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**Ascalam**

It's all good

**Shadelkan**

Like I said, its the gamers I've encountered, ie, in real life. I'm glad there's some folk out there who can accept change, but often times, I encounter many a former 40k player who says "X edition was better."

In excellent news, my demos have caused an explosion of interest in the game, and the store goers are abuzz about it.

**Kaptajn Congoboy**

There are idiots everywhere. I have had a little circle of fanatics attempt to ban all other games than 40k in a gaming club where WM/H had been growing for some time. These days WM/H, WHFB, Infinity and Epic is what allows their club to have enough money to rent somewhere to play...I've had a lunatic edit and delete posts on his favorite game as a moderator because he did not have any answers to the questions posed and then scream like a little kid at me over PMs.

chromedog wrote:
Local FLGS has a core of 40k and WM/H players and they absolutely hate on Infinity. Saying it needs "too much terrain" (we only take all of their terrain when NO-ONE else is in the store - and we even went to the extent of bringing our own and they still complained.) or that the models are too cheesecake (yeah, neckbeards complaining about cheesecake? WTF? Given the way they drool whenever a moderately attractive woman walks past ) or the system is broken because EVERYONE has overwatch (which is why the terrain density is so high). If you put your guy into the firelanes of 12 enemy models, EXPECT to get filled full'o'lead.

Most of the players of infinity in my area are gaming vets with two decades of gaming under their belts. They ALREADY have the terrain, so for us it's not a deterrent. With the amount of hate we get from the local whoremachine crowd, it's no wonder we set up our own club, where we could play in peace, and have beer at the same time (Can't have beer in the FLGS)

When you use terms like the one bolded I cannot but imagine that these foul 40k and WmH players might have other issues with you than that you use too much of their terrain (just saying). Which Infinity does, of course. We ate 4-6 tables worth of 40k/WHFB/WmH terrain when we ran our first Infinity games; it was pretty obvious to us, with the current 14-20 people playing at the store every wednesday, that we needed to bring our own stuff to the store or risk being irritations for everybody else in the store, So, we are building up a in-store stock of Infinity exclusive terrain (MaS/Antenociti/Sarisssa/Others) which will likely help with recruitment as well.

**Pacific**

Shadelkan wrote: and those who have never played will openly complain about the prices; this happens without provocation. Every time.
.

That's a valid criticism. Although I agree with your main point, certainly around these parts GW does seem to have a rather negative perception (usually among anyone who is in their late teens or older), perhaps similar to the kind of reputation that EA has within the game software industry, of a cash-guzzling giant that (coincidentally) cares little for its 'art'.

But I agree anyway the guy sounds like a bit of an idiot and social misfit, just ignore him until he goes away

**Ledabot**

The guy seems very sad inside. Maybe he once played 40k and hasn't one a single game of it ever. Driven insane by his failures, he melted all his models and took up the nearest thing he could find. He hunts 40k players to this day in some shadow of revenge to try and fix his ego.

Then again, he's more likely to just be a chaos worshiper

**Ugavine**

Personally I've never understood the whole 40K Players vs Malifaux Players vs Warmachine Players vs whatever thing.

Where I play it's a club of Gamers.
We all play various games and respect what each other is playing. But from reading Dakka it sounds like respect is missing from many other clubs and stores.

I don't know what age group others game with or if that even makes a difference. While our club does have younger members I would say the majority are 40+, with the age range going from 10-70.

At our club there are lots of games played like 7TV, Malifaux, RPGs, Historical Wargames, Battle Masters, and loads of Board Games. I guess the most popular games are 40K, Heroclix and Flames of War. Hmm... Heroclix. I guess a club where CMG games are popular wouldn't see 40K as expensive.

**Ledabot**

I have never really experienced anything from other war gamers. The worst I've had was from magic players and unbelievably from other 40k players shouting faction prejudice. They can be really rude. I try and mix with everyone so every group know me and I know everyone and what they play too. It helps relate when you can talk about the newest update of there main game with them.

Another advantage is that you have friends in each group, if someone is giving you pain, they can stand up too and put them down. Since they play the same game, respect is shared.

**Rayvon**

Next time he belittles your game, tell him to cheer up, its only a game.
Bottom line is, some people suck, unfortunately, he does sound like a miserable chap indeed.

**gunslingerpro**

Ask him to play next time. If he says no, then tell him his opinions of the game are unfounded and unwelcome.

If he says he played an earlier addition, see above.

If he plays and still doesn't like it, let him know that you do, and he's welcome to his opinion, just to keep it to himself.

Converted quite a few people to various gaming systems in this manner.

**Pacific**

Ugavine wrote:Personally I've never understood the whole 40K Players vs Malifaux Players vs Warmachine Players vs whatever thing.

Where I play it's a club of Gamers.
We all play various games and respect what each other is playing. But from reading Dakka it sounds like respect is missing from many other clubs and stores.

I don't know what age group others game with or if that even makes a difference. While our club does have younger members I would say the majority are 40+, with the age range going from 10-70.

I agree completely. I really can't understand the whole 'either/or' mentality towards gaming systems. It almost reminds me in a way of the old 16-bit wars, with people either choosing a SNES or Megadrive, and then being massively disparaging about anything on the other system (even though they secretly wanted to have a go!)

I collect and play half a dozen different games, and usually focus on one or another depending on whatever mood takes me. Although the 40k players at my club have the highest proportion of unassembled/unpainted armies, I think generally that is because they tend to be younger. From my experience, in their mid to late teens they start to discover other games/systems and branch out from there.

**FabricatorGeneralMike**

Pacific wrote:
Ugavine wrote:Personally I've never understood the whole 40K Players vs Malifaux Players vs Warmachine Players vs whatever thing.

Where I play it's a club of Gamers.
We all play various games and respect what each other is playing. But from reading Dakka it sounds like respect is missing from many other clubs and stores.

I don't know what age group others game with or if that even makes a difference. While our club does have younger members I would say the majority are 40+, with the age range going from 10-70.

I agree completely. I really can't understand the whole 'either/or' mentality towards gaming systems. It almost reminds me in a way of the old 16-bit wars, with people either choosing a SNES or Megadrive, and then being massively disparaging about anything on the other system (even though they secretly wanted to have a go!)

I collect and play half a dozen different games, and usually focus on one or another depending on whatever mood takes me. Although the 40k players at my club have the highest proportion of unassembled/unpainted armies, I think generally that is because they tend to be younger. From my experience, in their mid to late teens they start to discover other games/systems and branch out from there.

I was firmly in Camp Nintendo until mortal kombat came out, then Sega all the way

**Dynamix**

Ive seen the ' label which I will not repeat ' used as a a knee-jerk label by GW fans in response to valid points of criticism .

This guy was being a jerk - it happens within GW games systems - ive seen plenty of ill thought out and selfish rants about LotR from WHFB players - the 'label which I will not repeat ' could be used against them too .

**Happygrunt**

See, that is funny, because I like 40k and can't stand the look of Malifaux.

He should feth off. Seriously. I mean, I honestly can't stand 8th edition fantasy (as much as I try...), but my friend loves it. I don't tell him to quite fantasy and solely play 40k (although I do bug him to play more

). Honestly, I think the GW haters are sometimes WORSE than the fanboys.

**juraigamer**

Most people who quit GW games to go to other, just as expensive tabletop gaming options, will always voice their hate, simply because they have no reason to love the game anymore.

Spoiler:

TLDR: Things being bad enough for a while, and leaving before they get better keeps you in the mindset the whole thing is gak.

**A Town Called Malus**

Knights-Abhorrent wrote:
beigeknight wrote:The names were a mix of Romeo and Juliet, Gladiator, and 300. That would make a sweet movie....

Juliet: Romeo, Romeo. Where art thou Romeo?

Leonidas: *Kicks Juliet off balocny* THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!

Maximus: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

Mercutio: A plague o' both your houses.

**timetowaste85**

juraigamer wrote:Most people who quit GW games to go to other, just as expensive tabletop gaming options, will always voice their hate, simply because they have no reason to love the game anymore.

Spoiler:

It's the same way I gave up playing sports. (soccer/football in this example) I was put on the only team with all the fatties, I mean ALL of them. Here I was at 12-14 years old, weighing only double digits in pounds (hell my doctor told me to eat junk food) and I was playing with these guys. Good guys mind you. Yet as expected, most were slow, lost all steam by half time, some didn't even try. We never won a game, and only tied one match. Here I was trying, all season long, giving pass after pass, taking shot after shot, defending our worthless goalie, and basically ending every game having given my all.

But I berate my teammates from time to time, and it all started when I noticed a player SITTING ON THE FIELD. I mean the ball rolled within 12 feet of his ass. I was never mean, but I told them to keep moving. Turns out they didn't like that.

So I was thought of as a glory hog for trying to do everything, for being all over the field. At the end of the season, when awards were given out, I noticed I got nothing. Not a single stupid piece of ribbon, nothing. I gave my all that summer, a season of slaughter that I had to endure. I had nothing but rage to show for it. So in the end, I never went back, and never gave a damn again, furthermore making sure people knew I didn't give a damn.

TLDR: Things being bad enough for a while, and leaving before they get better keeps you in the mindset the whole thing is gak.

If your coach didn't even attempt to give you an award, you can't fully blame your team-even though they sound truly awful. The couch was a giant douche-waffle too. He/she should have recognized your effort, and not doing so was uncalled for as an adult. While I support sports (I played soccer all through highschool, plus pick-up basketball games, racketball, tennis, volleyball, bowling), you were right to leave a team of jackasses like that. And the coach is part of that team too, but he/she should be fired-somebody like that does not deserve to be coaching. And the guy sitting on the field should have been thrown out of the game by the coach. Unless he was <7 years old. Then I guess it's forgivable. Anything above 7-8, sitting on the field DURING the game is unacceptable. He deserved to be cleated. Rant over.

**SilverMK2**

It's a shame when some butthole ruins things for everyone - the story on the previous page about FOW getting blown out of the water by a single guy who wizzes on everyone else's bonfire just goes to show how much of a problem it can me. Absolutely hate it.

Personally I am happy to tell people my views on pretty much anything if they asked me. I'd never mooch over to someone playing game X and start going on how crap it was, and how company X makes rubbish rules, horrible models and kills kittens by beating them to death with puppies though...

**scarletsquig**

Being a douchebag is not linked to any particular like or dislike that a person has, it is linked to that person being a douchebag, and the douche will show through whether they are a golfer who likes to whack his balls with a certain brand of metal stick or a wargamer who likes to play with X brand of space dollies instead of Y brand of space dollies.

All you can do at the end of the day is to make sure your own behaviour is fine, that way, the douchebag looks like the odd one out and people start to notice.

Also, being nice in response actually annoys the living crap out of people who are trying to get a rise out of you. Works just as well online as it does IRL.

**xxvaderxx**

. Of course, what also happens every time are the comments; former 40k players will denounce GW, and those who have never played will openly complain about the prices; this happens without provocation. Every time.

Sure the guy that interrupted you 2 was a douche, but:

1- If i were to start a hobby, specially an overly expensive one, i would welcome the advice of the local community.

2- I think you are mistaking an attack, with a REALITY.

**SagesStone**

These elitist camps are a rather pathetic way for someone to try and put themselves above others, they're in nearly everything really.
I myself don't like the outrageous prices, but I've found that I'd rather joke about them than start a complaint thread on Dakka; all the complaining would do is throw me onto a bunch of ignore lists.

**Shadowbrand**

And really all the energy spent complaining on the forums could be spent on something much more productive...Like painting your bloody army!

**-Loki-**

chromedog wrote:The biggest deterrent to WM/H building up a following here is the players.

The game is fine, the models are fine. The players are blow-hards.

I was actually interested in playing WM/H with some of the locals until I heard the same from my FLGS owner. Basically, it's a great game, but it attracts the absolute worst of the worst. It's basically enter at your own risk. I'd rather play a flawed system with good people than a good system with donkey-caves.

**Sidstyler**

Ledabot wrote:from other 40k players shouting faction prejudice.

I don't get that at all. Faction prejudice is not only mind-numbingly fething stupid, it's made me consider giving the damn game up before.

**chromedog**

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:
When you use terms like the one bolded I cannot but imagine that these foul 40k and WmH players might have other issues with you than that you use too much of their terrain

That one bolded term I got FROM one of those hallowed 40k and WM/H players you seem to speak so reverently about.
THEY OPENLY refer to their game as such. They also freely use terms like "sl*t" and other less pleasant terms of reference to the "fairer" sex.

We no longer play in THEIR store. They can have it. We have a venue that's closer to me, has 20-odd infinity players a meet (alongside FoW, WHFB, SAGA, and KoW/Warpath), and we have beer.
We don't need their store, and they aren't the sort who would be allowed into our venue (private hire of function room - but we still have to abide by the venue rules, and it has a very strict "Zero Tolerance" one on language.).

As I mentioned, we only used the terrain when none of them were playing anyway. So it had ZERO effect on their game playing (they play WM/H on wednesday nights (5-10pm), and 40k on Thursday nights (5-10pm) anyway. We were playing infinity on TUESDAY afternoons (12-3pm). No clash, no overlap, but still they complained. There weren't even any magic players in the store at that time. It's the slow day.

**RatBot**

Guy sounds like a total ass.

If anyone asks me about WHFB/40K, I discourage them from playing, but, well, no one asks me.

I slag off on GW online, sure, but I wouldn't butt in on someone's 40K game or demo game and be all "Hurr durr ur game sux play (game x)."

I mean, Christ, they're just damn games.

**sparkywtf**

I am surprised no one has advised about talking to the store owner about the guy.

If he does it once, he will keep doing it. It will sadly push people away. Store owners won't like it when people are pushing away others. I know one guy who banned a few magic players from the store because they other players couldn't stand his antics. It is better to lose 1-2 bad apples than to have them push away prospective customers.

Although I do kind of agree on Warmahordes players being... less than polite. Although we don't have many at the LGS I go to, it has been heard of. Luckily they wouldn't last long there either. Same would go with the 40k/whfb players.

Also, I do laugh when magic players say that 40k is too expensive for them. Most of their purchases end up costing more than the average 40k purchase (barring a few of us who spend a couple hundred at a time)

**Ascalam**

I've found SOME Warmahordes players to be fething rude, but i've found more 40K players to be.

Same goes for being a WAAC, TFG, Rules Lawyer etc..

Then again i've met more 40K players, over a longer time.

I'd say both systems have their share of unpleasant a-holes, but neither seems to have more than the other in my experience, really.

In tournament play the ace-holes tend to crop up more often for either system, but i've not noticed one being more obnoxious than the other.

I guess it really depends on your local scene. Several of the 40K 'aces' are also Warmahordes 'aces' anyway, as they play both systems

Neither is anywhere near as rude as some of the gak i've had from Magic Players or the Yu-Gi-Oh kids

**heartserenade**

I think this song is appropriate for this:

**Poppabear**

When the haters come, just put on your best troll face and every time they try and speak to you... TROLLFACE!

**Ledabot**

Sidstyler wrote:
Ledabot wrote: from other 40k players shouting faction prejudice.

I don't get that at all . Faction prejudice is not only mind-numbingly fething stupid, it's made me consider giving the damn game up before.

I know what you mean. I haven’t ever one a game that badly that I hate people for it. I do wish that some of the more competitive people I play with would tone down there lists a bit, give me a fighting chance. I've found clubs a good source of different play styles that have helped me find a wider range of people to play with. I didn't stop people finding heaps of reasons why the guys I play should go die.

Ascalam wrote:I've found SOME Warmahordes players to be fething rude, but i've found more 40K players to be.

Maybe having a generally larger hobby means that more of the bad types get into the system. It seems so far that the amount of bad stuff we have heard about seems to be proportional to the popularity of the system they play.

Ascalam wrote:Neither is anywhere near as rude as some of the gak I’ve had from Magic Players or the Yu-Gi-Oh kids

our flgs is mostly taken up by card gamers. They never bat an eyelid at us. I guess were lucky. Heck if they did I'd probably make an extremely inside joke with them about the current metagame.