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htj wrote:Much as I'd like to see a new Codex for my SoB, I will face the unlikeliness of that and say:

Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Daemons
Eldar

In that order.

Experiment 626 wrote:Chaos Daemons need options & new units badly. Again, the book is stale because you only have 1 choice per god in each section of the foce org chart outside of HQ's. We desperately need more shooting to be able to compete in the mechhammer environment that's everywhere. We're crying for a way to alter/boost our reserve rolls - for ceying out loud, we *have* to get something when we're forced to start fighting with only 50% of our army on turn 1! Some form of psychic defense is an absolute must s psychic powers are getting deadlier nowadays, and some psychic powers of our own would be nifty as well

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'd like to see them be better at deep-striking too.

We're actually pretty good at deep striking - you simply have to be smart about it. Sure Icons could do with being cheaper and it would be nice to see at least one Slaaneshii unit get an ability to assault when it lands ala 'heroic intervention' type rule.

Still, as a Daemon player, I'd much rather have the ability to +1/re-roll a reserve roll/s and get my army on the table in a timely manner like most other armies can! Seriously, reserves suck when your HoK + 16 Blood(less)letters fail 28 consecutive reserve rolls and refuse to show-up untill turn 5!

For me it would be a simple case of having Icons take effect as soon as they hit the board, rather than having to start the turn there. But I agree about the reserves thing, having to reserve half your army can really screw you over sometimes.

I'd like to add one codex rather than see a new one...

DEATHWATCH!!!

That is all.

Puscifer wrote:I'd like to add one codex rather than see a new one...

DEATHWATCH!!!

That is all.

Nah, IMO Deathwatch should be a squad based mini-game, kind of like Kill Team or Necromunda.

We had a DW Kill Team in a Necromunda Campaign I played in.

I was the only player to outright kill a marine. Lascannon to the face!!!

Tadashi wrote:Chaos Space Marines deserve it the best, though the Eldar and the Orks tie for second IMO...Tau, not so much.

And I also want to see Codex: Blood Ravens with their own special characters, and the mystery behind their origins cleaned up (Thousand Sons Legion Fourth Fellowship FTW):
1) Chapter Master Gabriel Angelos
2) Captain Apollo Diomedes
3) Venerable Dreadnought Davian Thule
And so on...

Except Blood Ravens are deserve a codex less than just about everything else in the entire fluff.

They have characters with names? cool. So does every chapter. The ones in the codex are MUCH bigger deals than Gabriel Angelos, all space marines, and all their leaders, are heroic. They are a codex chapter. Literally the only distinguishing point is that they have slightly more librarians than most. So what?

Literally any faction could create a new related codex more useful than Blood Ravens. i.e. codices for different ork clans, Farsight Enclaves codes, codex: White Scars etc.

And why would orks need a new codex? They were released in 4th ed, meant for fifth edition. They are as up to date as any 5th ed codex, and are not weak in any way, so why would they get a new codex?

The whole point of this is to give codices to outdated armies that are struggling to cope with fifth edition, like SoB, Tau, Eldar etc.


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Puscifer wrote:I'd like to add one codex rather than see a new one...

DEATHWATCH!!!

That is all.

I like it.

It would give you a chance to play an all-veteran force, that is specialed anti-xenos the same way GK are anti-daemon, it would be interesting in it's execution.

Yes just what we need, another 'dex that is 100% OP vs specific armies... Yipee!

I'd rather see the Deathwatch added as new HQ choice to Codex: Space Marines personally. Pay +Xpts for a Deathwatch Captain + 4 Deathwatch marines. Captain can upgrade to libby w/force stick/psy hood for +Ypts, add upto 5 additional Deathwatch marines for +Zpts/model.
Give options to buy specific ammo rounds, 0-2 heavy b's w/suspensor units for the 'assault' type buff, add veteran status for +pts/model which can take power toys/fist etc upgrades.

Much better than shoehorning them into a codex of their own, especially considering how badly GW gakked up the GK mess vs Daemons, and the fact that the Deathwatch aren't a proper army...

If the rumors are true that a Legion codex is coming out next with a Renegades FAQ on the current dex I cannot wait to see how they do it. Chaos is first, then of course Dark Angels need an update and get their ID back. After that Tau, I love the firewarrior models but they are don't do much in-game. After that I'd like to see Eldar (or maybe swapped with Tau).

htj wrote:For me it would be a simple case of having Icons take effect as soon as they hit the board, rather than having to start the turn there. But I agree about the reserves thing, having to reserve half your army can really screw you over sometimes.

Or let your reserve rolls get bonuses/reduced scatter any time there is a psyker on the board, with cumulative benefits, as that connection to the warp makes it easier for the demons to find you, and you using psychic powers thins the warp to allow them passage....


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Also I voted Tau, but if SoB had been up there I'd have voted for them, too.

@OP, why aren't sisters up there? that white dwarf 'codex' doesn't really count as an update.

Nom

Experiment 626 wrote:Yes just what we need, another 'dex that is 100% OP vs specific armies... Yipee!

I'd rather see the Deathwatch added as new HQ choice to Codex: Space Marines personally. Pay +Xpts for a Deathwatch Captain + 4 Deathwatch marines. Captain can upgrade to libby w/force stick/psy hood for +Ypts, add upto 5 additional Deathwatch marines for +Zpts/model.
Give options to buy specific ammo rounds, 0-2 heavy b's w/suspensor units for the 'assault' type buff, add veteran status for +pts/model which can take power toys/fist etc upgrades.

Much better than shoehorning them into a codex of their own, especially considering how badly GW gakked up the GK mess vs Daemons, and the fact that the Deathwatch aren't a proper army...

I don't care if they're an army or a choice...I just want to play as deathwatch.

And they could always make them very expensive and good against xenos, so that they are slightly underwhelming vs regular armies, and have somewhat of a leg up against xenos...

I dunno, I'm tired.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:Yes just what we need, another 'dex that is 100% OP vs specific armies... Yipee!

I'd rather see the Deathwatch added as new HQ choice to Codex: Space Marines personally. Pay +Xpts for a Deathwatch Captain + 4 Deathwatch marines. Captain can upgrade to libby w/force stick/psy hood for +Ypts, add upto 5 additional Deathwatch marines for +Zpts/model.
Give options to buy specific ammo rounds, 0-2 heavy b's w/suspensor units for the 'assault' type buff, add veteran status for +pts/model which can take power toys/fist etc upgrades.

Much better than shoehorning them into a codex of their own, especially considering how badly GW gakked up the GK mess vs Daemons, and the fact that the Deathwatch aren't a proper army...

I don't care if they're an army or a choice...I just want to play as deathwatch.

And they could always make them very expensive and good against xenos, so that they are slightly underwhelming vs regular armies, and have somewhat of a leg up against xenos...

I dunno, I'm tired.

The old Deathwatch rules should still be legal, but it'd basically be like taking a squad of sternguard with a cap or librarian. Play em as sternguard if no one will fight against them with the special rules.

Tau, mostly because I'd like to see a revamp of the models and some tweaking of point values and FoC organization. The other armies listed are still mostly competitive, even if they aren't in step with the recent power creep.

After Tau, I'd say Daemons, then SoB (plastic kits and a real codex, anyone?)

spectreoneone wrote:Tau, mostly because I'd like to see a revamp of the models and some tweaking of point values and FoC organization. The other armies listed are still mostly competitive, even if they aren't in step with the recent power creep.

After Tau, I'd say Daemons, then SoB (plastic kits and a real codex, anyone?)

Tau can still be competitive. I won against both IG Blob and Orks today in a 1v1v1, 8-2-1 kill points.

And I would flip gak if they changed the models. Maybe add some models and make plastic/resin kits for broadsides and commanders, but not change the aesthetics.

I agree certain points need adjusting. Make kroot 6 points, FW 8, D-fish 50-60, stealthsuits 20 etc. Plus making us buy more models would be more profitable for GW...not sure why they don't do it...

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

spectreoneone wrote:Tau, mostly because I'd like to see a revamp of the models and some tweaking of point values and FoC organization. The other armies listed are still mostly competitive, even if they aren't in step with the recent power creep.

After Tau, I'd say Daemons, then SoB (plastic kits and a real codex, anyone?)

Tau can still be competitive. I won against both IG Blob and Orks today in a 1v1v1, 8-2-1 kill points.

And I would flip gak if they changed the models. Maybe add some models and make plastic/resin kits for broadsides and commanders, but not change the aesthetics.

I agree certain points need adjusting. Make kroot 6 points, FW 8, D-fish 50-60, stealthsuits 20 etc. Plus making us buy more models would be more profitable for GW...not sure why they don't do it...

Any army can be competitive, but Tau are one of the most unforviging armies in the game. Unless you're playing an utter tactical moron, if you make one mistake, it can cost you the game.

As with the models...I want them to fix just a few key things: beef up the ankles on the Crisis suits, bitz for all of the wargear options, multi-part legs like on the FW versions, mount the railguns on the Broads like the FW versions (hell, just give me a plastic version of that one...). I'm not looking for an overall aesthetic change, just make the fething Crisis suits look like they're machines of war, not a box with legs (don't get me started with Dreads...).

I say Tau, though I am kinda biased, me being a Tau player.

Chaos ( they are almost unusable)
DA (i just want some options and my identity back)
Eldar (Fix them to be a legit option again.)
Tau (really still useful but they do need to be recosted)
Demons(they have some useful units)
Orks (Recost em)
Black templar and SOB ( should be redone but either release a codex or squat em.)

Puscifer wrote:

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

Puscifer wrote:So Tau are next?

Hmmm... I thought Dark Angels were next, followed by Eldar, followed by 6th Ed.

We've had nothing concrete soooo....

There have been so many tau rumours, telling true from false is not even slightly possible.


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Looking at the finecast models (and more recently the advance orders) i noticed one HUGE changing factor. Almost all of the Eldar metal models are now finecast, meanwhile tau only have 2. Games workshop only finecast what is going to be kept over, i noticed this with necrons.

Just another reason tau may be next

That's a very very good point.

Well I just went to order a Tau Commander and Commander Farsight from my local GW store and got "advised" to wait a couple of months.

I'll take it as salt for the moment, but I think I might just wait a bit.

Voted for Tau, but I've never played them and never plan to. I would have voted for CSM but I don't want them to get a new book right before a new edition drops

Tau, without question. Everyone else is still reasonably competitive, while Tau are pretty much a complete mess. They're also pretty unique within the rest of the rules and story, so seeing them become viable (and thus seeing them make a return to the tabletop at the FLGS) would be nice.

Chaos Space Marines.

I think Tau need it but chaos, as said before, deserves it.

I am still doing ok with my Tau. The recent Forgeworld approved stuff has been pretty cool and has given me some new toys to play with. I would rather wait until after 6th edition releases so we can get a really updated codex.

spectreoneone wrote:

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

spectreoneone wrote:Tau, mostly because I'd like to see a revamp of the models and some tweaking of point values and FoC organization. The other armies listed are still mostly competitive, even if they aren't in step with the recent power creep.

After Tau, I'd say Daemons, then SoB (plastic kits and a real codex, anyone?)

Tau can still be competitive. I won against both IG Blob and Orks today in a 1v1v1, 8-2-1 kill points.

And I would flip gak if they changed the models. Maybe add some models and make plastic/resin kits for broadsides and commanders, but not change the aesthetics.

I agree certain points need adjusting. Make kroot 6 points, FW 8, D-fish 50-60, stealthsuits 20 etc. Plus making us buy more models would be more profitable for GW...not sure why they don't do it...

Any army can be competitive, but Tau are one of the most unforviging armies in the game. Unless you're playing an utter tactical moron, if you make one mistake, it can cost you the game.

As with the models...I want them to fix just a few key things: beef up the ankles on the Crisis suits, bitz for all of the wargear options, multi-part legs like on the FW versions, mount the railguns on the Broads like the FW versions (hell, just give me a plastic version of that one...). I'm not looking for an overall aesthetic change, just make the fething Crisis suits look like they're machines of war, not a box with legs (don't get me started with Dreads...).

I agree tau are hard to play, but they are not weak like some people say. They need to be redone, and ASAP if it isn't too much to ask, but they are not useless yet.

I agree with that. I thought you meant major aesthetic change and I was rattled. I agree: every crisis suit box should have special issue weapons, should have shield drones, should be more pose-able...And the ankles do need to be a bit thicker. It looks weird when they're standing. Admittedly, it is not that bad when you model them as being in flight, but still...Another problem I have with crisis suits is that they have necks that are just way too long. I ALWAYS shorten the necks on mine, and in fact I wish I could shorten it enough to make the collar look like errant armour.

Other than that, make broadsides capable of posing with either railguns up or low, so we can do whichever pose we want, and make them plastic. Commander need to be plastic too.

The only codex that should get an update before the templars is the Tau which is understandable. But even if the Templars are still competitive there still a fourth gen codex and are long overdue for an update.

captain collius wrote:Chaos ( they are almost unusable)
DA (i just want some options and my identity back)
Eldar (Fix them to be a legit option again.)
Tau (really still useful but they do need to be recosted)
Demons(they have some useful units)
Orks (Recost em)
Black templar and SOB ( should be redone but either release a codex or squat em.)

Putting Orks before Templars and SoB makes me want to bang my head into a wall...