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I like young'uns, I think its just because some fat nerds like to act "awesome" about the hobby because they generally suck at life.

I mean, I'm only half joking, I'm great at sports, intelligent, confident, women adore me, my life is awesome, so why have an issue about saying "I suck!" or "well done, you soundly thrashed me!" to a kid? Or smiling and shutting my mouth if they are merely being young and boisterous and enjoying their hobby?

I'm of the opinion that the fatter you are and the more cheetos you eat, the more you will demand respect from strangers simply because you are older than they are. You dont deserve any.

Like the nerds who take everything too seriously in any hobby, so you get in Warhammer. Everyone has met someone like that, be it a mate with 12 world of warcraft characters or a bloke with an encyclopaedic knowledge of Red Dwarf, you always get a clever bastard who think they should be treated with respect just because they know more about one tiny facet of life than you do. Said hobby.

Age doesn't demand respect. I respect a bright teen more than a dense 30 year old. But I digress, the entire answer can be summed up in two words.

Elitist nerds.

You know what, Matty?

Next time you're in NE, or I'm in the UK, we need to have a game.

It would be terrifying, and I'm pretty sure it would be the only 40K game ever to have a bodycount, but it would be glorious.

I have absolutely no hate for the young gamer.
It's a fact of life that a 40 yr old and a 15 yr old have no business trying to act like peers.
If I'm interacting with a 15 yr old, its because I'm his mentor or his relative, otherwise our culture, experiences, and outlook are too different for it to be beneficial for either of us.

Amongst other things, younger players:

1) attract enemy radar
2) generally don't wash
3) damage my models
4) make strange noises
5) listen to rubbish music at loud volumes
6) Point to a leman russ and ask is that a tank?
7) cheat and use loaded dice
8) Have their mothers next to them.

etc etc.

The only younger players at our FLGS are the kind that cheat to win. Hard. Like rolling dice and saying they passed when there's a few 1's. Or fubaring general rules like who strikes first in melee.

Baseline hate can come from how someone acts or what army they play. Otherwise, you should be fine if you're nice and such.

I don't care for our youngins because they have a poor grasp on the rules and then second guess me when I correct them.

Last game I played with them one of them was moving his Tau as both jump infantry AND jetpacks, so 12" move and the 6" slide after.

Another time, I had to spend about 20 minutes going over the assault rules with them in the middle of a game, explanation of why you'd still need to make a difficult terrain test is apparently hard.

They generally have attention issues also. It usually takes about 4 hours there to play even a small game.

This obviously doesn't apply to ALL the kids these days, but this is the list of reasons I dislike my particular set of them.

Piston Honda wrote: Joined my gaming group at 17 and got a "F-U" like welcoming for about 4 years mostly no other reason other than I was young and the new guy.

And you suffered that for 4 years? Wow, Did the club have unlimited booze or ladies of negotiable affection to hand?

matphat wrote:I have absolutely no hate for the young gamer.
It's a fact of life that a 40 yr old and a 15 yr old have no business trying to act like peers.
If I'm interacting with a 15 yr old, its because I'm his mentor or his relative, otherwise our culture, experiences, and outlook are too different for it to be beneficial for either of us.

This, but I'm in my 50s and have grandkids that age........................

I'm 13, My army is well painted, I read the rulebook for a month, and I always tend to use the WYSIWYG.
I'm probably the youngest at our club. Haven't won a single game but got atleast a draw.
I know there is this "hate" going on for younglings in the game/hobby but aren't there some unlike that attitude? I probably earned some respect from the other players at my FLGS. Usually in their 20s though. I usually stay silent and watch other players play around 1500-2500 points of 40k or fantasy. Minding what units that can nerf my marines/tau. When I first came to the club everyone was friendly/helpful. An sm player let me borrow some of his minis so we can play a 1k game.
I get the hate thread on the younglings. Disrespectful,cheaters,whiners, and other nasty things but there are some okay ones?

Just my 2 cents

Chowderhead wrote:You know what, Matty?

Next time you're in NE, or I'm in the UK, we need to have a game.

It would be terrifying, and I'm pretty sure it would be the only 40K game ever to have a bodycount, but it would be glorious.

Ill let you know next time I'm over that way, I said Id take the missus to New York and Boston this summer.

Took my Dark Eldar to the shop for the first time. It's been month's since i've played 40k. And I generally find several of the younger gamers at my club very annoying. There is a group of four that's volume gets -really- loud. And the fellow whom I played with would every five minutes. Go over to the other table and see what the before mentioned group was doing. Not even bloody playing but rambling about some anime they watch.

However a pair of the younger gamers are quite polite. Can focus unless their peers are constantly yakking. And play a mean green tide.

We have a couple young gamers at my store 1 is actually a frelling serious fantasy player 1. who plays 40k but he seems to be att the store more because his brother is there. and a few others who come and go. they all do the wandering away thing and it bugs me.

but that said if you want respect i think a few key steps always work
1. Play fairly and don't rage
2. Paint your army (no one requires htis but when you playa fully painted army people respect the work you have put in.)
3. Be friendly talk to people
4. Ignore the trolls

DPBellathrom wrote:In my area they are hated for a good reason:

very immature, never bother to learn rules/look in their codex, act as if they can take anyone on and constantly ask stupid questions/dont shut the feth up/make stupid noises. I am obliged to tolerate them but damn are they annoying

About the rules i agree. Was gaming against a 14 year old and he shouted at me now i am gonna use my missile launcher at you! And i asked at him. ''Frag or krak?'' And he looked at me with a face that said what the feth are those 2 things. Maybe its just because that the majority of my friends are either 2 years older then me or non existent but i do actually understand it a little. But some people just say i hate kids because they are kids and when i ask him why he just says ALL kids are impolite. And with a pretty angry face i reply that he should get his facts straight and he walks away saying that im just a kid. Honestly if you like the hobby kid or not you should either like painting or gaming allot. Otherwise i shamefully admit that you just don't like the hobby enough.
I suck at painting but i try. But i learned almost all the rules and all the tau rules in around a month. And when gaming i wont need a lesson except when it comes to the finer arts of the game. But then again the gamers with who i play are prepared to learn me tactics because i am polite.

I really wish people would understand the meaning of the word "hate" since it's probably entirely too strong a term to use in 99% of the cases it's used in. I'd classify the general view of younger players isn't "hate" but rather "moderate irritation". Some of this viewpoint is supported by the fact that many younger gamers are fairly irresponsible, forgetful, or immature. I can't say I wasn't one or all of these things at different times myself, but some people can't handle that. I personally wouldn't have a problem playing with a 15 year old kid (that's when I started after all) as long as they weren't a total spaz.

I'm a young gamer. But compared to the other kids my age (12-15), I'm glad they don't treat me like that. The Warhammer/40k games seems to be geared more tword the older people who have longer attention span. For some reason most people treat me with more respect right off the bat than others. Also I won a few competitions during special celebrations which probably helped

Anyone who hates younglings clearly isn't cooking them properly.

/\lol

As a 15 year old I find it strange. I can see if the kid is an aggravating little punk. But I think we should get a chance to prove ourselves first. Not get kicked to the curb on first sight for something like age.

Mastiff wrote:Anyone who hates younglings clearly isn't cooking them properly.

Exalted

True there is stereotyping and prejudice but that weeds out the people who want instant gratification, and the one s who actually wants to play.

I have no issue with younger gamers, it's even enjoyable sometimes to help someone learn how to play, my issue is their parents. Trust me, after you've endured some psycho-mum ranting at you for twenty minutes and calling you a paedophile for giving their 14 year old a "good game" handshake, you'll be much less eager to game against anyone under 18 too.

Great White wrote:/\lol

As a 15 year old I find it strange. I can see if the kid is an aggravating little punk. But I think we should get a chance to prove ourselves first. Not get kicked to the curb on first sight for something like age.

I agree, everyone (regardless of age, gender, race, etc.) is entitled to a chance to prove themselves.

[quote=[So]Rice]If you are a younger gamer and want to be treated like everyone else, paint your armies. Although I was (and still am) rubbish at the game, first tournament I went to, I showed up with this:



I won best painted army, but I needed a TON of help with the rules and non of my opponents got mad with me or anything.

I havent really experienced any hate towards me, Me being fifteen. Actually at my gaming store the guy there is constantly talking to me and giving me advice.

However, one of my older friends who was just getting back into the hobby wasent familiar to the rules and they just told him to leave. I geuss it depends all on how well you know the game. xP

In my small circle of gaming buddies at my LGS, I have yet to see real "hate" for younger gamers or even new gamers. I joined the store at 18 (so no not really a kid but still quite a bit younger than the other players and I was new to the hobby.) and I was met with some really nice guys and here a few months later I tend to attract a little bit of a crowd when I go in. Lots of friendly banter and gaming going on. The thing that tends to bug me (and not even all that much at this point) are players, regardless of age, doing most of what has already been said. The only other one that drives me nuts is gamers (or anyone) who swears constantly. I know it's my personal decision to try to not swear and I don't expect the same out of everyone else, but when they don't even name their units but just replace the name with an expletive it tends to get on my nerves. Especially since I feel for any of the parents with (well mannered) kids that are just coming in to buy some cards.

Really, how you are being treated is a direct result of how you are acting. I'm currently 22, but have been a fairly mature person all of my life in regards to "spaz" or "attention span". However, that is not just it. Something my father taught me when I was very young is your attitude and how you handle yourself is everything when it comes to respect. If you can handle yourself at an equal level as the person you are attempting to gain respect from, than it will come naturally. If people's interpretation of you is that you are a bright lad with a good head on your shoulders you will find mass amounts of respect as people are taking you seriously, and accessing your worth by your actions and discussions. However, if people's interpretation of you is that you are just a snot nosed little kid than you are going to be treated that way, even if "when game time comes" you are just as well behaved as anyone else.

What I talked about above is also one reason why adults prefer to play with adults. It is a natural part of adult life to "have" to act a certain way, whether it be work or around a social authority. Younger kids on the other hand typical respond to such situations with a naturally rebellious attitude, wanting to "be themselves" and going way overboard with it. This translates easily into when the time comes to play a semi-serious game with strategy. An Adult will easily be able to adapt to the situation, keep their cool, and act how they obviously are expected too. However, it's a crap shoot when you are dealing with kids. They may understand and act accordingly, they may not understand, or worse they may understand and choose the opposite because they don't like being "controlled".

Just ensure that your attitude when, at all times, around your FLGS relates to exactly how you want to be treated and you will get the respect you deserve. However, if you are hitting many walls when you are at your FLGS with being accept you may want to take a step back and access your own behavior...maybe something you are doing is causing it (even if it doesn't seem a big deal to you).

I'll play against anyone provided they follow a few simple rules.

1) At least have a general idea how the game is played
2) Focus on the game and try not to get distracted
3) If you don't know what you're doing, warn me before hand and I'll be happy to walk you through things (If you don't then I turn into a bloodletter and we don't like that)
4) If you have friends/fam/whoever with you - Tell them to keep their traps shut (Ties into rule 2 but whatever)

If we can get through all of those then I'll play against you. I don't care if you're a man/woman/thing gay/lesbo/bi/Tzeetch white/black/red/yellow/pink plastic models die the same no matter the general.

It's a case by case basis for me. Some kids are cool and fun to play, others just annoy me. Of course, kids with psycho moms need not apply. I'm just gonna skip that one, thanks.

I know many people that cant stand young ones ( 7-13) because they give them a hard time.
Yet Im perfectly fine with them since they all follow one simple rule.

They either respect you and do everything you say
or they dont and give you a hard time.

I was a kid when I started playing 40k 25 years ago or so.

My friends and I did not exhibit the behavior kids do now. I think it was to a large part that there weren't GW stores in the USA back then and you had to track this game down at a game store and I believe there were fewer back then, so it was sort of self-filtering...

My problems with kids in game stores now are:
1) No respect for my property: they go thru my zipped up bag and take my models and books and supplies out, they damage my model usually by knocking the model with the tape measure to show that they are attacking it, and trying to walk away with my stuff

2) A passing interest in the game: don't know much about the rules or fluff

3) Freaking out when things don't go their way

Granted there are adults that are like this too, but there are fewer of them.

Also, back in 1987 it was a big deal when an adult wanted to play one of us kids and we respected our elders back then. I just don't see that much now.

I have less time and more responsibilities than a 10 to 14 year old and I'd rather play and adult with: painted models, knows the rules, understands the fluff, and won't be distracted during the game; I'd rather play them with my very limited play time.

Somebody is going to chime in and say the children are our future. Sure, but my friends and I did it on our own with very little aide from the adults in the game store so why can't the kids now-a-days do the same?

Also, I don't want to be your babysitter.

We're advancing science and technology at an unparalleled pace throughout history, but much like the Imperium, our culture is becoming stagnant and less capable of supporting these new responsibilities. I agree that in my short time on this earth, every generation after mine seems to be getting more and more immature and we seek instant gratification more often through outlets that do not support creativity and imagination in the same ways as music, art, and literature has. "Idiocracy" is more prevalent than ever, because our pleasures can be given to us quicker and in more powerful doses than before without any responsibility or even work. In doing so we lose interest in these hobbies because of the time investment required to achieve success. It's the same thing all over the place, when we don't have to work hard for something, we no longer appreciate it's value.

Frigging cell phones. That's all I have to say.