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maybe you should ask for a raise in your allowance. GW prices its stuff how they want. its thier IP and they can sell it for whatever they think they can get for it. if you dont like it, dont buy it. but complaining on the internet won't help you.

if you have friends who play chaos, try going halfers on the dex and sharing. if you play at the local store, see if the store sales peoples might let you make use of the store open copy if one exists.

good luck

 Byte wrote:
Want it, buy it, play it. Repeat.

Welcome to hobbies in general .

Fixed that for you...

I could be wrong, but I feel like this thread might be starting to become a wee bit hostile... :(

have you scoured craigslist? I found 7 unopened boxes of GW material for 150 bucks. 2 dreads, 1 land speeder, 2 packs of termies, 1 tac squad, 1 veteren squad.

150 bucks. good deal if you ask me. all unopened.

 Crystal Geyser wrote:
I could be wrong, but I feel like this thread might be starting to become a wee bit hostile... :(

I noticed that too.

$50 for a rulebook is pretty steep. I think people have pretty much covered the options... go with an online retailer to save $10 or so once they start selling the codices, wait awhile for someone to sell a used copy (although with a brand new codex I can't imagine that there will be many available any time soon), or figure out a way to share a copy with someone. I'll probably be going with the first option myself. I had thought about swinging by a GW store to look through the preview copy and preorder from there, but I guess they aren't doing that anymore so, meh, Neal can get my money and I'll save $10 and a bit of gas.

For everyone saying that it's an expensive hobby deal with it...well you just sound a little like an ass pretending to be a horse. I don't mean to offend but just because someone tells you to pay this or that for something doesn't mean you have to pay said price.

The issue is content and that content is relative.

A new player to 40k will not mind the $207 price tag of a rule book and codex (aussie prices) because he gets tons for his money. New game, new story, stats and strats, modeling pics, missions, you name it he is getting it. And i think that $200 odd is a great deal for what your getting, hell thats almost what i paid when i started, for the rulebook codex and bits to get into the 40k universe and i wouldn't trade it for the world.

However, being that i already have a rule book and a codex and i know how to play, all i need are errata for my codex and rule book. Honestly now, how much new content do you think there is between 5th and 6th ed? Because i'm betting that if you put all the new rules and all the rule changes together...at best...you would be looking at 20 double sided A4 pages (being generous) And the codex really just needs a few A4 spreadsheet style scans with new unit prices, stats and bare bones stuff like that which we actually need. All that is not worth $207 not by a long shot.

I would be much happier to continue using my old rule book and my old codex and buy supplements to use with them to update them as changes are made. I reckon $30 for a small rules supplement and $15-30 for a codex supplement which i can use in conjunction with my big hard cover rule book and Codex seems fair. Asking me to spend $207 on exactly the same thing is not. Unfortunately the supplements don't exist, so i'm afraid i may have to be less then honorable and moral should i need the new rules and codex.

"an ass that goes on a long journey does not come back as a horse." - Be a smart consumer, buy what you need not what they tell you.

You just discribed my main issue with the prices, thank you sir.

I don't mind paying a little, notice I said little more for their models because it's a hobby and thats what they spend the bulk of their time on. The rules though they tweak hear and their and rehash everything else.

If you want to make me buy models then you need to make sure I have a reason to buy them. That means making it desirable and easy to buy all the codex's and white dwarf. I can't really be excited to buy other models from other armies if I don't have a reason to drool over them because your codex's and white dwarf are to high priced. I'll end up just buying the stuff I need and nothing else. Sure you'll make a little money but not as much as you could have.

I can get a years sub for almost any mag for $15.00. Is it really that expensive in Europe to print mags?

My problem with GW prices is the fact that their products are made in China now.

A box of Space Marines should be $5 now. A tank should be $8.

But all those "shut up and pay" people will cause GWs prices to climb ever higher.

That's fine though. Once GW prices the masses out of the market, all those people who blow money on GW, won't have anyone to play with.

Then they'll have to give people armies just to have an excuse to go to the FLGS.

Except all those people that already have armies and really stopped purchasing from GW years ago will continue to play.

The amount of money you usually invest in GW products tends to get less nowadays, at least in my case. With their ridiculous prices, I only stick to 1 army whereas I used to have 3 (Necrons and 2 WHFB). And all since the re-release of Necrons, I only bought a Royal Court box (15€), 2 AB (40€) and 2 boxes of Immortals (40€) along with the shiny templates (6.50€, shared with a friend of mine). Oh, and the codex ofc (26€).

That's 127,50€ spread over...how many months? 9?

The next planned purchase might be a GK termi squad...maybe Crowe with some purificators to add more dakka.

That's mainly due to me still having had so much stuff from a few years ago. Destroyers, Warriors, MORE WARRIORS etc.

Plus I convert a lot. Heavy Destroyer kit? Screw that, build your own Heavy Gauss cannon with sprue and a normal Gauss Cannon. Gauss Immortals? Sure, my Warriors will just carry those weapons. Here, take these plasticard armor platings too.

So...GW's really hurting themselves. I'd love to pick up another army but only if

a) WHFB 9th gets released and retcons the 8th trash

b) they reduce their prices to a normal level

I remember when the codexes still costed 12 pounds each...

Dragonzord wrote:
even as a non-chaos player, im incredibly surprised that you guys think $50 is far too expensive (more so if you're in the hobby already)

The codex looks bloody great, colour, hard cover, quality...

I paid $124 for the rulebook down here in AU, and i thought 'holy jesus thats expensive', but i can really see the quality of it after a while, and can even say that it's worth the $124...

I don't have a problem with color, quality and such. I just don't need color to tell me the options and points costs. I just want the rules.

I don't need full page color images of space marines. I don't need to read up on the HH for the umpteenth time. I don't need a bunch of pages showcasing models I can see in 360 view online.

I want rules dang it! All, like what, 10 pages of actual useful info.

GW should offer a pocket codex.

A pamphlet that contains the reference section, army list, weapon entries, and special rules for that army. Basically the codex minus all the fluff.

I'd pay $20 for that.


It would be a useful gaming aid and if somone just couldn't afford a $50 codex they could at least afford the rules for their army.

 DeffDred wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:
even as a non-chaos player, im incredibly surprised that you guys think $50 is far too expensive (more so if you're in the hobby already)

The codex looks bloody great, colour, hard cover, quality...

I paid $124 for the rulebook down here in AU, and i thought 'holy jesus thats expensive', but i can really see the quality of it after a while, and can even say that it's worth the $124...

I don't have a problem with color, quality and such. I just don't need color to tell me the options and points costs. I just want the rules.

I don't need full page color images of space marines. I don't need to read up on the HH for the umpteenth time. I don't need a bunch of pages showcasing models I can see in 360 view online.

I want rules dang it! All, like what, 10 pages of actual useful info.

the funny thing is that if they made the 50$ and just rules for lets say 25$ they would still sell both .

Makumba wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:
even as a non-chaos player, im incredibly surprised that you guys think $50 is far too expensive (more so if you're in the hobby already)

The codex looks bloody great, colour, hard cover, quality...

I paid $124 for the rulebook down here in AU, and i thought 'holy jesus thats expensive', but i can really see the quality of it after a while, and can even say that it's worth the $124...

I don't have a problem with color, quality and such. I just don't need color to tell me the options and points costs. I just want the rules.

I don't need full page color images of space marines. I don't need to read up on the HH for the umpteenth time. I don't need a bunch of pages showcasing models I can see in 360 view online.

I want rules dang it! All, like what, 10 pages of actual useful info.

the funny thing is that if they made the 50$ and just rules for lets say 25$ they would still sell both .

I'd have no problem with that.

I'd actually buy both. Keep my nice shiny fluff codex at home and have the cheap pamphlet for actual gaming reference.

I got lucky and ran into an old Daemon hunters army for about 100 bucks. Was about 2500 points, a solid 600 points worth of grey knights (by the new codex). Kept the knights and traded/sold the guard that came with it to fund the rest of my GK army and some older Necron models. Not something I see happen often but you can get lucky. In my experience you can't easily find used new models on the cheap. Had to buy my dreadknight and new necron vehicles. Thank the emperor for discount sites.

The new trend on codices bugs me a bit, but doesn't seem exclusive to gw. Wizards (of the coast) has been doing it with books for years. Recently released a commemorative edition of the 3.5 core books. I was temped to buy them and get some old gaming buddies together for a night, but 50 bucks a pop turned me off to it. At least, for now..

Oh no, you have to pay $50 for it?

Cry me a river. It's $83 here, and our dollar is worth more than yours.

 Kaldor wrote:
Oh no, you have to pay $50 for it?

Cry me a river. It's $83 here, and our dollar is worth more than yours.

Yeah, by what, $.037 per dollar?

The simple fact of the matter is that it is an inconvenient increase in price for everyone. True, Australia, New Zealand, and a few others get screwed over moreso than the rest of us but I think that most of can agree that these codices are not worth the money GW is demanding for them.

And if the US was getting screwed over like you guys, I would have stopped expanding/updating my armies, my wallet can only take so much.

 Grey Templar wrote:
GW should offer a pocket codex.

A pamphlet that contains the reference section, army list, weapon entries, and special rules for that army. Basically the codex minus all the fluff.

I'd pay $20 for that.


It would be a useful gaming aid and if somone just couldn't afford a $50 codex they could at least afford the rules for their army.

...and most people would buy the pocket codex, GW makes a lot less money => not gonna happen.

GW experimented with pamphlet codices in 3rd. People didn't like them, so they switched to thicker codices with fluff again.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
GW should offer a pocket codex.

A pamphlet that contains the reference section, army list, weapon entries, and special rules for that army. Basically the codex minus all the fluff.

I'd pay $20 for that.


It would be a useful gaming aid and if somone just couldn't afford a $50 codex they could at least afford the rules for their army.

...and most people would buy the pocket codex, GW makes a lot less money => not gonna happen.

See i don't think thats the case. Personally i think it would even out. looking from my point in the hobby, i have all the big shiny 5th ed stuff, and it's in mint condition so a new upgrade to rules and codex is not somethign i would consider hence i would get the pamphlet option. However my 3rd ed codex is just about fallen apart, so if i only had the big 3rd ed rules and codex (because i would get by without them as i will with my current 5th ed) then i would totally be into buying a new rule book and a new codex as mine would be already very old, well used and...simply the march of time would warrant a nice new book so even for a veteran player a new book is in the cards and not just a pamphlet. Going back to reality, thats not my situation right now, so i lament the fact that there isn't a cheaper suppliment option as it would be perfect for me right now, but once 7th or 8th comes along, i would like to get a whole new set of books.

This might not apply to everyone but i think that if they had a cheap and a expensive option, they would still have strong sales in both aspects.

 Harriticus wrote:
Noticed the "Art of Halo" in the bookstore the other day. 200 pages, hardcover, and in full color with highly detailed pages. Was $20.....

I can find books that were published in 2004 for cheaps as well, does that mean every publisher who wants to charge me £8 for a brand-new paperback is ripping me off?

Get a grip chaps, the new Codex is a bit on the pricey side for what you get, but it's hardly "outrageous", and it's definitely not unprecedented.

It really isn't that expensive when you figure what you are getting for it. A hardback, full color publication for a niche market for 40 dollars (yes, 40. It's pretty darn easy to get that 20 percent off at any authorized retailer) is hardly wallet-busting. That codex is going to last you... what, 5 years? More? Considering I put more money than that into my truck's gas tank weekly, that's not a bad price for a book that will last me a number of years.

Aussies and NZ residents are the only ones with justification to be pissed about the price. For whatever reason GW seems determined to cut off those regions from playing 40k. But those of us in the UK and the US need to quit whining... seriously.

This forum seems to have become nothing but a soapbox for all the people who suddenly have a problem with 40k and GW in general. Yeah, prices are high. Yeah, GW could stop raising them on us and we'd be a lot happier. But people need to learn when to let go. If you aren't happy with the game any more, sell your stuff or put it away, and walk away from it. The negativity that permeates this forum is sickening. Offer solutions, not just more whining.

An example of a solution: Maybe GW could print a pamphlet version of the codex for cheaper.

An example of whining: Why do we have to pay so much? GW, you suck! GW has gone down the drain.... yada yada yada.

To sum up...

If you want it now, hunt around the online retailers. You will probably find one who does a small discount of about $5-$10.

If you're prepared to wait, give it a couple of months and then go hunting on ebay.

Despite what some people are saying on this thread, It is possible to do the GW hobby for cheaper and you don't need that much patience, just a bit of creativity.

I like the fact it is hard back, I didnt know that until I just read this thread.


About doing the hobby cheaper, I have just started out and have spent around 2k and have around 8k points of marines, mix of second hand NOS and brand new items

Despite what some people are saying on this thread, It is possible to do the GW hobby for cheaper and you don't need that much patience, just a bit of creativity.

could you be more precise how ?

Makumba wrote:

Despite what some people are saying on this thread, It is possible to do the GW hobby for cheaper and you don't need that much patience, just a bit of creativity.

could you be more precise how ?

Army collecting - There's a guy in P&M who has put together a 2000pt Imperial Fist army for less than £150. He bought all the models on ebay, stripped any existing paint jobs and simply repainted the miniatures. It looks amazing.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/338372.page

Terrain - There are some great online articles for making terrain that is visually stunning, yet doesn't cost the earth. Check the link in my signature for an example.

Battlefield - Anyone who forks out £120 for the Realm of Battles gaming board is a loon. You can make a decent battlefield for £20 using MDF.

Rulebooks - You can always pick these up for cheaper via ebay about two-six months from release. However, I accept that unless they are quite old, it's difficult to get anything more than a 10-20% discount.

But that is for someone who is already long in the hobby , it helps little people who are starting , specialy if they are under 18 and without an access to credit cards.

I've come to accept that if you play a game made by GW, you need to be prepared for fluctuating, and rather high, prices. If you can't handle that, this just isn't the hobby for you. It's not going to change. Unless you make eBay your number one source of buying (which, even then, prices aren't the best), you're going to have to spend money to get the new shinies.


It's unfortunate, but it's just the way it is. No sense complaining about it.