macc92 wrote:
Having just played them my Stormraven and Talon both fear the hive crones S8 vector strike, it ended up desroying them both and a drop pod

 Eldarain wrote:

 macc92 wrote:
Having just played them my Stormraven and Talon both fear the hive crones S8 vector strike, it ended up desroying them both and a drop pod

That's an impressive feat. How did the Nid player mitigate it's Ork Biker resilience long enough to kill so much?

Mulletdude wrote:

Galanur wrote:
btw old one eye gets a bit cheesy with hammer of wrath, his berserk rage only dont apply to his tail, they didn´t mentioned about his hammer wraths so you can actually double the amount of wounds you take from his D3



Actually, it's addressed in his rule just fine. Because the HoW doesn't roll to hit, you can't succeed and get another roll out of it.



HoW says it makes an additional attack that hits automatically at the model´s unmodified S with an Ap-
Living battering ram says the model with this rule makes D3 HoW instead of 1
The berserk rampage says on every sucessfull to hit roll that old one eye makes in close combat(excluding those from his thresher scythe), it may immediately make one additional attack against the same unit, these additional attacks do not confer extra attacks. the rule mention the tail can´t benefit, nothing says about HoW, and HoW despite being auto hit, its still a sucessfull hit sooo

Fragile wrote:

Mulletdude wrote:

Galanur wrote:
btw old one eye gets a bit cheesy with hammer of wrath, his berserk rage only dont apply to his tail, they didn´t mentioned about his hammer wraths so you can actually double the amount of wounds you take from his D3



Actually, it's addressed in his rule just fine. Because the HoW doesn't roll to hit, you can't succeed and get another roll out of it.



HoW says it makes an additional attack that hits automatically at the model´s unmodified S with an Ap-
Living battering ram says the model with this rule makes D3 HoW instead of 1
The berserk rampage says on every sucessfull to hit roll that old one eye makes in close combat(excluding those from his thresher scythe), it may immediately make one additional attack against the same unit, these additional attacks do not confer extra attacks. the rule mention the tail can´t benefit, nothing says about HoW, and HoW despite being auto hit, its still a sucessfull hit sooo

It is not successful, because you did not roll.

Galanur wrote:
He could get regen for that beast though, since some things but not many will hit him, perhaps he could mitigate 1 wound or 2 during the game if hes not massively aimed at


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Fragile wrote:

Mulletdude wrote:

Galanur wrote:
btw old one eye gets a bit cheesy with hammer of wrath, his berserk rage only dont apply to his tail, they didn´t mentioned about his hammer wraths so you can actually double the amount of wounds you take from his D3



Actually, it's addressed in his rule just fine. Because the HoW doesn't roll to hit, you can't succeed and get another roll out of it.



HoW says it makes an additional attack that hits automatically at the model´s unmodified S with an Ap-
Living battering ram says the model with this rule makes D3 HoW instead of 1
The berserk rampage says on every sucessfull to hit roll that old one eye makes in close combat(excluding those from his thresher scythe), it may immediately make one additional attack against the same unit, these additional attacks do not confer extra attacks. the rule mention the tail can´t benefit, nothing says about HoW, and HoW despite being auto hit, its still a sucessfull hit sooo

It is not successful, because you did not roll.

how an attack that automatically hits doesn´t count as a sucessfull roll to hit?

 xttz wrote:
There are a few nice tricks in the new book, but nothing universally powerful like Serpents, Heldrakes or even DoM.

My main concern is that our best options revolve around cover save buffs from Venomthropes or the Lictor / GtG / Synapse trick. Both Tau and Eldar - which are already strong codexes to begin with - have a built-in hard counter to these thanks to Markerlights and Wave Serpents.

 streamdragon wrote:

Galanur wrote:
It really depends on what you consider spawming, tervigons despite being more expensive you can still spawm em, sure you will get 1 less tervigon that you use to, but now that for em to become troops you get a 30 sized horde of gaunts which is pain enough and not giving such each kills as 10 man minimum size.

Another unit that got better was the hive guard, no longer synapse depending to get ignore line of sight and ignore cover rules, now its really watever with those impaler cannons since the weapon removed that weakness so you will see them quite often.

You might also see zoanthropes for a number of reasons but mainly 1 of them few with choices to roll on the table to get catalysm and other powers on 50pt model, also the brood just test once for their powers to cast it multiple times. (bigger synapse bubble, bigger catalsym bubble to pick on a wider choice of targets to benefit from fnp so on)

Venomthrope will also been seen alot times to counter the lack of exposure tyranids have, now getting +2 to the cover save and them attacking at I6 with the lashwhips seems really nasty.

and of course, every 1 loves flyers so haywire missiles from the hive crone will be likely to be seen outhere, mostly as a hunting couple party (2 crones at least)

those are probably the gold jewel of the tyranids out here along with the mawlock

We may also see exocrine as "plasma shooting source" mainly for the big blast plasma shoot with no get hot and their enhance bs if he stays still

Re: Tervigons. With them no longer passing AG/TS on to Termagants, terms took a massive hit. Getting both of those biomorphs doubles the cost of a termagant. The "destroy what I spawned" radius also doubled.

Re: Hive Guard. They may not be AS dependent on Synapse, but their cost went UP and their BS went DOWN.

Re: Zoanthropes. They actually get to use LESS powers than the previous version. They previously were all ML1, so each could use a psychic power. Now, they are ML2 as a brood. Warp Blast is WC2, so your brood of 3 Zoanthropes can use EITHER Warp Blast (for both of their WC), OR their other power (leaving them with 1WC, which isn't enough for Warp Blast). I would call that a nerf.

Re: Venomthropes. Yes, you will probably see these. For about a turn. And "really nasty" in CC? They get 2 WS3 attacks, which are nice at Poisoned(2+), but still 2 WS3 attacks. Oooh, once per game I can pop toxic miasma at I1 (assuming the Venomthrope survived that long) for a S3 AP- hit. Wooooooo. *finger twirl*

Re: Crone. It is straight up awful. It's main weapon can't be used against other flyers. It's 4 Tentaclids are One Use Only, and with BS3 you're likely to miss with 2 of them. So that's 2 HPs you might strip off a flyer, assuming your T5 4+ armor flyer doesn't get shot to death first. Quad guns are twin linked, wound on 2s and ignore your armor save. So it has S8 vector strike, BFD. With the way flyers and swooping FMCs move, it is insanely easy to keep your flyers away from a Crone.

So your "Crown Jewels"? Looks like they're made of Cubic Zirconium.

Nomnomifex wrote:
How exactly are zoanthropes nerfed? All that has changed is that they now act as a brotherhood of psykers, so they roll once for their power and the enemy denies once. Warp lance then gets as many shots as there are zoanthropes in the brood, so you aren't 'losing' any powers, you just aren't required to roll 3 psychic tests to use 3 warp lances (or 2 and 2). In addition to them being able to take another power from the nids table for added utility, the fact that they are synapse AND went down by 10 pts each means they got significantly buffed.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

Nomnomifex wrote:
How exactly are zoanthropes nerfed? All that has changed is that they now act as a brotherhood of psykers, so they roll once for their power and the enemy denies once. Warp lance then gets as many shots as there are zoanthropes in the brood, so you aren't 'losing' any powers, you just aren't required to roll 3 psychic tests to use 3 warp lances (or 2 and 2). In addition to them being able to take another power from the nids table for added utility, the fact that they are synapse AND went down by 10 pts each means they got significantly buffed.

A trio of Zoanthropes:
- Only has access to lacklustre codex discipline
- generates 2 powers instead of 6
- has 1 less warp charge to work with
- cannot de/buff a unit and still fire Warp Blast
- can lose an entire shooting phase to 1 deny the witch or failed psychic test
- No longer has access to Mycetic Spores

Plus they were Synapse in the previous book as well, so the only thing they gained is a slight points reduction, while they lost so much versatility.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
It's starting to look like this will become Codex: Flying Monstrous Creatures but only time will tell.

 Niiai wrote:
The broken lists will consist of:

2 Flyrants, same as before.

A mix of 3 harpies and/or crones

All of the flyers starting on the board close to some venomtropes, preferably hidden in the terain.

3 Mawlocks.

Whatever troops and synapse you can scrape together. Perhaps outflanking 5 man squads of genestealers going to ground on objectives.

Other units we will see that we sometimes saw during 5th edition codex:

Zoantropes (who got better (1 exstra power) and cheaper) Dakka carnifeses. Perhaps also carnifexes with adrenaline glads in an MSU like list.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I've seen a lot of posts in the Tyranid threads about how it is too early to judge the new book (a fairly reasonable assessment as the book has been unreleased through most of the backlash)

A reminder that the best codexes of 6th had similar doomsaying and general internet doom and gloom reactions in the run up to their release has been noted quite frequently as well. For those on that side of the fence what do you see as being the "Diamond in the rough" as it were? This should be the easiest codex to decipher as there is no added cross codex synergies to consider from the complete lack of allies/dataslates/expanded FoC options.

So what will be making people eat their words in the coming weeks/months?

I want to point out, again, that there was no doomsaying anywhere near this magnitude when Tau and Eldar dropped. Both had mostly good buzz in the run-up to the full codex leaking, and people knew units like Riptides and Wave Serpents were going to be good once the actual rules were out (they might not have known exactly how good, but they at least knew these units weren't bad). Virtually nobody was out there saying Tau or Eldar were nerfed, weak, a step down, or anything but stronger than the older dexes. There were complaints about individual units for sure (everyone knew Howling Banshees were screwed right from the start) but the consensus was that both dexes were going to be fairly strong.

This revisionist history is driving me crazy.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
The broken lists will consist of:

2 Flyrants, same as before.

A mix of 3 harpies and/or crones

All of the flyers starting on the board close to some venomtropes, preferably hidden in the terain.

3 Mawlocks.

Whatever troops and synapse you can scrape together. Perhaps outflanking 5 man squads of genestealers going to ground on objectives.

Other units we will see that we sometimes saw during 5th edition codex:

Zoantropes (who got better (1 exstra power) and cheaper) Dakka carnifeses. Perhaps also carnifexes with adrenaline glads in an MSU like list.

We just worked out our first list. Really, there's plenty to choose from, actually the new codex has shaken things up in an interesting way, in the direction we want to go.

We only ran one flyrant before, we got given a body so now run a second one, we will have a lot more flyers on the board and it will make a refreshing change from the doom and ymgarls. Previously the dakkafexes and doom landed in our enemy's face'; now it will be gargoyles, two crones, two flyrants, and a mawloc. Our trygon will undergo surgery today, and emerge a new girl. We have to find the £££ for 2 biovores, and then convert them to look half decent (can't proxy in the upcoming local GW tournament), which is a pain, but we fancied trying them anyway.

 Mantle wrote:


I love kit bashing etc but I think with just the hive/tyrant guard kit and some 40mm bases it would be pretty easy to convert some nice looking biovores. That's my plan anyway

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I've seen a lot of posts in the Tyranid threads about how it is too early to judge the new book (a fairly reasonable assessment as the book has been unreleased through most of the backlash)

A reminder that the best codexes of 6th had similar doomsaying and general internet doom and gloom reactions in the run up to their release has been noted quite frequently as well. For those on that side of the fence what do you see as being the "Diamond in the rough" as it were? This should be the easiest codex to decipher as there is no added cross codex synergies to consider from the complete lack of allies/dataslates/expanded FoC options.

So what will be making people eat their words in the coming weeks/months?

I want to point out, again, that there was no doomsaying anywhere near this magnitude when Tau and Eldar dropped. Both had mostly good buzz in the run-up to the full codex leaking, and people knew units like Riptides and Wave Serpents were going to be good once the actual rules were out (they might not have known exactly how good, but they at least knew these units weren't bad). Virtually nobody was out there saying Tau or Eldar were nerfed, weak, a step down, or anything but stronger than the older dexes. There were complaints about individual units for sure (everyone knew Howling Banshees were screwed right from the start) but the consensus was that both dexes were going to be fairly strong.

This revisionist history is driving me crazy.

How many people were complaining about "Codex: Markerlights", the loss of Multi-Trackers and how everything was ruined because Railguns on Broadsides weren't S10 anymore? Hardly "revisionist", at least not in the case of Tau.

Galanur wrote:
alright, fair enough, well tryed to pic bit cheesy but ohh well...

Zookie wrote:
I think crones will be a big deal this edition. They are cheap, can chew up light fighters with ease and are surprisingly good at killing skimmers. You just fly over one. vector strike it then use the drool cannon on rear armor. You may not pop it but you have a good chance of glancing it to death.

Fragile wrote:

 xttz wrote:
There are a few nice tricks in the new book, but nothing universally powerful like Serpents, Heldrakes or even DoM.

My main concern is that our best options revolve around cover save buffs from Venomthropes or the Lictor / GtG / Synapse trick. Both Tau and Eldar - which are already strong codexes to begin with - have a built-in hard counter to these thanks to Markerlights and Wave Serpents.

Even without the ignore cover of those weapons, Venoms are only T4, which makes them very easy to wound, even with a 3+ cover save.

Rumbleguts wrote:

Fragile wrote:

 xttz wrote:
There are a few nice tricks in the new book, but nothing universally powerful like Serpents, Heldrakes or even DoM.

My main concern is that our best options revolve around cover save buffs from Venomthropes or the Lictor / GtG / Synapse trick. Both Tau and Eldar - which are already strong codexes to begin with - have a built-in hard counter to these thanks to Markerlights and Wave Serpents.

Even without the ignore cover of those weapons, Venoms are only T4, which makes them very easy to wound, even with a 3+ cover save.

I was really hoping that Venomthropes would become independent characters and be able to leave the brood to join other units. Still, so long as your not facing cover save denying weapons they are still much better then the 5th ed codex version with the 6th edition FAQs.