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When people say "not evil" in 40k, they mean "less evil then everybody else". There are no not evil factions in 40k. Just ones that are less evil then others.

Back on-topic, I would either use the vanilla marine dex and just paint them like iron warriors if you really don't want to have any mutation. Otherwise, use the chaos dex with lots of vindicators, oblits, havocs, and maby some guard allies for a bassalisk or two.

 Necrontyr40k wrote:

Why are people obsessed with having diet coke evil? Just play SW and BA! They are partly evil.

Yeah, there are books talking about IW and their use of demons, but that's the thing about 40k - it is so big that there is plenty of room of everyone to have their own interpretation. Canonization of somebody's version is kind of silly, especially taking into account that GW contradicts itself all the time, almost certainly on purpose at that.

Also, I would not call invading, pillaging, and subjugating worlds for your own profit "diet coke evil".

I love arguments about who is eviller than another. You draw me like a moth to the flame.

About your comment that IW have different interpretations... yes you are correct. However there are certain things that are such a part of their identity, they can't be ignored. It is not a matter of interpretation that Perturabo turned into a daemon prince, and that they reside in the eye of terror, for instance. Since daemon engines have long been part of the fluff, and IW daemon engines is a huge part of the new fluff in the codex, you have some arguing to do to convince people the IW shouldn't use daemon engines. Besides, daemon engines in particular are a case of marines subjugating warp entities to their own ends, not being slaves to them but rather making slaves of them.

And yes, I would compare pillaging and invading diet coke evil in the world of 40k. You even pointed out yourself that BA and SW are evil, and yes I would agree with that too, yet they have some redeeming value that their evil is used ultimately to stem the tide of the galaxy being overrun by the warp....

The diet coke evil of not being in servitude to any dark power, and being your own boss just pillaging and invading, is more what I would consider space marine renegades to be. And nobody can benefit from chaos without ultimately serving the dark powers, it is the same for the IW as for Abaddon, they serve the cause of the dark gods, and though they may believe they will gain a mortal kingdom from it and the only true triumph of mankind (I believe the phrase is, 'deal with the devil') they are ultimately serving the dark gods, whose aim is only to spill the warp into the material plane and create a reality of eternal suffering.

Pillaging and invading means suffering on a short time scale and relatively quick and painless. With chaos, the suffering does not end with your death, it is all about eternal servitude and your soul in agony for all time and before time.

 Necrontyr40k wrote:
No point to cut free from one evil (the blood emperor and his oppressive imperium) and go lick the boot of another (chaos gods).

Actually, uh, there is a really big difference between devoting your life to the Emperor and devoting your life to a Chaos God: the latter will give you immortality and infinite power, while the former will give you a nice funeral.

Yeah, there are books talking about IW and their use of demons, but that's the thing about 40k - it is so big that there is plenty of room of everyone to have their own interpretation. Canonization of somebody's version is kind of silly, especially taking into account that GW contradicts itself all the time, almost certainly on purpose at that.

GW contradicts itself on the details, and that's by design; like you said, it makes everyone's vision of 40k valid. However, there are shades of grey, and 40k does have facts. It is a fact that Perturabo sacrificed 400 Imperial Fists in order to ascend to daemonhood. You can build Iron Warriors that hate daemons, but since it contradicts a few established facts, you would need to distance yourself from those facts. They become less Iron Warriors, and more your own fluff. Factions are perfectly legitimate, but they wouldn't be part of the Legion proper.

 DarkHound wrote:
It is a fact that Perturabo sacrificed 400 Imperial Fists in order to ascend to daemonhood. You can build Iron Warriors that hate daemons, but since it contradicts a few established facts, you would need to distance yourself from those facts. They become less Iron Warriors, and more your own fluff. Factions are perfectly legitimate, but they wouldn't be part of the Legion proper.

I do not question the factuality of Perturabo's daemonhood. But, the whole point of renegades is that they are selfish individualists. Just because Perturabo made those choices does not limit the Legion itself, particularly as it does not exist in pre-heresy chain of command, but instead it is a loose confederation of warlords running their own pocket empires, on occasion warring with one another over turf. Thus, it does not seem to me a stretch to view my own faction as one particularly opposed to mutations, possession, etc.

In the end, the "official fluff" seems to indicate that the IW revere Perturabo as their primarch and for freeing them from the yoke of serving the Emperor, but there is no indication that all IW aspire to become daemons. On the contrary, the fluff keeps repeating that as their gene-seed is warp-contaminated, they tend to get deformations in the limbs, which they promptly replace with bionics. If they welcomed chaos and its gifts, why would they get rid of its gifts?

Regarding the army composition, I will try out my termi-raider-defiler combo and see how it works. I think it will be difficult to make it particularly competitive, but will likely be lots of fun for casual play. I will use the plaguer template as it very conveniently emulates IW with lots of bionics. I will convert some custom obliterators into bionics-gone-wild for spawnage.

 DarkHound wrote:
40k does have facts. It is a fact that Perturabo sacrificed 400 Imperial Fists in order to ascend to daemonhood. You can build Iron Warriors that hate daemons, but since it contradicts a few established facts, you would need to distance yourself from those facts. They become less Iron Warriors, and more your own fluff. Factions are perfectly legitimate, but they wouldn't be part of the Legion proper.

Elevating a human to DP status is not the same as Daemons.
Humans are inheretly mortal, but DP(or at least the kind that were once humans) are still human, they are just now immortal or practically so. Having an army of humans, genetically engineered super humans and a daemon prince(like perturabo) is still an all human all mutation free list. Elevatiting him to DP makes him imortal and increases his power but unless he has wings he hasnt nessisarrily mutated. Daemon engines, possessed, obliterators(as I understand them) are the addition of a daemon(non human) soul to equipment or a human. These units are decidedly different are they are no longer 100% human in origin.