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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:I dont like the extreme anime/mecha look. A buddy converted a gundum head on oneband no one noticed for a while. And how every tau player harks on about how good the tau are, when really they are grey at best. They just have the best PR
A Gundam head? Seriously?
Good PR is no excuse to irritate everyone on the boards with how "None can stand against the Greater Good!"
Space Marines: "Really? Well you can't stand against my chainsword."
Imperial Guard: "Is that so now? Then how about you try and stand against lots and lots of tanks."
Chaos: "The Dark Pantheon says otherwise."
Eldar: "Naive fools. You have yet to comprehend or even see the darkness and horror between the stars."
Orks: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHHH!"
What can I say? I like to roleplay. And the part of the crazy, ranting lunatic bent on galactic domination is a favorite role of mine - it's INSANELY fun - which is probably a decent chunk of why I enjoy Sisters of Battle so much. ^_^
Huh?
Err... How to explain in response to such a general inquiry - I always have trouble with generalized inquiries into what I said, because I often end up explaining the wrong part and often just don't know what needs an explanation and what was understood...
Several of the things said in this thread recently kinda apply to me, so I took them kinda personally.
Many of my posts - well, some of them, anyways - involve some minor roleplaying, to the point where to the outside, uninformed observer, it might look like I actually think I'm part of the Sisters of Battle.
For example, in an earlier post sometime recently, I made mention to "The Sisters of the Flame consider this a most excellent form of Heresy," or something like that, in response to a really funny - but heretical - thread in this forum.
In reality, I am roleplaying, as I often do over MSN with a friend of mine who shares an interest in WH40k. (Our roleplays together are largely how the custom fluff for my Sisters of the Flame developed from a mere nifty paint scheme, to what it is now. Even the name has changed radically, as the original name just sounded weird to say and even to think.)
To roleplay is to adopt the persona of a character - in this case fictional - which is not actually myself, and to mimic actions and speech that that character would do and say. In this case, these actions and speech take the form of text. (Often I choose to roleplay a character close in personality and speech mannerisms close to myself, to make the roleplaying process feel more natural, but I do of course add the character's abilities - such as combat skills or magical powers - and personality traits - such as a Sister of Battle's fanatical worship of the God-Emperor and inclination to purge all heretics and to a lesser extent heathens such as Orks, or Pouncey's love of playing practical jokes on her Master and extreme jealousy of her Master's other partners.)
It is very similar to acting, except that the intent is to enjoy oneself rather than create a work of art. (the two are not mutually exclusive, I'll admit, so I'll add that there is often no money involved in doing a roleplay, unlike a TV show or movie, where the actors are - often but not always - being paid to do it)
If you have heard of LARP, it is essentially that, but without the live action. (LARP stands for Live Action Role Play if you didn't know.)
I think I understand. In other words, you're putting yourself in a role inside the fiction, right? I do that to, as a Blood Raven or a Crusade-era Thousand Son. That's whyI can think like an Imperial to the point that others have commented I'm from the Imperium, sent across time and space.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Personally I can see that there are some very valid reasons why people hate tau, but at least I try and make my force as grim ark as they can be. Heck. The back story for my caste is riddled with lots of dirty dealing and such. If there is something you don't like about a forces fluff, you can create your own minority group to do what you want them too.
My force has been the good guys working with many a race on different occasions, but on others, they don't even hesitate (or ask if they want the club premium) to burn planets to the ground looking for the resources they need for the empire to continue its warpath.
Edit: I dont really roleplay on discussion forums... I keep it to the survivor game & chain fiction section or keep it real.
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Grey Templar wrote:We arn't saying the Tau need to get axed.
They just need to be Grimdarkified.
A couple possabilities here.
Possability 1: The fluff goes into more detail about how the Etherial's are controlling the Tau with Pheremones, possably from a Kroot's point of view(he can tell whats happening) and otherwise they stay the same. This shows that the greater good is really just a sham the Etherials are putting on to gain the cooperation of different species in their goal of Galactic domination.
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Pretty much this for me. They are too perfect right now. I would like it if they were just a LITTLE bit more grimdark. Even something as simple as Dark Crusade did (they welcomed the humans into their population but sterilized many of them or simply made it inconvient to breed causing a massive decline in population size) would work in my eyes. Im not ssaying they should be butchering humans 24/7 but something would be nice.
Grey Templar wrote:We arn't saying the Tau need to get axed.
They just need to be Grimdarkified.
A couple possabilities here.
Possability 1: The fluff goes into more detail about how the Etherial's are controlling the Tau with Pheremones, possably from a Kroot's point of view(he can tell whats happening) and otherwise they stay the same. This shows that the greater good is really just a sham the Etherials are putting on to gain the cooperation of different species in their goal of Galactic domination.
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Pretty much this for me. They are too perfect right now. I would like it if they were just a LITTLE bit more grimdark. Even something as simple as Dark Crusade did (they welcomed the humans into their population but sterilized many of them or simply made it inconvient to breed causing a massive decline in population size) would work in my eyes. Im not ssaying they should be butchering humans 24/7 but something would be nice.
I know it's different strokes for different folks, but I actually like their more cheerful demeanor. It's a big part of why I started up a Tau force in the first place - though it's also one of my smaller forces and never sees the table anymore.
But, if GW makes them more grim-dark, I'll at least still have the custom fluff for my Sisters of Battle.
Milisim wrote:So there is a tiny little beacon of light on the Eastern Fringes that dont want to mame, burn, kill, pillage and rape everybody??
Thats a reason to hate Tau? Because they dont treat people like dog shyte and eradicate planets on whims of egotistical meglomaniacs?
Better not like those guys!
This is the reason Tau get bashed. Unlike the fans of other factions, you guys take every chance to say that you're better instead seeing that the Tau are just a frontier threat to the Imperium, and that other factions see younas nothing more than an irritant.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Almarine wrote:
It's basically inspired by anime though. It's an obvious attempt at marketing 40k to sinophiles.
i dislike this kind of attitude that some people have, that the tau are somehow not worthy because GW designed them with a certain theme. And i would argue that they are no more designed to appeal to sinophiles than Space Wolves are designed to appeal to norweigans and danes...
I'm on the fence about this kind of attitude that some people have, that an attitude towards tau is somehow not worthy because it's based on the fact that GW designed them with a certain theme in mind.
Not really what I meant anyway. Space wolves appeal to viking-enthusiasts of all nationalities and that's not the same because vikings are kind of cool.
Milisim wrote:No actually there is a difference here.....
I never said Tau were better... I just said Tau weren't Aholes....
There is a difference between that....
Not being an AHole doesnt make you a pussy or bunny loving hippies.....
Basically you are saying if society is normal then your a pussy.
And if I walk down the street and randomly punch someone in the face and kick them to death when they are down..... Thats cool?
Perhaps 40k players are somewhat off centre? =]
No. Actually, you're still implying that Tau are better since their value system is normal by 21st Century standards. Thing is, that value system is worthless in 40k. The bureaucratic system holding the Imperium together is cumbersome as it is; how much more so if the Imperium was a democracy? How much easier would Chaos spread if the Imperium tolerated freedom of religion and free speech? How would it even stay together? And why bother applying it to non-Imperials? Orks are biologically incapable of a peaceful life. Necrons, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids are unreasonable. Chaos by it's nature is chaotic, which applies to all it's followers, daemonic or not. The Eldar may think like Humans, so they only act like Humans in similar situations. 40k factions are the way they are simply because they have to be that way. The Tau just haven't faced what the Imperium and the Eldar have faced long ago, and in order to survive had to throw away everything that could compromise their existence.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
I think making the Tau grimdark would pretty much ruin them. Their relative goodness and naivety is what makes them unique and interesting. As is they provide a good foil to the other races. I bet people wouldn't mind them if they were simply fleshed out. If they remained good guys but we had details on Tau society I think people would like them quite a bit more. It would be pretty boring if every single race was as awful as the next.
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"Order. Unity. Obedience. We taught the galaxy these things, and we shall do so again."
"They are not your worst nightmare; they are your every nightmare."
"Let the galaxy burn!"
Almarine wrote:
Not really what I meant anyway. Space wolves appeal to viking-enthusiasts of all nationalities and that's not the same because vikings are kind of cool.
how is it "not the same". its called "running with a theme". A viking theme is fine. So is anime-esque aesthetics. the themes, look, and fluff for every race are designed to interest, excite, and draw people in. For some its the mongol theme of white scars. For others its the kooky, orky theme of orks. for others, its the clean, sci fi tech-focused look and feel of the tau. or the space chickens. its all the same, despite the themes being different, and appealing to different people.
but the notion that has been bandied around on the web that the tau were designed to appeal to the japanese, and japanophiles? Well, i consider that attitude infantile and moronic. As i commented: its like saying space wolves were designed to appeal to norweigans and danes.
Personally, I hate them because of the fact that, of all the races, they have the largest likelihood of having a random fanboi pop up in an unrelated thread trumpeting the virtues of how amazing the Tau are in every facet of every last thing they do.
Sometimes the fanboi will actually talk like he is a PART of the Tau Empire, as if it exists physically somewhere.
It's disconcerting, and I'm unable to divorce the disturbed feeling I have over this with the army itself. It's probably my problem more than it is the army's, but what can I say? This guy here? Only human.
This.
Kroothawk wrote:It is basically that the race was designed as the non-grimdark mirror to the mainly grimdark 40k universe. Some people find that you shouldn't have anything not-grimdark in the 40k universe and state that in every single tau thread they find, whatever the specific topic. On Dakka it is mostly 2-3 people dedicated to this anti-Tau-crusade, trolling all people who actually like the race, often with obviously made up evidence, when genuine sources won't suffice (that's why they never give sources).
Made up is mostly the so called evidence in the Taus favor, as its based on fanwank, almost never quotes any GW codex and is part of the usual socially awkward attempt to nullify any unwelcome posts in a worldwide open forum. The course is set, when one race is designed as open minded and supported in the most ignorant way possible. GW didn't flesh them out as much as more established parts of 40k yet.
Still, GW publications aren't "wrong" and fillers created out of fanwank aren't "the only acceptable imagination of Tau".
Thus, wherever other factions just move along, in Tau threads a different view is declared 'hate', wherever other factions just state "they have..." you will see in Tau threads " we have this and ours is better than yours". Plus, pics from questionable sources don't count as proof.
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Boggy79 wrote:Am I the only one who likes the fact that the Tau do not fit within the Grimdark nature of 40k?
Is it really so bad to have a little bit of light in this reality?
Yes, since it not workable in the long term...see the events leading to the War in Heaven and the Horus Heresy for in-universe historical examples.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Personally, I couldn't care less about them. It's because on discussions about the future and weaponry that Tau start spouting nonsense that their weapons are better than eveyone else's, and that the galaxy will be their's one day. A few half-wits would even go so far to say they will one day march on Terra. You don't hear Imperials whine about bolters, or Eldar about shuriken, but Tau do about railguns. Space Marines don't whine about power armor, but Tau do about battlesuits.
As much as I love Warhammer 40000 and all of it's awesomeness and grim darkness - I must here say Clone Commandos would won the day.
Brother Coa speaking against the imperium!?
This can't be unless....Alpharius, is that you?
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Boggy79 wrote:Am I the only one who likes the fact that the Tau do not fit within the Grimdark nature of 40k?
Is it really so bad to have a little bit of light in this reality?
Personally, no, I don't think its a bad thing either. So long as it doesn't stay that way. Whats more interesting, the race that is forever bright, and happy, and all their citizens are happy too (Which is probably wrong, but thats a different argument entirely), or the one that started out like that, and slowly has to drop those elements just to survive? Obviously this is a mirror of both the eldar and the IoM, but thats not a bad thing. It shows this fall as inevitable, and would emphasise the hopelessness of the situation. How can any society survive, while still keeping all the things that make it a better place, in this galaxy?
Draigo wrote:Space pope, their obsession with fish names, heavy anime overtones, some feel theyre out of place fluff wise...
I support this.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Milisim wrote:So there is a tiny little beacon of light on the Eastern Fringes that dont want to mame, burn, kill, pillage and rape everybody??
Thats a reason to hate Tau? Because they dont treat people like dog shyte and eradicate planets on whims of egotistical meglomaniacs?
Better not like those guys!
But they do. Dont deny it. Commander Brightsword landed on the planet Polia, and began the planet wide systematic extermination. He was a student of Farsight, and decided to not issue a surrender notice. Its a form of the Vio'la. Or a similer spelling. This was in the book Cities of Death, so it official GW CANON*.
Now since he is a Commander, it implies his supieors at least dont disaprove of his actions. Since he is a student of Farsight, that means there is an entire school of thought that approves of this method. And the Vio'la tactic kinda agrees.
So yes the Tau do eradicate planets. They are a grey morality at the best of times, as are the other forces of order. And its the tau players who hark on and on and on and on about how good and perfect and totally not evil at all the Tau Empire is.
* As Lynata is quick to point out the policy of GW is there is no canon. And that it all is canon.
Am I the only one who likes the fact that the Tau do not fit within the Grimdark nature of 40k?
Is it really so bad to have a little bit of light in this reality?
Thats the problem. It doesn't fit the setting. The WHOLE Warhammer 40k setting was made with the understanding that there is NO good and NO bad race. Morality is IRRELEVANT in 40k's time.
Thats why the Tau are out of place. They are portrayed as SuperDuperGood, which doesn't fit at all with the setting, making them look like a mediocre fancodex.
What makes matters worse, is that IoM fans don't actually believe their races propaganda (the codex fluff), they understand the place is a shithole. Tau fans? they lap up their factions propaganda AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT.
To fix this? they need to play up the darker tones, perhaps keeping it politically-focused. More stuff like that Dark Crusade ending would raise my opinion of the Tau.
Heavy anime overtones? Please. Go take a peek at the Infinity models (especially the TAGs and...every single female model) and you'll realize that anime influence in the Tau design and Lore is pretty much so dilluted you could call it homeopathic!
If Tau really were animesque, they'd have:
1- Spiky hair for you to paint in surreal colors.
2- Oversized katanas.
3- HQs that have spent the last 15 years training to be the best. And if that doesn't work? TRAIN HARDER!
I like Tau. I think they are a neat parallel to a young-ish Empire of Mankind, when ideals were higher but already tainted, but nobody noticed.
In Boxing matches, you actually get paid to take a dive and make the other guy look good.
In Warhammer 40K, you're expected to pay cash out of your pocket for the privilege of having Marines and IG trample all over your Xenos/Chaos.
Am I the only one who likes the fact that the Tau do not fit within the Grimdark nature of 40k?
Is it really so bad to have a little bit of light in this reality?
Thats the problem. It doesn't fit the setting. The WHOLE Warhammer 40k setting was made with the understanding that there is NO good and NO bad race. Morality is IRRELEVANT in 40k's time.
Thats why the Tau are out of place. They are portrayed as SuperDuperGood, which doesn't fit at all with the setting, making them look like a mediocre fancodex.
What makes matters worse, is that IoM fans don't actually believe their races propaganda (the codex fluff), they understand the place is a shithole. Tau fans? they lap up their factions propaganda AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT.
To fix this? they need to play up the darker tones, perhaps keeping it politically-focused. More stuff like that Dark Crusade ending would raise my opinion of the Tau.
Thing is, Tau fans can't/don't want to believe it. They refuse to accept that the Tau are in deep gak but have yet to realize it.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
1hadhq wrote:
Made up is mostly the so called evidence in the Taus favor, as its based on fanwank, almost never quotes any GW codex and is part of the usual socially awkward attempt to nullify any unwelcome posts in a worldwide open forum. The course is set, when one race is designed as open minded and supported in the most ignorant way possible. GW didn't flesh them out as much as more established parts of 40k yet.
Still, GW publications aren't "wrong" and fillers created out of fanwank aren't "the only acceptable imagination of Tau".
Thus, wherever other factions just move along, in Tau threads a different view is declared 'hate', wherever other factions just state "they have..." you will see in Tau threads " we have this and ours is better than yours". Plus, pics from questionable sources don't count as proof.
that goes both ways. too many times i see the anti-tau brigade dismiss out of hand credible arguments that show the tau as being competent, and actually good at what they do.
and id like to see some of these fanwank sources.
1hadhq wrote:
But they do. Dont deny it. Commander Brightsword landed on the planet Polia, and began the planet wide systematic extermination. He was a student of Farsight, and decided to not issue a surrender notice. Its a form of the Vio'la. Or a similer spelling. This was in the book Cities of Death, so it official GW CANON*.
Now since he is a Commander, it implies his supieors at least dont disaprove of his actions. Since he is a student of Farsight, that means there is an entire school of thought that approves of this method. And the Vio'la tactic kinda agrees.
So yes the Tau do eradicate planets. They are a grey morality at the best of times, as are the other forces of order. And its the tau players who hark on and on and on and on about how good and perfect and totally not evil at all the Tau Empire is.
* As Lynata is quick to point out the policy of GW is there is no canon. And that it all is canon.
didnt the etherials engineer a situation where the last chancers took him out? he was a loose cannon, and they got rid of him. Interestingly, according to "Fire Warrior", the tau have dilution the "all is welcome" policy, and have a "shoot to kill" policy regarding the be'gal/ores'la (orks) and y'he (tyranids). also there is a reference to the fluff where the tau do want to include everyone peacefully, but sadly, and oftentimes (as this is the 40kiverse) the natives are hostile, angry, well armed and it simply leads to another bloody war.
also, ive yet to see these posts harping on about the "perfect" good guys. i think thats hyperbole. 99% of the time, tau fans regard the tau as the closest thing to a "good" race in the 40kiverse. most quite happily recognise the greyness, and the imperialism. unless they're 8.
Tadashi wrote:
Thats the problem. It doesn't fit the setting. The WHOLE Warhammer 40k setting was made with the understanding that there is NO good and NO bad race. Morality is IRRELEVANT in 40k's time.
Thats why the Tau are out of place. They are portrayed as SuperDuperGood, which doesn't fit at all with the setting, making them look like a mediocre fancodex.
What makes matters worse, is that IoM fans don't actually believe their races propaganda (the codex fluff), they understand the place is a shithole. Tau fans? they lap up their factions propaganda AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT.
To fix this? they need to play up the darker tones, perhaps keeping it politically-focused. More stuff like that Dark Crusade ending would raise my opinion of the Tau.
Thing is, Tau fans can't/don't want to believe it. They refuse to accept that the Tau are in deep gak but have yet to realize it.
hmm, i dunno about that. the tau are quite subtle, and manipulative at the best of times.
personally, i think the slightly naive, slightly optimistic viewpoint of the tau is good. i like it. it makes them just that little bit different. can i see them darkening? sure, but it needs to be done in the right way. forced sterilistions, and mind control never sat right with me. there are better, and more interesting ways of doing it.
as to the tau being in deep trouble, i dunno. they've done well for themselves so far, considering their size and relative importance. I always liked the quote from eldrad in the old codex - that the tau have the potential to eclipse the eldar. they're not there yet. they could be. maybe. in a thousand years. If they survive the coming storm. potential. thats their thing. for now though, they're the plucky underdog fighting above their weight class. and i like 'em for it.
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The Imperial Truth didn't work. The Old Ones 'gentle tutelage' didn't work. The benevolence of the pre-Fall Eldar didn't work. 40k history shows that only the races willing to make hard decisions survive. Example: the Orks
"A necessary evil, my Lord...you fear that the ideals of truth and illumination are dead?" - Captain Iacton Cruze, Sons of Horus/Grey Knights
"Necessary...I have often heard that of late...no, Iacton Cruze. I fear they never existed at all." - Primarch Rogal Dorn the Praetorian, Imperial Fists
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Tadashi wrote:The Imperial Truth didn't work. The Old Ones 'gentle tutelage' didn't work. The benevolence of the pre-Fall Eldar didn't work. 40k history shows that only the races willing to make hard decisions survive. Example: the Orks
"A necessary evil, my Lord...you fear that the ideals of truth and illumination are dead?"
- Captain Iacton Cruze, Sons of Horus/Grey Knights
"Necessary...I have often heard that of late...no, Iacton Cruze. I fear they never existed at all."
- Primarch Rogal Dorn the Praetorian, Imperial Fists
Yeah... but... but... but... Tau have the Gweater Gud so dey got it rite!!
You don't understand! It SAYS SO in my codex!
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Milisim wrote:So there is a tiny little beacon of light on the Eastern Fringes that dont want to mame, burn, kill, pillage and rape everybody??
Thats a reason to hate Tau? Because they dont treat people like dog shyte and eradicate planets on whims of egotistical meglomaniacs?
Better not like those guys!
But they do. Dont deny it. Commander Brightsword landed on the planet Polia, and began the planet wide systematic extermination. He was a student of Farsight, and decided to not issue a surrender notice. Its a form of the Vio'la. Or a similer spelling. This was in the book Cities of Death, so it official GW CANON*.
Now since he is a Commander, it implies his supieors at least dont disaprove of his actions. Since he is a student of Farsight, that means there is an entire school of thought that approves of this method. And the Vio'la tactic kinda agrees.
So yes the Tau do eradicate planets. They are a grey morality at the best of times, as are the other forces of order. And its the tau players who hark on and on and on and on about how good and perfect and totally not evil at all the Tau Empire is.
* As Lynata is quick to point out the policy of GW is there is no canon. And that it all is canon.
I love when Tau eradicate enemies that stand in their way.
As much as I love Warhammer 40000 and all of it's awesomeness and grim darkness - I must here say Clone Commandos would won the day.
Brother Coa speaking against the imperium!?
This can't be unless....Alpharius, is that you?
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"Let the galaxy burn!"
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! 
in your name it shall be done" 
potential. thats their thing. for now though, they're the plucky underdog fighting above their weight class. and i like 'em for it.