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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

admiral9 wrote:

2: the thousand sons. magnus never was a bad guy he was forced out by his dad and the rubric was there to save his men he didnt want them to turn into monsters

3: no matt ward ultramarine and necron lovefest. necrons are terminators not kindhearted bitches of the ultramarines

2 : Its already that way actually. It adds to the GrimDark setting of the game that a "good" legion such as the Thousand Suns gets prosecuted for something they never did.

3: Have you even read the newcron dex? The necrons are not the Ultramarines "bitches". If anything, they will bend UM over their metahl bawkes and proceed to probe them vigorously with a tesla coil. The crons are not kindhearted, they are not marine lovers, and they will totally feth up any non-necron that gets between them and their objective.

Anyway, my pick

--Get rid the newcron's dependency of the dolmen gates. That was a really dumb idea that didn't make any sense. For tactical reasons, sure, but a reliance? They can manipulate time and space, and they can't open up a friggen worm hole? Comeon!

--The Triarch can stuff it as well.

sorry im not the best when it comes to the necrons but com on you gotta agree with me with the rest when i read my tau codex for the 100 time i see that they say fire warriors are the best of the best trough selective breedidng and supreme training shouldnt there stats reflect that their wepons are good but the warriors themselves suck

Portray the Imperium as even more of a dying Empire in which central authority is failing.

This way we can have the Space Marine factions acting with a lot more autonomy; trying to carve out order, or opportunistically make their own little Empires, or just soldiering on.

Of the new Necron characteristics I like is the inter-conflict they've got going on: I think the Imperium, though officially intact, would benefit from having more visible contentions within it; i.e. the Mechanicum hearing rumours of technology on an Ecclesiarchial world, actually rocking up to it with a fleet and threatening to capture it by force; hell, the two factions can even have a theological dispute over the nature of the Omnissiah.

And the poor Guard is stuck in the middle...

Long story short: It's cooler for command to be removed as it means that the various entities of the Imperium will have to act on their own initiative: Be it well-intentioned conforming to 'the spirit' of what the Imperium tends to want/benefit from, or opportunistic power-building. Sort of like the Galactic Empire during the Warlords Period in Star Wars.

admiral9 wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

admiral9 wrote:

2: the thousand sons. magnus never was a bad guy he was forced out by his dad and the rubric was there to save his men he didnt want them to turn into monsters

3: no matt ward ultramarine and necron lovefest. necrons are terminators not kindhearted bitches of the ultramarines

2 : Its already that way actually. It adds to the GrimDark setting of the game that a "good" legion such as the Thousand Suns gets prosecuted for something they never did.

3: Have you even read the newcron dex? The necrons are not the Ultramarines "bitches". If anything, they will bend UM over their metahl bawkes and proceed to probe them vigorously with a tesla coil. The crons are not kindhearted, they are not marine lovers, and they will totally feth up any non-necron that gets between them and their objective.

Anyway, my pick

--Get rid the newcron's dependency of the dolmen gates. That was a really dumb idea that didn't make any sense. For tactical reasons, sure, but a reliance? They can manipulate time and space, and they can't open up a friggen worm hole? Comeon!

--The Triarch can stuff it as well.

sorry im not the best when it comes to the necrons but com on you gotta agree with me with the rest when i read my tau codex for the 100 time i see that they say fire warriors are the best of the best trough selective breedidng and supreme training shouldnt there stats reflect that their wepons are good but the warriors themselves suck

Yeah...BS3 is fairly pitiful for a race's warrior cast, who are specifically trained to excel at ranged combat. Sure they get good guns...but good guns do not make good soldiers.

If you disagree with eldars wearing power armor (technically they should! they still have that style of technology!). then if we give them deadlier guns? one that kills Necrons so easy! (fluff always say that they are bane to Necrons, they need anything that can whack those nanobot body)

Some eldar DO wear power armour.

Just not the bog standard weekend-warriors

1) Marines aren't the super-super-superhumans of BL fiction, but are closer to their RT image (i.e. they can die and do so often)
2) Marine chapters can replenish their numbers more easily so that the above makes sense.
3) Marines are a sensible height, not much taller than they were before being recruited.
4) Draigo is just the head Grey Knight, a double-hard bastard but not the ludicrous farce that is the entry in the GK codex
5) Bring back Squats, but without excessive biker motif


That's all that comes to mind right now.

Lone Cat wrote:If you disagree with eldars wearing power armor (technically they should! they still have that style of technology!). then if we give them deadlier guns? one that kills Necrons so easy! (fluff always say that they are bane to Necrons, they need anything that can whack those nanobot body)

Well, the shurikens do need an upgrade. Splinter weapons got a nice poison ability that was an interesting mechanic, so its likely that shurikens will get something as well.
Don't know enough about them to propose anything though. Other than that, I think the Eldar have some decent weapons already. Plenty of Ap2 and 3 weapons to use.
I remember hating Dark Reapers back when I was playing 3rd Necrons, thanks to their S5 Ap3 weapons, that had 36" (IIRC) range and 2 shots each.


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Ascalam wrote:Some eldar DO wear power armour.

Just not the bog standard weekend-warriors

Yes, but he was suggesting that they wear PA standard, which is a bit silly.


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Slinky wrote:1) Marines aren't the super-super-superhumans of BL fiction, but are closer to their RT image (i.e. they can die and do so often)
2) Marine chapters can replenish their numbers more easily so that the above makes sense.
3) Marines are a sensible height, not much taller than they were before being recruited.
4) Draigo is just the head Grey Knight, a double-hard bastard but not the ludicrous farce that is the entry in the GK codex
5) Bring back Squats, but without excessive biker motif


That's all that comes to mind right now.

1: Agreed. I do not recall seeing dead marines in any of the recent art work.
3: They are 7' tall in armor. That is reasonable.
5) Yes, they are called Deimiurg

Some really great stuff in here.

1. I would really like to see the chaos gods taking a larger role in the materium.

2. Would be great if chaos stopped suffering from the cobra-commanderitus.

3. The whole eldar cannon fodder thing. So true.

4. Draigo. Fix him.

5. Yo Saharduin, where you at?!

6. Ad mech army book, preeaaase?

Basically I would like a few less space marine codex's and maybe one or two new races. I doubt they would be able to fit in an extra two three books in their already tight schedule.

Lone Cat wrote:If you disagree with eldars wearing power armor (technically they should! they still have that style of technology!). then if we give them deadlier guns? one that kills Necrons so easy! (fluff always say that they are bane to Necrons, they need anything that can whack those nanobot body)

Technology isn't as important as industry. Germany in 1944 had the most advanced military technology in the world, but their factories were in ruins so it wasn't much good.
The eldar probably don't have the manufacturing base to churn out power armour at the same rate as the IOM, though the fact that they can give it to certain aspect warriors means that they clearly have the technology.

Oh what I would like to have altered about WH40k.

1. Change how the Ultramarines are described. They should have more personality, and their adherence to the Codex Astartes should from time to time cause trouble for them.
2. Space Marines number. I would at least have ten-folded their numbers if not more, as I refuse to think 1000 SMs can take over any planet as Earth today have 17 million soldiers under arms.
3. Tanks and Space Marines seem really stupid, and how do such a guy fit into a seat inside a tank effectively? Teleportation? Might explain the high attrition rates amongst the Marines.
4. Robute taking control of IOM, he would force the change with a smile and many many guns.
5. The Tau can go to hell and stay there.
6. Make the Imperial Guard more important, they do most of the fighting, the Space Marines just takes the credit. How would you feel if you were a part of one million men fighting a grueling battle and SEAL -team six took the credit? They shall be more in the forefront as the SM does less than 1% of the fighting.
7. Make the Sister of Battle more interesting and independent. Not to mention all we now have from them are penitence and anger. Normal humans just ain't interested in that. I would make them more like the Fish Speakers, and for fun throw in the kill-rule from the Sarmartians. No killie, no marrye.
8. Make Abbaddon less pants on head. Seriously now he is almost cartoonish in how he is a villain. "Today I feel contrary, so today I abandon you despite me having 12 other Black Crusades which failed greatly." Just because his name is Abbaddon and abandon is a very similar word doesn't mean he shouldn't try to fight for his crusades. Now he is pants on head, and seriously why do anyone follow that guy? 13 out of 13 failed Black Crusades, that reeks of incompetence.
9. Make a codex for the Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Raven Guard, White Scars and Iron Hands and detail much better their rather interesting personalities.
10. Make the Necrons into life-hating robots, sure the Nids were merely the wakeup-call.
11. Have the Orks getting a few points in IQ, now they seem to be a mix of hooligans and rednecks who speak in funetik accent.
12. Force Nid-commanders to use swarms of smaller units. Seriously it looks damn stupid when everything fielded by a Nid-army is Synapse. Hive Tyrants and Carnifexes ain't easy to breed, so they should act like it.
13. Make the Eldar more fading and less dying. Now they have cannon-fodder which ain't humans, I'm looking at you Guardians.
14. Make it so Eldar and humans actually through great difficulty can breed, because it fills me with squick when we go for the Dark Eldar and even normal Eldar and humans keep sex-slaves of the species they ain't.
15. Change the Operati Mundi for the Grey Knights. They now ally with the Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tau, while they happily kill any human they see, and then takes a refreshing bath in SOB-blood? WTF? At least they should try to protect humans from time to time.
16. Make the Space Marines less demi-godish. That would be the Custodes for you. The Space Marines should be more extremely strong humans who is chemically and surgically altered.
17. Get better fluff about the traitor guardsmen, now they are just a footnote.
18. Draigo? Ehm the Grey Knights for me should be lobotomized to not having a personality.
19. Make the feeding of a planet much more complicated for the Nids, also make them less good in fluff. Which would mean the Lictors slinking around all unseen shouldn't happen much. I would also have the Genestealer Cults more vulnerable to Chaos, especially if the Patriarch died.
20. Make it so the IOM are not totally pants on head regarding technology. I mean no-one tests a thing for 500 years like the Adeptus Mechanicus did with the Lightning. Technology should be hard to develop, but it shouldn't be impossible to do. I can buy the whole golden age thingy of the past.
21. Make the Chaos more interesting, now it's perversions which really doesn't tempt. Basically go for Joey's points.
22. Make the Daemon Primarches more active. Now only Angron does much, the rest are just laying on their couches watching sport on TV while downing beer like unemployed males.
23. Make it so the C'Tan control the Crons, though the Crons should be able to break the control at times.

Well that was all I came up as of now.


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Joey wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:If you disagree with eldars wearing power armor (technically they should! they still have that style of technology!). then if we give them deadlier guns? one that kills Necrons so easy! (fluff always say that they are bane to Necrons, they need anything that can whack those nanobot body)

Technology isn't as important as industry. Germany in 1944 had the most advanced military technology in the world, but their factories were in ruins so it wasn't much good.
The eldar probably don't have the manufacturing base to churn out power armour at the same rate as the IOM, though the fact that they can give it to certain aspect warriors means that they clearly have the technology.

Same with IOM and Terminator Armour. The IOM can make it, but it's extremely hard to make and it's better to make power armour instead.

Personally? The biggest thing I'd change is the Space Marines in general.

Currently, they don't make a whole lot of sense when you actually start looking at their numbers relative to the galactic scale (they become insignificant very quickly) and their capabilities are wildly varied from being tough heavy infantry to demigods depending on author and their resources/authority also varies wildly depending on author and all too often seems to be very much in violation of what we know of the Codex Astartes even for chapters supposedly very codex adherent, largely because the Space Marines can't and don't function the way the author wants them to otherwise.

They end reading like invincible flying bricks tropes, and end up being way too one-dimensional as characters, and one can often piece together their dialogue in just about any circumstance from maybe 50 or so words. They come off too often as internet fanfic style idealized and overdone invincible superheroes and not as the doomed-to-fight-until-killed-in-battle xenophobic psycho-indoctrinated super soldier warrior monks of an oppressive theocracy stuck in the past and declining while stifling under its own bureacracy and inability to react.


That and I'd bring back Squats. There's no reason they couldn't be done well and add a bit more dark humor to the universe

The Imperial Guard certainly need more focus. Currently they are stuck in a strange rift concerning what time period they fall under. Do they represent modern day soldiers? then what's with the interwar motif?

Rules wise, what in Throne's name made Arby think a 4e Eldar "flying circus" was in any way appropriate for the Guard?! Rediculous I say...


The Marines absolutely should be shifted slightly out of the limelight. Not to say that they are unimportant, but they are such a small part of the universe that it's absurd to shove them squarely into the center of each storyline (roughly one million out of countless trillions). Inject the inquisition into more of these senarios at the very least, they have the resources and authority that vastly supercedes ANY Chapter Master ("By the authority of the immortal Emperor of mankind..." and all that).

Grey Knights have been made into clowns, an entire chapter of genetically-engineered super *DUPER* marines who kill deamons and have the bestest armor an gunz an dont afraid of nothing. I vastly prefer the previous codex, it was (is?) much more fun to play against regardless of the outcome of the battle simply by how easily a narrative game could advance.


I dont think I can make a decent call on the xenos, but the laundry list would definatly include making the Orks into a respectable force. I dislike the current idea that there needs to be a faction that only ranges from "bumbling idiots" to "thuggish hooligans"! I would also be very happy if at the least that "WAAAGH" is reserved only as a battlecry and never again gets used as a noun!


I may have more later, but that should do for now.


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Vaktathi wrote:doomed-to-fight-until-killed-in-battle xenophobic psycho-indoctrinated super soldier warrior monks of an oppressive theocracy stuck in the past and declining while stifling under its own bureacracy and inability to react.

OMG!!! I feel some sigging coming of this.

Change codex Lineup.

REMOVE: Blood angels, Dark Angels and Black Templars Codex's and include their Characters/ special rules to the vanilla codex in a system more like the 4th edition trait system.

Codex: Inquisition/Daemonhunters, bring the Sisters, Inquisition and Grey Knights back together.

Codex: Mechanus, there's defiantly a demand for it. Army wide regeneration (like tyranid regeneration) for all their multi-wound models. Machine Spirit in all vehicles. Mind-lock drawback on all troop choices.

Codex: Traitors, a codex for Human worlds that have left the imperium. has the option to be Chaos worshipping or just Renegades (determined by HQ choice). Chaos worshipping would have access to some Chaosy things while Renegades could have access to alien mercenaries and technologies like Ork Bloodaxes or other alien pirates/mercenaries.

Add Demiurg and the "Human Helpers" to the Tau Codex.

keep the rest of the codexes.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The strength of the Eldar comes from their speed and ranged power. Giving them power armor standard will just make them into acrobatic marines, and that is just...damn. C.S Goto level dumb, to be exact.

There was a point in the game when Striking Scorpions had a 3+ armor save back when Marines had a 4+ armor save. Just sayin'.

I like Orks. They're one of the few factions about which I would change nothing. They make me laugh and yet they're still a deadly serious threat (spore-based asexual reproduction, I'm looking at you.)

Plus they can be made grimdark: Think about all dem 'umie slaves making their gear in 'uge factories.

Henners91 wrote:I like Orks. They're one of the few factions about which I would change nothing. They make me laugh and yet they're still a deadly serious threat (spore-based asexual reproduction, I'm looking at you.)

Plus they can be made grimdark: Think about all dem 'umie slaves making their gear in 'uge factories.

Absolutely. Orks are all fun and games, until you look at it from the point of view of the agri-world farmer who is forced to watch as a mob of pillaging Orks uses his still-living children as footballs and handy bite-size snacks, then rpoceed to hack up his wife to see if whatever it is that's making that screaming sound can be added to the mob's trukk for a cool siren-effect...


The best part? The Orks can't see why no-one else doesn't find this hilarious.

The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

GW did a serious mistake in pitting Abbaddon against Cadia, the most popular IG regiment, he can never take that planet. Anywhere else and Abbaddon would have wrecked havoc. Against Cadia he is just a wave hitting a beach, and unfortunately using two million years to take that planet is not a very good strategy.

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

Beaviz81 wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

GW did a serious mistake in pitting Abbaddon against Cadia, the most popular IG regiment, he can never take that planet. Anywhere else and Abbaddon would have wrecked havoc. Against Cadia he is just a wave hitting a beach, and unfortunately using two million years to take that planet is not a very good strategy.

Not true at all.

At that point in time, Steel Legion was the "most popular IG regiment".
Cadians are not--and have really never been--"the most popular IG regiment". Anyone who's seen the polls on the topic here would know that. The popularity of the models(a full plastic line which don't look like Catachans) does not equate to the popularity of the regiment.

Unfortunately GW sees everything in black and white when it comes to sales, the Cadians is the most popular regiment. And with good reason. They are a very adaptable organization with few weaknesses. The Cadians is the Ultramarins of the IG (without the lameness) while the Catachans are the Space Wolves of the IG.

Beaviz81 wrote:Unfortunately GW sees everything in black and white when it comes to sales, the Cadians is the most popular regiment. And with good reason. They are a very adaptable organization with few weaknesses. The Cadians is the Ultramarines of the IG (without the lameness) while the Catachans are the Space Wolves of the IG.

That isn't what you said in your post--which is what I replied to. You confused fluff with sales figures--and you're doing it again. Cadians--and their "adaptable organization with few weaknesses" has been the hallmark of the Cadians since before they had plastic kits.

Plastic Cadians--and their sales figures--did not come until after Abaddon fought at Cadia. The only thing that was the "serious mistake" was having a worldwide campaign to decide the fate of a lynchpin planet in the fluff.

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

I like the Steel Legion. They are like France anno 1918. They fight on despite devastation and that almost every fit male have died or been crippled.

For Cadia, well they are sort of the modern military put into space with their resources. I have never minded them in fact.

For Abbaddon, he has been a great sales-pitch for the Cadians, i recognize that, but now he seems inept. Then again might makes right?

make the tactical genious attack the eye of terror along with about 15 chapters in one breaktrough and crush the legions cause of the bloodlust khorne releases undending war and there are permanent warpgates opened where khornes legions make undending war and destruction

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

That's what GW wants you to believe, for the sake of saving face.

We all know that's crap though.

BlaxicanX wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

That's what GW wants you to believe, for the sake of saving face.

We all know that's crap though.

Wait, so GW isn't canon anymore? Huh.

Someone mentioned frozen solid fluff for chaos. I couldn't agree more. They have no actual goal other than to be a pain in the ass for Imperium. and plus 1000 for the Eldar Guardian problem. also, there needs to be more attention on the SoB. I think they're awesome and the reason no one really plays or collects them is because they're still an all metal army.

Hey people thread carefully. The last thing thing I personally and you as well want is this thread to boil down to another Ultramarine-slugfest. We have enough of them, and they never end up nice.

Lets just start anew, this is what we dislike as individuals not as a whole.

LoneLictor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

That's what GW wants you to believe, for the sake of saving face.

We all know that's crap though.

Wait, so GW isn't canon anymore? Huh.

If George Lucas made an official statement tomorrow claiming that Jar Jar Binks is the most intelligent and powerful character in the Star Wars mythos, would you believe that that was the truth? No? Thought so. If DC Comics came out with an official statement that claimed that Robin is faster than the Flash and stronger than Superman, would you believe that to be the truth? No? Thought so. lol