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Xyptc wrote:

Henners91 wrote:I like Orks. They're one of the few factions about which I would change nothing. They make me laugh and yet they're still a deadly serious threat (spore-based asexual reproduction, I'm looking at you.)

Plus they can be made grimdark: Think about all dem 'umie slaves making their gear in 'uge factories.

Absolutely. Orks are all fun and games, until you look at it from the point of view of the agri-world farmer who is forced to watch as a mob of pillaging Orks uses his still-living children as footballs and handy bite-size snacks, then rpoceed to hack up his wife to see if whatever it is that's making that screaming sound can be added to the mob's trukk for a cool siren-effect...


The best part? The Orks can't see why no-one else doesn't find this hilarious.

The fact that I'm now laughing shows they are fun guys

I'd like to see some fluff in which "All the little guardsmen die, then the Space Marines come save the day" isn't the standby. Heck, I'd like to see the inverse happen. An army of Guardsmen notice some large scale battle while fighting orks, and arrive upon a small force of Astartes Fighting for their lives.

I'd also like to see doctrines make a comeback.

Vaktathi wrote: Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes),

Taking Terra and crushing the Imperium would make him a bad leader as far as Chaos is concerned. They like the status quo just fine, in fact they engineered it to gain power. They keep Abaddon strong because he's too inept to lead the forces in any significant gain, but too powerful to ever be deposed.

BlaxicanX wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

That's what GW wants you to believe, for the sake of saving face.

We all know that's crap though.

Wait, so GW isn't canon anymore? Huh.

If George Lucas made an official statement tomorrow claiming that Jar Jar Binks is the most intelligent and powerful character in the Star Wars mythos, would you believe that that was the truth? No? Thought so. If DC Comics came out with an official statement that claimed that Robin is faster than the Flash and stronger than Superman, would you believe that to be the truth? No? Thought so. lol

But, I would believe it if it was specifically included in the movie/comic, even if it was stupid, because that's how canon works. The book says Abaddon did that stuff. Nothing in the book contradicts it, except your opinion which is not canon.

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He still managed to get the blessing of Tzeentch, get a Blackstone fortress and reclaim Horus' body twice. Pretty good going IMO.

BlaxicanX wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

That's what GW wants you to believe, for the sake of saving face.

We all know that's crap though.

Wait, so GW isn't canon anymore? Huh.

If George Lucas made an official statement tomorrow claiming that Jar Jar Binks is the most intelligent and powerful character in the Star Wars mythos, would you believe that that was the truth? No? Thought so. If DC Comics came out with an official statement that claimed that Robin is faster than the Flash and stronger than Superman, would you believe that to be the truth? No? Thought so. lol

Except you'd have to believe it whether you wanted to or not. And there's a difference between claiming that the person meant to be the arch-enemy of the Imperium is a threat and trying to make scrappys powerful.

IoM - I would have had The big E die during the Horus Heresy and ascend to godhood. Sanguinius, Dorn and the Lion would all be alive and would be the Triumvirate that rules over the Iom. There would be doubts over The Lions true loyalties though to create a little inhouse tension.

Also, the whole 60% of chapters coming from Ultramarine geneseed would be scrapped. Id probably switch the focus away from the usual chapters and show a little love to some of the more obscure ones.

As a purely geeky want there would be a Dinorider IG army that would be sorta be like catachans riding raptors. How cool could those models look?

Chaos - There would be 6 main Gods. Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Malal and the Star Child. Mala would be the badass that the other Gods feared and the Star Child would be the youngest/weakest good but look out for mankind.

Nids - I like Nids how they are really. I have them take more ground/space but would really change anything. Maybe imply through fluff that they are fleeing an even more fearsome foe.

Orks - Would not mess with Orks too much. Maybe just push Ghaz's influence. Make hime the leader of the biggest army in the galaxy and the IoM biggest threat.

Also, I would have the Hrud causing trouble for just about everyone. Be it through piracy and bloodshed or infestation and disease. Maybe they could follow Nurgle.

Thats how my reboot would go. Would it fail? Hell yeah but it was nice to think about.

LoneLictor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:The majority of suggestions in this thread have included making Abaddon more successful. Hopefully GW will be able to take a hint from the fanbase for the next Chaos Codex.

Hopefully they don't. Abaddon is a brilliant satire. Chaos Space Marines are a might makes right faction. He's the mightiest. That doesn't make him actually a good leader.

He's led a huge number of devastating wars against the Imperium and been offered daemonhood on multiple occasions. He has done more for the Dark Gods than just about any other being in memory save possibly Horus. Just because he hasn't taken Terra doesn't mean he's a bad leader (as far as Chaos goes), taking Terra has never been the intention of any of the Black Crusades which have taken place, they have each had their own objectives that are building up to a Black Crusade which will eventually have Terra as its goal, but that's for later.

That's what GW wants you to believe, for the sake of saving face.

We all know that's crap though.

Wait, so GW isn't canon anymore? Huh.

If George Lucas made an official statement tomorrow claiming that Jar Jar Binks is the most intelligent and powerful character in the Star Wars mythos, would you believe that that was the truth? No? Thought so. If DC Comics came out with an official statement that claimed that Robin is faster than the Flash and stronger than Superman, would you believe that to be the truth? No? Thought so. lol

But, I would believe it if it was specifically included in the movie/comic, even if it was stupid, because that's how canon works. The book says Abaddon did that stuff. Nothing in the book contradicts it, except your opinion which is not canon.

lol what. What makes you think canon works that way at all?

I think it would be pretty interesting to see eldar in heavy power armour... but kinda contradictory...

Maybe more Old Ones?

Eldar in heavy power armour:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440244a&prodId=prod1160106a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060044

The older models had boots so heavy that they would lock to the ground while they fired IIRC, to absorb recoil, but i could be misremembering..


More Old Ones fluff would be good, maybe some old Ones tech in the hands of their descendants/servitors

I want to see Codex: Slann !




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These guys too:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1160121a

I would have a human/alien codex that was somewhere between the Imperium and the other factions, Codex: Space Pirates?

Non-imperial humans as a merc/pirate codex would be awesome

Ascalam wrote:Non-imperial humans as a merc/pirate codex would be awesome

Rogue Traders? SOOOPER rogue rogue traders....

Wouldn't mind pirates

My reboot:

Change the look of space marines. Their cartoony, dopey bell bottom armor with shoulders that couldn't realistically function are the reason no movie producer in his right mind would ever consider a live action space marine movie. They would look as dumb as... well they'd look as dumb as they do. They shouldn't look this silly. Theirs is a look that needed to have evolved from that time way back when miniatures never looked very impressive, and yet they haven't.

Space marine background needs to be completely retooled so they don't come off so ridiculously exaggerated. They're a little better than guardsmen, but with better armor. Fine. So stop all the nonsense about them being unbeatable super giants who can wipe out an Ork invasion with a single squad. Such fiction is outrageously contrived and just awful. Good stories contain flawed heroes and perfected villains. 3rd grader stories (and current SM stories) contain perfect heroes and plucky failure villains.

Make Eldar more deadly. Your typical Eldar trooper should be equal to a SM, only with superior weapons and armor tech. Only then could we justify saying that their fewer numbers are compensated by their weapons and armor tech. Everything they have should be better.

Advance the Tau timetable. The rate at which Tau progress should make them one of the most indomitable forces in the galaxy, yet they're unjustifiably portrayed as utterly inferior, despite obvious technological superiority to everybody except Eldar, and that's only because of Eldar psychic tech... And Tau tech is STILL advancing . They deserve better representation.

Demiurg never existed. Just write them out. The space gnome concept is even sillier than SM armor.

Change the name of Dark Eldar. Their concept is fine, their name sounds like they're not even trying. Call them... I dunno. Nocte Militus or Ghost Pirates or something more clever than "Dark Eldar."

Orks need an overhaul. Axe brandishing retards shouldn't be space faring. Ork invasions should occur by fungal infection epidemic or something. As they are, they're too medieval and just don't fit in a sci-fi backdrop.

Chaos needs to have seen more success. They're touted as one of the biggest threats in the galaxy, yet they fail at every turn... Partly because of the exaggerated SM syndrome mentioned previously.

Archonate wrote:
Space marine background needs to be completely retooled so they don't come off so ridiculously exaggerated. They're a little better than guardsmen, but with better armor. Fine. So stop all the nonsense about them being unbeatable super giants who can wipe out an Ork invasion with a single squad.

I take it you read Iron Snakes?

Shinglepants wrote:

As a purely geeky want there would be a Dinorider IG army that would be sorta be like catachans riding raptors. How cool could those models look?

That is the best thing I have ever heard anyone say. And perhaps a new chaos character that could act as Krulos? Lol. It would be beyond amazing.

That cartoon was so boss.

1. I would ban the use of the word "Canon, Fluff" or anything even vaguely insinuating that there is any truth or constants in 40K.

2. There are only two armies. Codex: Orks and Codex: Draigo. So you all either have to play the best army...or Draigo. Because I know how much you all love him to death.


In the grim, dark future of 40k, there are only orks. And Draigo.

Slinky wrote:1) Marines aren't the super-super-superhumans of BL fiction, but are closer to their RT image (i.e. they can die and do so often)
2) Marine chapters can replenish their numbers more easily so that the above makes sense.
3) Marines are a sensible height, not much taller than they were before being recruited.
4) Draigo is just the head Grey Knight, a double-hard bastard but not the ludicrous farce that is the entry in the GK codex
5) Bring back Squats, but without excessive biker motif


That's all that comes to mind right now.

1. agree. They remain a super soldier but shouldn't be too elite. merge the SM with the Imperial Navy
2. Squats should focus on siege warfare. they may have access to IG leman russ but they also extensively uses mole weapons.
2.1 line infantry should have either hellguns or bolter. but not wearing power armor as standard suit. in contrast they starts with default flak jacket instead
2.2 they also have access to Dreadnought. the squats however, 'man' the dreads instead of being fused in.
2.3 they also uses Stug-style leman russ (exclusively Thunderer!) as codex heavy choices.
2.4 they don't use Admech priests as repairers. instead they have their very own team of engineers (and no "Mindlock" penalties). this comes with tradeoffs as an engineer team can't take power armor.

Just Draigo. The rest is fine by me.

keep squats, but make them more serious.
I can understand their humour but naming dudes after cakes and pop singers is just going to far...

I would not chnage anything. I like my 40k as it is, but however dear GW, give the poor SoB players a codex in physical format.

Trondheim wrote:I would not chnage anything. I like my 40k as it is, but however dear GW, give the poor SoB players a codex in physical format.

My friend, honestly the Ultras need a change, same with the SOB. But I agree with your general sentiment.

Space marines are changed drastically.

If there are 1,000,000 of them for the entire galaxy, why do they seem to be present in every battle, in forces of 1 company+?

Get some consistency of certain things. Marine armour is shredded by sufficient lasgun fire in some sources, in others it's completely immune.

Get some consistency of boltgun power. Some sources have humans and eq. surviving a direct hit, others have the blast alone killing nearby humans.

Get some consistency for marine height.

Make them faster. They are supposed to be elite warriors, in most sources they just attack as if they were very heavy infantry, but not especially skilled.

It is just silly when you have a rank-and-file space marine kill a whole bunch of traitors without them even posing much of a threat (Rafen, I'm looking at you)


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just Draigo. The rest is fine by me.

This. Him trouncing daemon primarchs IN THEIR OWN DIMENSION is silliness.

Mortarion was in the material realm, not "his own dimension".

Never fails to amuse me that the story gets more and more exaggerated depending on how someone wants to portray it.

Chaos - Have Malice as the 5th chaos god, with its own version of greater and lesser daemons. Daemons are themselves now, they are no longer a piece of the chaos gods.

Orks - Similar to the orks right now with more super huge warbosses leading giant pirate empires. More high tech and warbosses now have giant space fleets. Also give them a more pirate/warlord style.

Imperial Guards - No more low tech looking infantry and tanks, now they all look advanced enough to be worthy of a year 40000 military force. This faction mostly fights with eldar, tyranids, and ork pirate empires.

Necron - Necron dynasty are larger and more powerful than ever before! strongest necron overlord now rules 800 planets. Not all necron dynasty are awake and one c'tan the outsider has been consuming c'tan shards for many years, gaining godlike power..

Eldar - They have a much larger empire now with many robotic units backing them up.

Space marine - Another human military faction that mostly deals with chaos, daemon, and necrons threats. Also make the entire faction more high tech looking. No more chapters, they are divided into legions now. 14 legions in total with each legion having 1 million space marine super solider.

Thatguy91 wrote:

Shinglepants wrote:

As a purely geeky want there would be a Dinorider IG army that would be sorta be like catachans riding raptors. How cool could those models look?

That is the best thing I have ever heard anyone say. And perhaps a new chaos character that could act as Krulos? Lol. It would be beyond amazing.

That cartoon was so boss.

Haha yeah, I would shoehorn it in somehow. Have them from a deathworld called Jurassica or something!

That cartoon was, indeed, boss.

There are ten thousand men in each space marine chapter.

The Tau Empire is older than the Imperium. It had expanded into many corners of the galaxy, but the Great Crusade shattered it into hundreds of tiny independent states all unified not in power but in ideology. The largest of these sections is the "true" Tau empire: the one in the Eastern Fringe. They work to spread the Greater Good, but have an ancient hatred for humanity.

The hive fleets are new, but the Tyrandis have always been in the galaxy. They exist in hives seeded all across the stars and they rise up to rejoin the hive fleets when they come by. The hives must have been seeded through the galaxy aeons ago in preparation for the coming fleets.

It would be hinted that orks and eldar have a shared history of warfare that's lasted since the extinction of the Old Ones and that the reason why Khaine was so powerful was that the eldar were always fighting. This would also go to explain how the eldar couldn't become the permanent rulers of the known universe despite millions of years of history as a space-faring race.

gpfunk wrote:
In the grim, dark future of 40k, there are only orks.

I like da way you fink, humie. If ya wuz big 'n green I'd fight next to ya anyday

Kanluwen wrote:Mortarion was in the material realm, not "his own dimension".

Never fails to amuse me that the story gets more and more exaggerated depending on how someone wants to portray it.

Ah, sorry. Messed up the timeline. The battle with mortarion was BEFORE he was sent to the warp by M'kar.




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VampireDeLaVega wrote:

Space marine - Another human military faction that mostly deals with chaos, daemon, and necrons threats. Also make the entire faction more high tech looking. No more chapters, they are divided into legions now. 14 legions in total with each legion having 1 million space marine super solider.

That's actually quite interesting and unique...and specific. Might I ask how you came up with the number 14?

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Mortarion was in the material realm, not "his own dimension".

Never fails to amuse me that the story gets more and more exaggerated depending on how someone wants to portray it.

Ah, sorry. Messed up the timeline. The battle with mortarion was BEFORE he was sent to the warp by M'kar.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Draigo's stuff is plenty silly, but every time I see someone talking about it the story seems to have grown in some silly way.

Kanluwen wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Mortarion was in the material realm, not "his own dimension".

Never fails to amuse me that the story gets more and more exaggerated depending on how someone wants to portray it.

Ah, sorry. Messed up the timeline. The battle with mortarion was BEFORE he was sent to the warp by M'kar.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Draigo's stuff is plenty silly, but every time I see someone talking about it the story seems to have grown in some silly way.

Yeah I just thought they had battled in the warp, hence "own dimension".

Anyways, glad we set the record straight.

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VampireDeLaVega wrote:

Space marine - Another human military faction that mostly deals with chaos, daemon, and necrons threats. Also make the entire faction more high tech looking. No more chapters, they are divided into legions now. 14 legions in total with each legion having 1 million space marine super solider.

That's actually quite interesting and unique...and specific. Might I ask how you came up with the number 14?