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I have noticed that there is a certain hate for the young hobbyists not a huge one but it does exist.
So i want to know why?
An example. I am 15 years old, i play tau its my first army. My painting is gakky and my gaming skills are less then descent.
But when i play i am always polite. I admire the paint jobs of the guys in my FLGS and never go whine about cheese.
So i was wondering why the hate.

I'm younger than most gamers. I mostly get flak because some of the gamers who are my age come to my local GW and act like Richards and TFGs.

Like trying to cheat or whine about my playstyle.

I'm a semi-decent painter, quite a poor gamer, but I'm getting closer and closer to success.

There's a certain amount of hate for any given group. Don't mind that. If you are decent player yourself, people will view you not as part of the stereotypical group, but as this specific guy who is a decent player.

The main problem is probably that a lot of older gamers will assume a lack of earned respect.

I'll explain....

Respect is earned, and that takes time.
The older a person/gamer is, people guess that respect has already been earned, and they treat them better automatically.
So, a younger person is less likely to have earned that respect, and have an uphill struggle.

It's also not going to be helped by the childish behaviour that gaming often brings out in people, old and young.

So, keep going the way you are.
Ask people for tips on their painting. Ask others how they think you can change your gaming to get better.
Don't overdo it, and the more you fit in, the better you will be treated.

It's not just a hobbyist thing. Get the hang of it in gaming, it will help later on.
Assumptions are a pain, and there is not much you can do about it. For every young gamer who does what you are doing, there's another who will set the bar back down for the next gamer who comes along.

In my area, the young'uns get no respec' because of how they behave (not saying the olders don't do this as well - but they cop the same crap for doing it).

Constantly leaving the table to check something else out.
Not declaring what they are rolling dice for.
Paying more attention to their MytwitterFaceSpacebook account on their phones than on the game.
Ragequitting after 1 turn (and or throwing ANYTHING, this means tantrums, dice, models, whatever).
Cheating and/or not playing by the rules of the game.
Using "verse" as a verb.
(As in "I versed him to a game.". Anyone using "verse" as a verb in my club has to do a 5 minute poetry improv on the spot or be mocked.).

If you can play a game without any of the above happening, then you will gain my respect. If not, you will not only not have my respect, you can expect to be roundly mocked.

Can't say you are wrong, there is animus towards younger gamers and younger people general. "Young people don't have the life's experience to form a legitimate opinion on life". Think young people are also associated in being too hyper or unable to sit at a table a play what is more of a tedious game compared to video games which are generally associated with being trigger happy games.

At one time I was the young guy in my gaming (I'm now the second youngest). Joined my gaming group at 17 and got a "F-U" like welcoming for about 4 years mostly no other reason other than I was young and the new guy.

Past year we got a new gamer and he has been getting the cold shoulder from just about the entire group.

Don't really care about the age as long as you can

play the game with some ability (don't mind helping out n00bs)
be honest
bring a good attitude
Not act like a jerk

Just unfortunate guilty by association.

chromedog wrote:In my area, the young'uns get no respec' because of how they behave (not saying the olders don't do this as well - but they cop the same crap for doing it).

Constantly leaving the table to check something else out.
Not declaring what they are rolling dice for.
Paying more attention to their MytwitterFaceSpacebook account on their phones than on the game.
Ragequitting after 1 turn (and or throwing ANYTHING, this means tantrums, dice, models, whatever).
Cheating and/or not playing by the rules of the game.
Using "verse" as a verb.
(As in "I versed him to a game.". Anyone using "verse" as a verb in my club has to do a 5 minute poetry improv on the spot or be mocked.).

If you can play a game without any of the above happening, then you will gain my respect. If not, you will not only not have my respect, you can expect to be roundly mocked.

Well how about this. You declare what you shoot at but your opponent just doesn't look so you have to do your whole shooting again because he thinks its unfair.

chromedog wrote:
Ragequitting after 1 turn (and or throwing ANYTHING, this means tantrums, dice, models, whatever).

This sucks when it happens.

Worse when someone takes their magic deck and chucks it right in your face.




Got 60 free cards though.

admiral9 wrote:

chromedog wrote:In my area, the young'uns get no respec' because of how they behave (not saying the olders don't do this as well - but they cop the same crap for doing it).

Constantly leaving the table to check something else out.
Not declaring what they are rolling dice for.
Paying more attention to their MytwitterFaceSpacebook account on their phones than on the game.
Ragequitting after 1 turn (and or throwing ANYTHING, this means tantrums, dice, models, whatever).
Cheating and/or not playing by the rules of the game.
Using "verse" as a verb.
(As in "I versed him to a game.". Anyone using "verse" as a verb in my club has to do a 5 minute poetry improv on the spot or be mocked.).

If you can play a game without any of the above happening, then you will gain my respect. If not, you will not only not have my respect, you can expect to be roundly mocked.

Well how about this. You declare what you shoot at but your opponent just doesn't look so you have to do your whole shooting again because he thinks its unfair.

I know that people gave shoved my models back with the back of their hand and made me measure an inch on my Tape Measure... This was 5 scouts...

Oh i remember that one the old shove 'n measure.
It made me missile launchers impossible to get a good shot.

Theres plenty of younger gamers at the club I go to (probably ages 12-15 I imagine) most are fine to game with.

The only things that annoy me is if they have half an army proxied with anything they can find, or they just dont know how to play at all, but to be fair everyone has to start somewhere.

Lastly and least commonly they have some soft drink and get all hyper then its just hard to play a game while they bounce off the walls.

Xeriapt wrote:Theres plenty of younger gamers at the club I go to (probably ages 12-15 I imagine) most are fine to game with.

The only things that annoy me is if they have half an army proxied with anything they can find, or they just dont know how to play at all, but to be fair everyone has to start somewhere.

Lastly and least commonly they have some soft drink and get all hyper then its just hard to play a game while they bounce off the walls.

I know that I've been yelled at a couple of times for leaving a game, as I'm checking my Blood Sugars.

If I have, Hypoglycemia, I'll act quite hyper, which has gotten me yelled at before

I just hate kids. Has nothing to do with whether they're on the other side of the table or not.

Still, I do my best to treat them politely and with the respect I would want them to give me. Just because you dislike someone doesn't mean you can't be civil.

I typically try not to play kids. As a 24 year old, "Kid" to me is the range of 12-16, possibly including 17 or 18 if they haven't matured enough to play without throwing a tantrum and without botching rules constantly. I'm okay with mistakes from anyone for the most part, but if I'm reading the rulebook to you for two hours, I'd rather just miss out on the game. Honestly, I don't like kids in much of any sense. I will say some are okay, and I realize it's harder for them to be taken seriously and earn respect. Once they do earn it, however, I'll stand behind them if someone else does try to slag them over minor issues.

The difference is that older gamers invest in their interests. Kids have no attention span, and the investment comes from their parents. There's no proof of a real interest, and so they seem to be be treated as outsiders (somewhat understandably) for that reason.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Xeriapt wrote:Theres plenty of younger gamers at the club I go to (probably ages 12-15 I imagine) most are fine to game with.

The only things that annoy me is if they have half an army proxied with anything they can find, or they just dont know how to play at all, but to be fair everyone has to start somewhere.

Lastly and least commonly they have some soft drink and get all hyper then its just hard to play a game while they bounce off the walls.

I know that I've been yelled at a couple of times for leaving a game, as I'm checking my Blood Sugars.

If I have, Hypoglycemia, I'll act quite hyper, which has gotten me yelled at before

Yes but that is an actual reason. Its different that when you walk away because you need to twit or chat with a friend.
I honestly don't even get that chatting during a game. You need to keep concentrating on the game not keep yourself distracted.

admiral9 wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Xeriapt wrote:Theres plenty of younger gamers at the club I go to (probably ages 12-15 I imagine) most are fine to game with.

The only things that annoy me is if they have half an army proxied with anything they can find, or they just dont know how to play at all, but to be fair everyone has to start somewhere.

Lastly and least commonly they have some soft drink and get all hyper then its just hard to play a game while they bounce off the walls.

I know that I've been yelled at a couple of times for leaving a game, as I'm checking my Blood Sugars.

If I have, Hypoglycemia, I'll act quite hyper, which has gotten me yelled at before

Yes but that is an actual reason. Its different that when you walk away because you need to twit or chat with a friend.
I honestly don't even get that chatting during a game. You need to keep concentrating on the game not keep yourself distracted.

I know that in a tournament there were a pair of brand new players who stopped midgame to play something on their mobiles. We had to get staff to tell them to concentrate. They left after that.

Iv seen kids running around inside at a tournie playing tag and crawling under tables before. They were probably about 13.

That was scary, too many fragile things about lol.

Part of the reason from my expirince is not hate so much as adults want to game with adults. People they have something in common with. I have no problem with playing games with "children" i.e. anyone still at school, but sometimes I want to play against adults who I can relate to. You won't often find groups of under 18's with someone in there 30's outside of wargaming, yet you will often find groups of people with people in there 20's and in there 60's.

There are many reasons for this, non of which are to do with hate.

The hate, IMO comes from a combination of some "kids" who cannot act in a polite way taring everyone and some "adults" (normaly in there early 20's from my expirince) who don't want to intereact with children at all. The "I'm oh so cool and oh so adult" types.

Most of the time I have no problem with under 18's who act in a way appropriate for the situation.

Equaly I worry about children who are calm and polite at all times. There is only so much time in your life you can get hyped up on cola and sweets and go crazy without being arrested, just as there is only a limited time you drink all weekend. Enjoy it, just at the right time and right place!

Nobody needs to be polite all the time. You are truly polite when you know when it is the time to be polite. When i am around my normal friends. I don't act super polite its just that you should know when to be polite and when not.

Piston Honda wrote:

Worse when someone takes their magic deck and chucks it right in your face.

Just means that another deck of cards went into the bin here.
Either that or I just scored some BBQ kindling.
In the local store where magic players are actually welcomed (we don't truck with those card gamers in my club) - that gets you banned from the store and you lose your deck of cards. Owner has a zero tolerance policy.

I just hate kids but then where I live the tendency is for the "kids" we're talking about to already have kids of their own, fast-tracked to worthlessness.

I've never played 40K against someone I don't know, but I'll have to some day and I doubt I'll ever choose to play a kid aged 12 - 18. I know how much this hobby costs and if I was looking at a 2000 point army of fresh-clipped Grey Knights being controlled by Mr. G.C.S.E. mock exam I'd be really, really annoyed and the likelihood, in my mind, is that he'd be a spoiled brat.

I've earned my armies with uni loans.

P.S. And a lot of them don't understand that episodes 1-3 of Star Wars don't represent Star Wars in any way whatsoever. And they're ruining music systematically with all this effing X Factor. And they ruin Call of Duty. And Pokemon cards used to be awesome but now they're just a sad reminder of what used to be good and pure in the world.

When it comes to kids I will only play people who seem interested (too many times of playing TFG kids at a GW hence why I go to a LGS).

I will be coming back to this thread it will be interesting to see what people say though...

I think it's because you play Tau



Srs











(Not srs)

If you are a younger gamer and want to be treated like everyone else, paint your armies. Although I was (and still am) rubbish at the game, first tournament I went to, I showed up with this:



I won best painted army, but I needed a TON of help with the rules and non of my opponents got mad with me or anything.

I don't mind playing against younger gamers who genuinely seem interested with the game. The problem is that kids today simply don't have the patience to sit down and put in the long amount of time this hobby requires. So when they show up at the GW to be babysat with thier unpainted armies and thier ADHD behavior it just makes me not want to play them.

Now don't get me wrong, I have played against many young players and had a hell of a time. They were interested in the hobby as a whole and while thier painting wasn't that great and they didn't know the rules that well, you could tell they were giving it thier best and Warhammer wasn't just the new shiney thier parents thrust at them in order to get them to shut up for five minutes.

It's mostly because I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids. That, and you won't stay off my lawn.

I actually have nothing against kids, and tend to be more patient with them than with adults (comes with having my own, I guess). And I do expect kids to pick up the social cues, just like the adults. I have no problem correcting the behavior of any vertabrate (I don't try to train insects or mollusks), and I do notice that teenage boys are exceptionally prone to taking that personally (all teenage boys, and that's not something new).

TL;DR - Don't sweat it. You're probably sensitive to the way that older guys who are likely not socially adept are talking to you. Mostly they don't mean to be rude, but some of the older guys are not any better at social interaction than when they were your age.

Hating on kids is not nice, but the general lack of desire to spend time with younger gamers shouldn't be hard to understand. Myself and my other 30-something gaming friends don't play the big 3, so we don't have much contact with kid gamers, but there are 2 main things that would make us wary of younger gamers.

1) Adults wanting to play with adults. Whether it's the maturity level, language, desire to imbibe alcohoic beverages or general approach to the game, lots of vets don't always want to game with kids.

2) Unpainted armies. This is a personal thing, but my friends and I don't play with unpainted armies. Period. We wouldn't even be tempted to make exceptions for partially painted armies since so many of the kids we see haven't got a single painted figure.

In the end though, I'm not sure what the real issue here is. There's so many kids in the hobby anyway. Let the kids play with the kids for a while until they have worked out some of of their teen/pre-teen angst and immaturities, and found out whether they're serious about the hobby. Older players should take some interest in helping kids down this path and encouraging them in the hobby, but there's not much wrong with letting kids, be kids, with other kids.

I find it's quite often those in their late teens to 20s (say 18-28) who seem to hav ethe most problems with 'kids' (the 16s and under). Personally I've never had an unpleasant experience on the fairly rare occasions I've played anyone under 16, though I have noticed a tendency for the few players in that category i have faced to be somewhat elastic with their movement measuring. I have, however encountered much more blatant rules-bending/cheating from fully grown men in their 40s/50s. On the whole I've found the younger gamers locally to be polite and attentive to the game, again it's more some of the 20-year olds who seem to get distracted by their phones or conversations (though most of the 20-30 year olds are fine). Basically I find few opponents annoying but kids certainly no worse than others.

In my area they are hated for a good reason:

very immature, never bother to learn rules/look in their codex, act as if they can take anyone on and constantly ask stupid questions/dont shut the feth up/make stupid noises. I am obliged to tolerate them but damn are they annoying

admiral9 wrote:I have noticed that there is a certain hate for the young hobbyists not a huge one but it does exist.
So i want to know why?
An example. I am 15 years old, i play tau its my first army. My painting is gakky and my gaming skills are less then descent.
But when i play i am always polite. I admire the paint jobs of the guys in my FLGS and never go whine about cheese.
So i was wondering why the hate.

Because hate leads to the darkside, which leads to infinate power.

Embrace the hate, let it flow....