look good. I want more of the razorwing, a kit I didn't really give a gak about because the ravager was good enough for me, but when it came out I said "Holy gak!" and resolved to buy three of them just because it was so awesome. Their big monsters are perfect for that kinda thing, I don't even have to play the army to buy a dragon because it's a fething dragon, it's cool enough just to have one. But their version looks like crap and they're obviously not interested in doing any better than that judging from the releases following, so...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:GW do a lot of bad things, but it still do one perfect thing, and that is miniatures.

Have to disagree with you there, actually. I bought a lot of Dark Eldar, too, but GW miniatures are far from "perfect" and I personally think they're putting out a disturbing number of ugly kits that no one in their right mind should want to buy. Kits that I was actually excited for, by the way, excitement that was instantly killed when I saw the finished models (black dragon, manticore). If GW wants to put so much attention on big monsters for WHF then they need to spend a little more time sculpting them and making them worth the $50-60 you're supposed to pay for them.

Worglock could be Matt Ward?

As for my "on-topic" post since I got a little caught up in the "lol haters" stuff...I don't really like the AoW herald. I think it's the face, mainly.

adhuin wrote:Herald is a Daemon.
Those are merely mortal men with nurglic oddities.

There's this thing, a rule, what's it called?

oh yeah. "Counts as"


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MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Worglock wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Does GW produce a Herald of Nurgle?

No


Is there therefore a need for a Herald of Nurgle?

Yes

Even if there was a Herald of Nurgle from GW, is it likely that it would be a finecast monopose model and that a second model, to represent a second HQ of the same type would be welcomed?

Yes

Is the AoW selection a good range of alternative models that suit not only GW's range in a 'HQ' capacity, but also a great range of Adventurers and monsters for dungeon based tabletop games?

Yes


Now, Worglock...

hush yer mouth

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500024a&prodId=prod1690011

http://solegends.com/citcat912/c20266rcchnurgle.htm I have about 3 of each of these guys.

so....

hush yer mouth

Those are mortal champions.


They are also less aesthetically fitting than that AoW model...

What is your point, other than yet more GW fanboi trolling?

For someone that hates GW as much as you claim to, you sure do cling to one of their most outdated and ignored "rules".

I'd say that your particular pathos is unique and amusing, but there's a whole forum full of you.

"Counts As" is fine. The Realm of Chaos Champions are fine. AoW "Not Nurgle" is not only "Not Original" it's "Not That Good."


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LunaHound wrote:Worglock could be Matt Ward?

I'll take that as a compliment.

Worglock wrote:
For someone that hates GW as much as you claim to, you sure do cling to one of their most outdated and ignored "rules".

When did I say that?
I do not 'hate' GW, I have loved the games and miniatures for over 25 years. Stop making idiot assumptions.

Worglock wrote:
I'd say that your particular pathos is unique and amusing, but there's a whole forum full of you.

Find or found another forum more suited to defending GW in all it's behaviors, even when it's not being attacked, like in this thread. You've basically shown up a couple of months ago and started picking fights and spouting your attacks on anyone and everyone here. If you don't like being here, leave the forum.

Worglock wrote:
"Counts As" is fine. The Realm of Chaos Champions are fine. AoW "Not Nurgle" is not only "Not Original" it's "Not That Good."

How do you survive on a day to day basis living under the assumption your opinion is so worthwhile? Get over yourself. (and again, do it somewhere else)

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LunaHound wrote:Worglock could be Matt Ward?

I'll take that as a compliment.

I would imagine Matt Ward would be highly insulted however.

My opinion is as worthwhile as everyone elses here. ie: not much.

The difference is that I don't need to spew hate and bile all over a forum to feel better about myself or my choice of hobbies.

Please point out, in the forum rules, *exactly* where it says that posters have to agree with every bit of hate that gets spewed at Games Workshop or leave the forum.

Go on, I'll wait.

Worglock wrote:My opinion is as worthwhile as everyone elses here. ie: not much.

So, again, why post here? Bringing one more useless opinion among lots of other useless opinions? That's pointless.

Worglock wrote:
The difference is that I don't need to spew hate and bile all over a forum to feel better about myself or my choice of hobbies.

But you do spew hate and bile all over this forum, ever since you appeared a couple of months ago. This thread had absolutely no GW 'hate' (or 'criticism' as we grownups like to call it) until you posted about GW 'haters', go back and read through it, you generated the conflict, you dropped into this thread and initiated hostility. You are the self fulfilling prophecy...

Worglock wrote:
Please point out, in the forum rules, *exactly* where it says that posters have to agree with every bit of hate that gets spewed at Games Workshop or leave the forum.

Differing opinions make the world go round, you however, see enemies where there aren't any, you are the one bringing conflict. You do not put forward a point of view, you initiate hostilities, you throw the first punch then cry out about 'haters', take a look at this thread, it's about an independent company's miniature, you started kicking up about it being a copy and raining piss on it.

Worglock wrote:
Go on, I'll wait.

There are specific rules about trolling. You are trolling. AGAIN, if you think this forum is chock full of 'haters', go find a forum you find more 'GW loyal' or whatever. What point is there in you constantly appearing in threads to start this crap up.

The power is within you to make the adult decision to walk away from this site if it causes you such distress.

Worglock's first post ITT was responding to someone else saying you're not supposed to think Nurgle when you look at this miniature -- and that's a silly thing to say. This miniature only exists because of GW IP.

perhaps warhammer.org.uk is more suited to those who think GW is all the rage.

That model looks pretty cool, may have to get one for my CSM

All this arguing is just pointless, I think AoW did a splendid job on this mini, be it a child of Nurgle, a plague ridden daemon or even some fat zombie with horrific mutations...and a baby daemon hanging out of its ass


Peanut butter.

That is all.

Manchu wrote:Worglock's first post ITT was responding to someone else saying you're not supposed to think Nurgle when you look at this miniature -- and that's a silly thing to say.

Which, of course, excuses all the other arrogant nonsense he's posted since then, right Manchu?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Manchu wrote:Worglock's first post ITT was responding to someone else saying you're not supposed to think Nurgle when you look at this miniature -- and that's a silly thing to say.

Which, of course, excuses all the other arrogant nonsense he's posted since then, right Manchu?

Fortunately for more posters than Worglock, arrogant nonsense isn't itself against the rules. Saying a GW miniature is gak (or even saying they're all gak) doesn't mean you have no place on Dakka. Saying the same about companies exploiting the market created and sustained by GW doesn't mean you have no place on Dakka, either.